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Kakashi

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AH! Ok..yeah totally man..the music of the World..yeah...stuff the world stings..should stay there...We need christian music in the church...

Define Christian music. Just for clarification's sake.
 
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Television is evil but yet i watch preaching on it when I get a chance, computers are evil, but yet I can read a Bible on my bible program. internet WWW( the satanic Sign 666) is way evil yet we can witness, study with people all around the world and share Jesus with people that would never come to church, have you ever heard amazing Grace sung with the tune "The house of the rising sun" awesomeeeeee!!!! or Chris Tomblin sing his version of "Amazing Grace my chains are gone" or go to a christian coffee shop now adays and see it full of Teenagers, not strung out on drugs or drinking but reather dancing around Praising their God, yeah the Music is a little hard to tolerate for a 50 year old , but to see young people worshipping God, don't even try to go to a Michael Smith singing. you won't be able to handle seeing thousands of people praising their Jesus, it will make you think that maybe this christian rock ain't so bad after all, they got mad at David cause he danced in the streets , they got mad at Jesus when He came riding in on the Donkey and people were worshipping Him, don't hinder someone elses worship( as long as it don't go against the Word of God) if that ain't the way you like it, just go worship with your crowd, let's Worship Him for He is worthy of all our worship, that includes the younger generation

Ge 24:26And the man bowed down his head, and worshipped the LORD.
Ex 33:8And it came to pass, when Moses went out unto the tabernacle, that all the people rose up, and stood every man at his tent door, and looked after Moses, until he was gone into the tabernacle.
seem like there were different ways to worship in the Bible, some bowed some rose up
 
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Television is evil but yet i watch preaching on it when I get a chance, computers are evil, but yet I can read a Bible on my bible program. internet WWW( the satanic Sign 666) is way evil yet we can witness, study with people all around the world and share Jesus with people that would never come to church, have you ever heard amazing Grace sung with the tune "The house of the rising sun" awesomeeeeee!!!! or Chris Tomblin sing his version of "Amazing Grace my chains are gone" or go to a christian coffee shop now adays and see it full of Teenagers, not strung out on drugs or drinking but reather dancing around Praising their God, yeah the Music is a little hard to tolerate for a 50 year old , but to see young people worshipping God, don't even try to go to a Michael Smith singing. you won't be able to handle seeing thousands of people praising their Jesus, it will make you think that maybe this christian rock ain't so bad after all, they got mad at David cause he danced in the streets , they got mad at Jesus when He came riding in on the Donkey and people were worshipping Him, don't hinder someone elses worship( as long as it don't go against the Word of God) if that ain't the way you like it, just go worship with your crowd, let's Worship Him for He is worthy of all our worship, that includes the younger generation

Ge 24:26And the man bowed down his head, and worshipped the LORD.
Ex 33:8And it came to pass, when Moses went out unto the tabernacle, that all the people rose up, and stood every man at his tent door, and looked after Moses, until he was gone into the tabernacle.
seem like there were different ways to worship in the Bible, some bowed some rose up
sorry posted wrong verse in last post instaed of Ex 33:8 I should have posted
Ex 33:10And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door.


I NEED MORE TIME UNDER THE EDIT MODE, PLEASE!!!!!
 
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:eek: i cant believe it!! but thad i agree with you lol
 

NoahsDad

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Show me from the Scriptures where musicians were used to draw people to church.
hmmmmm............does roaring kitten know how to play music?or BaptistRW?if so then why dont they know the music history?or the theory?or the fact that the origional texts were sang and NOT spoken ?
The origional song Amaizing Grace that most churches are most fond of started out as a barroom song about a singer named Grace,Not Jesus.
Christmas carols were banned in 1647 By Oliver Cromwell Believing that Christmas was supposed to be a solemn mass and no music was allowed,The catholic also alleged the same thing about music as our friends RW and Roaring in the late 1500's ,stating that singing was pagan and wasnt alowed in the masses only pipe organs were holy.(I Hate the pipe organ)none theless they claimed they had scripture to back them aswell.
Once again we see a thread that is contraversial and without proper research inorder to further an unknown agenda I see.
Psa 33:2 Give thanks to Jehovah with the lyre; sing to Him with a harp of ten strings.
Psa 33:3 Sing to Him a new song; play skillfully, with shouts of joy.
2Ch 34:12 And the men were working faithfully in the work. And over them were given the oversight: Jahath and Obadiah, the Levites, of the sons of Merari, and Zechariah, and Meshullam, of the sons of the Kohathites; and of the Levites all who were skilled in musical instruments;
1Ch 13:8 And David and all Israel were playing before God with all their might, and with songs, and with lyres, and with harps, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets. (Daaaang I Bet that sounded alot like rock music ,specially since the locrian mode was based off the scale that david himself created on the 10 string harp,D-A-D-A-G-etc.
Why doesnt theere ever seem to be any Country is satanic threads?
All I ever hear them say is adultry ,fornication,alcohloism,fighting,depression,suicide,All sorts of stuff,one minute its Praise God for the country ,now lets go get drunk and cheat!Or God bless our troops,Then the next breath,he put the bottle to his head and pulled the trigger.
God sais to play skillfully,how skillfully can you play 3 cords and a slide steel guitar?the same scale over and over again,
 

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sorry bout the country music rant
 
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yeah but its true!! lol o wait im on shush mode never mind *whistles her way off stage* :D
 
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Forgiven83

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I find it interesting that there are all these threads on what we're doing WRONG, but nothing about what we can do to fix it.....

You say that we're worshipping God OUR way and not His...so define HIS way....and how is it HIS way and not what YOU percieve to be His way...and how do you know that????

I have not seen any scripture condeming certain ways of worship, or certain instruments or styles of music....when I do perhaps I'll listen. For goodness sake, have a little bit of common sense and spiritual maturity and discern for yourself instead of listening to someone else...if it's got bad content don't listen to it. If it does, then chances are whatever "hidden meanings" you seem to find in absolutely EVERYTHING probably wont apply to you because that's not the way you're taking it! worldly stuff is only bad when we allow it to harm our relationship with God. So check yourself, and stop worrying abotu what everyone else is doing and put some of that energy into your OWN Christian faith instead of trying to beat up everyone elses.
 
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Forgiven83 I agree.....

A Christian teenager doing a rap song to God straight from their heart in total adoration of their Saviour is acceptable worship.

An old lady soprano, beautifully singing a hymn without her heart focused on the Lord ~ is like a person scratching their finger nails down a chalkboard as far as God is concerned.
 
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Couldn't've said it better myself, Missy
 

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We can all have whatever preference we want when it comes to music. Just make sure that it is your conviction and not just your preference. Preference with no conviction is just that, preference. Preference with godly conviction is worship in Spirit and truth. That is the kind of worshipper the Father is seeking (John 4:23). Whatever we are not to love in the world (1John 2:15), we will be convicted of by the Father, because He wants us to have His love resident and active in our heart, our soul and in our mind (Mt 22:37-39). And that same love will be revealed to our neighbor by the Holy Spirit as conviction. Our neighbor needs the conviction of love and not our personality preference when it comes to life and the things of God. Being all things to all men has nothing to do with our preference. It has to do with conviction. Christ can only reveal Himself to man and win man's heart through conviction. It takes wisdom to win lost souls (Prov 11:30). Preference will limit what God can do when there is no conviction to turn the heart of a sinner.
 
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The origional song Amaizing Grace that most churches are most fond of started out as a barroom song about a singer named Grace,Not Jesus.
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umm actually Dad, the song was written by John Newton who was a slave trader and was definitely about Gods Grace in Christ Jesus & where it brought him... maybe did you mean the tune that the song is sung to??

Gotta tell you all, I love music & in fact Noahs dad & I share alot of musical interest as I found out while attending a retro 80's dance party at an undisclosed location with undisclosed cc members... hmmm... hmmm ... nothin evil goin on there just a whole lotta fun! next post will say HAVING FUN LEADS YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL...WARNING WARNING...eieiei dare I disclose the fact that I ride a Harley Davidson motorcycle... DOOOOOWN I GO!!! Good Grief... you ever heard of the boy who called wolf... stop warning us about stuff that doesnt require warning so that if you actually have something valid to warn us about we wont be listening cause well think oh there's that guy going off on a warning tangent again. Now I need to agree that yes, some music is in fact straight from hell, so are some t-shirts... WARNING PRINTED TSHIRTS ARE FROM SATAN... some secular books are straight from hell... WARNING READING BOOKS WILL CAUSE YOU TO GO TO HELL FROM BEING CORRUPTED WITH A WORLDLY VIEW... same thing right?? ok so if its a sin for you all, we'll not promote you listening to music... dont go into Yousing cause you probably dont belong there, they might break into Christian rock n roll & cause you to sin (or hopefully to sing!!!:))... as for the rest of us, If you had a valid warning like Warning pay attention to the lyrics of your secular and christian music, then that would be acceptable. In the meanwhile, I just pray for everyone on here to have the Joy of knowing the Lord and rejoycing and praising him in Song... with drums!!! God Bless! Marcia.
 
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So you're telling us, Mahogony, that you, a bible-believing, Christ-following, Holiness-desiring Christian, have no problem singing along with such tunes as 'Hells Bells" or "Running with the Devil" or any other tune that relays a message of the things or paths that your God opposes?
ahhh, no I don't listen to anything that is obviously satanic, that's rediculous. But then again I did enjoy Stryper from time to time, such as "to hell with the devil". But they are a christian band. That's an example of heavy metal style with good lyrics. Roaring is putting all his eggs in the one basket.




But as a Christian, it is still vital to really pay attention to what it is we are not only watch, but what we are listening to. To say that you are not affected by anything you allow into your eyes and ears is simply foolish pride. Because even though it may take awhile to fully take affect in one's life, that stuff surely will do so eventually. First in the way one thinks and then becoming evident in the way one lives. Why do you think the Bible is so adamant about "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." - Philippians 4:8 Because that stuff does affect everyone, even the 'strong' christians Paul is directing this statement to.
I don't buy this idea (is it even scriptural?) that stuff we allow into our eyes and ears eventually effects ones life. If that's true, then where are all the mass murders after people watch horror films, where are the terrorist attacks after watching movies with terrorists in them? If non-believers can watch and listen to this stuff and it not come out in their life, why can't christians, we should be much stronger. I agree some people are weak minded, others should be in a psych. hospital and bad music puts them over the edge. But chances are you hear more swear words down the street or at work than in a song. Or in TV programs or movies. But if listening to a certain song is going to cause you to rape 10 women they don't listen to it.
 

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imoss,

I would like to know what your conviction is concerning practical sanctification for the believer, having to do with God calling you out of the world and being separate (2Cor 6:17), loving not the world or the things that are in the world (1John 2:15) and the difference that God put between the Egyptians and Israel (Ex 11:7). The Egyptians representing the world and Israel representing God's people. What is it about the believer that should be different? What is it about us that the world would look at and know that we are different? What are those things that are of the world, that God has called us out of?

Personal question. Do you think that one of the greatest strongholds that is in the world system in which we live, has to do with the music we enjoy and identify with and the kind of entertainment we are attracted to? Do you see that in the world and within your sphere of influence? Do you think that it is a significant concern for believers to be separated from?
 
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Audio Adrenaline - A popular CHRISTIAN ROCK group (yes, they do exist - they shaped my childhood - my alltime fave band in fact) have a great song about this very topic. It's called 'The houseplant song'. They've hit the nai righl on the head with it...

I suggest you all listen to it... then go take a chill pill.
 
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today I picked up my son at the bus, Christian music Playing... complete with drums... the guy in the car behind heard it " his name is JEEEEEEEEESUS preeeecious jeeeeeeeesus Lord almighty king of my heart king of glory... ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. some of us can separate ourselves so far from this world that we are of no earthly use to our Lord and Savior in the salvation of lost souls. So he uses those people to keep the rest of us in spiritual check I guess... As for me...he uses me to get to them crazy biker/construction worker/highschool friends of mine... who btw I JUST LOVE THEM!!! I also love Jesus!! very very very much and believe me, my friends know I am Christian by my Love! and the fact that Christ is everywhere in my life. Pretty much nothing you post about being in the world but not of the world is going to change my love for journey, third day, jars of clay, ELVIS!!! JOHNNY CASH!!! so please give it up. My day starts with the Lord, I talk to him all day, I reject anything that blasphemes his name, I reject music with lyrics that are antiChristian. You arent going to make me feel bad about my walk with the Lord cause I happen to know something that you may not... He absolutely LOVES me! I'm his precious daughter & he loves the way i sing off key to all my tears and weep thinking about what he did for me... Yup the Lord loves me in spite of my inadquate life.
 
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For example w.r.t the quote by Lennon as being "bigger than Jesus", it helps to consider the whole story, Lennon's apology, and the context in which he made that statement.

http://beatlesnumber9.com/biggerjesus.html



Intro:


On March 4, 1966, this quote of John's was printed in an interview by reporter (and friend of John's) Maureen Cleave in the London Evening Standard:
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."
He was, as she reported, reading extensively about religion at the time. It was a small part of the article. No one took notice of it in Britain.

And then, five months later, on July 29, a teen magazine in the US of A (land of the free, especially religious freedom), Datebook, reprinted the quote out of context instead of submerged in an article, and used it as a part of a front cover story. Radio stations in the south banned Beatles music. There were rallies of boys and girls stomping on their records and bonfires of Beatles material. John recieved death threats, and the KKK protestsed a Beatle concert in Alabama (because, apparently, it seemed like the Christian thing to do). This statement, hardly noticed in the UK, was completely taken out of context and the bible belt of the hypocritical southern states was used to beat Lennon and The Beatles in a very unfair and very non-Christian way. John was not comparing the Beatles to Christ or god or religion. The quote as it appears here, IN CONTEXT, is just John being John and using things he knew about in a way he naturally spoke to a friend/reporter. The Jesus lovers, acting in their best Christ-like behaviour, threatened to kill John.





Intro:


On March 4, 1966, this quote of John's was printed in an interview by reporter (and friend of John's) Maureen Cleave in the London Evening Standard:
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."
He was, as she reported, reading extensively about religion at the time. It was a small part of the article. No one took notice of it in Britain.

And then, five months later, on July 29, a teen magazine in the US of A (land of the free, especially religious freedom), Datebook, reprinted the quote out of context instead of submerged in an article, and used it as a part of a front cover story.
Radio stations in the south banned Beatles music. There were rallies of boys and girls stomping on their records and bonfires of Beatles material. John recieved death threats, and the KKK protestsed a Beatle concert in Alabama (because, apparently, it seemed like the Christian thing to do).
This statement, hardly noticed in the UK, was completely taken out of context and the bible belt of the hypocritical southern states was used to beat Lennon and The Beatles in a very unfair and very non-Christian way. John was not comparing the Beatles to Christ or god or religion. The quote as it appears here, IN CONTEXT, is just John being John and using things he knew about in a way he naturally spoke to a friend/reporter. The Jesus lovers, acting in their best Christ-like behaviour, threatened to kill John.
Who says terrorism is limited to radical Islam?


The Apology
John: "If I had said television is more popular than Jesus, I might have got away with it, but I just happened to be talking to a friend and I used the words "Beatles" as a remote thing, not as what I think - as Beatles, as those other Beatles like other people see us. I just said "they" are having more influence on kids and things than anything else, including Jesus. But I said it in that way which is the wrong way."
Reporter: "Some teenagers have repeated your statements - "I like the Beatles more than Jesus Christ." What do you think about that?"
John: "Well, originally I pointed out that fact in reference to England. That we meant more to kids than Jesus did, or religion at that time. I wasn't knocking it or putting it down. I was just saying it as a fact and it's true more for England than here. I'm not saying that we're better or greater, or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is. I just said what I said and it was wrong. Or it was taken wrong. And now it's all this." Reporter: "But are you prepared to apologize?" John (thinking that he had just apologized, because he did): "I wasn't saying whatever they're saying I was saying. I'm sorry I said it really. I never meant it to be a lousy anti-religious thing. I apologize if that will make you happy. I still don't know quite what I've done. I've tried to tell you what I did do but if you want me to apologize, if that will make you happy, then OK, I'm sorry."
 

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][QUOTEumm actually Dad, the song was written by John Newton who was a slave trader and was definitely about Gods Grace in Christ Jesus & where it brought him... maybe did you mean the tune that the song is sung to??

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I dont know nuthin bout no words..........lol,Im bashin country here!hahahahaaha
but seriuosly folx,unless we get back to the origional meter that the hebrews used,which BTW is a wierd timing,we,meanibg nun of us,can say whATS RIGHT OR WRONG IN WORSHIP MUSIC,I tried to study this once,prety kool but incredibly hard!personally my natural mode is the phregian mode,not really sure why but its always came out when I play.

So you're telling us, Mahogony, that you, a bible-believing, Christ-following, Holiness-desiring Christian, have no problem singing along with such tunes as 'Hells Bells" or "Running with the Devil" or any other tune that relays a message of the things or paths that your God opposes?
asfar as these songs go "Runnin with the devil" and Highway to hell"
The lyrics are a philosofy that these singers use metaphores for,ie.runnin with the devil "is drug adiction andlivin the Rock-n-roll lifestyle,like dropin out of school and becoming a "Rock Staaaaa"
The Highway to hell" song is a metaphore for being a signed rock band,ie.selling ones soul to the devil for stardome is signing your name on the dotted line to a record company and having to do everything they say you have to do,really rough life,in a way I'd say it is like selling your soul to a soulless morralless entity,I recon thats why there are so many suicides in the fame game.But anyhoo,I recon my point is that Rock music has Always from the begining of the geonra in the fifties had metaphores,even the term "Rock-N Roll" is a metaphore for Sex,So I know where youre comin from on this one here roaring.I love music,Mostly classical, and music history intregues me too,I guess thats why I've always been drawn to Metal music and Blues music,As a preference ,as BLC pointed out,So I gotta keep a check on that,NOW Metal music is a different story all together,Lots of those osngs are really deceptive,and really super satanic,but if you aint buyin what they sellin ?whos to say.personally I dont like to listen to those much.
 
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haha, oh man... how we waste our time focusing on things that don't really matter. Funny. Sad, yet funny.
 
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Michael Jackson- “It happens subliminally. It’s the music that compels me to do it. You don’t think about it, it just happens. I’m slave to the rhythm’ (Michael Jackson, explaining the reason for some of the filthy sexual gestures during his concerts, during a 1993 Oprah Winfrey interview, The Evening Star, Feb. 11, 1993, p. A10).

I'm gonna say on this one though.............. was not taken out of context probably..... AT ALL
 
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