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This is quite simple.
You deny Jesus is God.. but how you justufy your thinking is by saying where does it say I have to believe He is God? You know exactly what you are trying to do.
Young Christians or new converts are like infants, they don't know everything but through time they start eating the meat.. I believe you have not even drank baby milk yet.
If a child is born into a wealthy household, the baby does not straight away need to be shown that the big mansion is his, or that the families wealth will be his, but for mean time all the baby needs is nurturing, but through this nurturing comes to realize the truth about who his family is!
If you believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, then you will see that Jesus is God. However you try to use the first clause to deny the second... very clever but not clever enough to fool anyone, you also play the poor me I am just doing my best to understand..well that does not fool anyone who has read your posts. Because you claim to be a christian for a very very long time and you have read scripture and you have come to your conclusions on your own merit or by someone elses.... Your God is not the God of the Bible LBG!
When Jesus spoke to the Jews... (they didn't think like you..a modern english man) they Knew exactly what Jesus was saying..' Before Abraham was, I AM'. It's so clear.. they Knew that this meant YHWH. so what does that mean to us today? ity doesnt change Jesus is God!
It is quite extroadinary for you to say you believe Jesus is the Son of God and yet deny that He actually is.
Now LBG, what did Sonship mean to His hearers (Jews) why would they want to kill Him because He that His Father is working and He does the qwork of the Father?? why did that infuriate them??
So when Jesus claims to be the Son of God, He is making a clear statement to the Jews of who He is... He is claiming that He is God!
But, as I say I cannot force you to believe Jesus is God, I wipe to dust of my shoes.
You deny Jesus is God.. but how you justufy your thinking is by saying where does it say I have to believe He is God? You know exactly what you are trying to do.
Young Christians or new converts are like infants, they don't know everything but through time they start eating the meat.. I believe you have not even drank baby milk yet.
If a child is born into a wealthy household, the baby does not straight away need to be shown that the big mansion is his, or that the families wealth will be his, but for mean time all the baby needs is nurturing, but through this nurturing comes to realize the truth about who his family is!
If you believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, then you will see that Jesus is God. However you try to use the first clause to deny the second... very clever but not clever enough to fool anyone, you also play the poor me I am just doing my best to understand..well that does not fool anyone who has read your posts. Because you claim to be a christian for a very very long time and you have read scripture and you have come to your conclusions on your own merit or by someone elses.... Your God is not the God of the Bible LBG!
When Jesus spoke to the Jews... (they didn't think like you..a modern english man) they Knew exactly what Jesus was saying..' Before Abraham was, I AM'. It's so clear.. they Knew that this meant YHWH. so what does that mean to us today? ity doesnt change Jesus is God!
It is quite extroadinary for you to say you believe Jesus is the Son of God and yet deny that He actually is.
Now LBG, what did Sonship mean to His hearers (Jews) why would they want to kill Him because He that His Father is working and He does the qwork of the Father?? why did that infuriate them??
So when Jesus claims to be the Son of God, He is making a clear statement to the Jews of who He is... He is claiming that He is God!
But, as I say I cannot force you to believe Jesus is God, I wipe to dust of my shoes.
Hi LBG,
I could quite easily say that I spoke to Baptist minister and he told me that if you believe Jesus is not God, you do not have the Son, therefore you do not have eternal life 1 John 5:11-12. we can easlily say things on the internet.What comes out of the mouth of God is truth,and God says he is my beloved son.
To confess any other is false.God also inspired Peter to say; You are the masiah the son of God.
I would agree that you need a belief in Jesus, but then don't the demons?At least the spirits are right whe they confessed that he is the son of God.
What is it that sets the belief of Christians about Christ from the rest of the world? Jesus is the son of God.
You see what you really do is take a part of truth and twist it so that you can follow your own belief in who God is, as I have said already that is Idolatry, you make your own God!
If you confess that Jesus is the son of God, you can not go wrong.
LBG I have answered your questions quite a few times as have others infact just go on to the main board and you can the wonderfull truth that Jesus is infact one with the Fathe...God.
The holy spirit is in us, that does not make us the holy spirit.
Now you asked for proof from a Baptist Church..I gave you that, then you change the goal posts..it had to be someone in the UK.. So its hard to answer when you keep changing.
Now as in the post well above.. answer this.
Where does Jesus say Himself He is not God.He always quotes his father.Always my father.
Since wakeup agrees with you maube he can answer aswell
I could quite easily say that I spoke to Baptist minister and he told me that if you believe Jesus is not God, you do not have the Son, therefore you do not have eternal life 1 John 5:11-12. we can easlily say things on the internet.What comes out of the mouth of God is truth,and God says he is my beloved son.
To confess any other is false.God also inspired Peter to say; You are the masiah the son of God.
I would agree that you need a belief in Jesus, but then don't the demons?At least the spirits are right whe they confessed that he is the son of God.
What is it that sets the belief of Christians about Christ from the rest of the world? Jesus is the son of God.
You see what you really do is take a part of truth and twist it so that you can follow your own belief in who God is, as I have said already that is Idolatry, you make your own God!
If you confess that Jesus is the son of God, you can not go wrong.
LBG I have answered your questions quite a few times as have others infact just go on to the main board and you can the wonderfull truth that Jesus is infact one with the Fathe...God.
The holy spirit is in us, that does not make us the holy spirit.
Now you asked for proof from a Baptist Church..I gave you that, then you change the goal posts..it had to be someone in the UK.. So its hard to answer when you keep changing.
Now as in the post well above.. answer this.
Where does Jesus say Himself He is not God.He always quotes his father.Always my father.
Since wakeup agrees with you maube he can answer aswell
Tell me Phil if you are mature in the faith and led by a Holy Spirit inspired church. How many miracles do you see in your church?
Christ promised his followers would do greater miracles than he because he was going to the Father. How much of this do you see in your Christian life?
Biblically speaking the true message being preached was accompanied by signs, wonders and miracles. Do you see this in your church?
You see we have a Christianity by and large(though not always) that is led by the rational mind and man blindly following scholars and theologians. There is no power in that. So what do many do? They become cessasionists, and we here weird and wonderful reasons as to why the gifts of the spirit are no l.onger in operation
They do not realise there is no power in the way they strive after truth.
So what do we havew in Britain?
Most churches are mainly filled with those who come from loving, more secure backgrounds, and therefore the people mainly come from the more affluent half of society and the more intellectually gifted half of society, but these churches, even born again churches who proclaim the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today rarely see any real power. Why?
Because there is power in the truth. But people stand on man, not on the Bible. They want to reason and rationalise with their minds, believing that through great striving and effort they can understand much
Kathryn Khulman saw great healings in her services, and medically verified ones at that
People used to ask her, why she thought not all were healed
She shook her head and replied
I don't know. But that is the first thing I want to ask Jesus when I get to Heaven
Jamie Buckingham the respected Christian author who wrote the book said
Theologians had the answer, hundreds of them, but they never saw any miracles
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There is no questions marks about the truth:
'Before Abraham was, I AM' Jesus was speaking directly to Jews who He knew that knew what he was saying. He is YHWH. I AM who I AM.
There is nothing greater to confess lthat Jesus ios the Son of God, like the Apostle My Lord My God.
Will you wakeup confess that Jesus is ' My Lord and My God' the great I AM?
Even the demons can say Jesus is the son of God.... are we to be just like them? or will we also identify with scripture that Jesus is 'My Lord and My God, The I AM.
And before you start rambling on about a philosophical use of the wrod 'word' John clearly identifies Jesus as being that word, a bieng not a thought!
So will you believe just as the demons.. or will you believe Jesus is God?
So now your going from not believing that Jesus is God, to slagging of churches?
I Have seen the greatest miracles that one would wish for have you? Lost souls coming to believe in Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour
I Have seen the greatest miracles that one would wish for have you? Lost souls coming to believe in Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour
And as usual the point of my post is totally ignored, and a response to Christ's words when he walked this earth is ignored also
If we have to believe that jesus is God to have eternal life,than all the apostles are doomed,for they all believe Jesus is THE SON OF GOD.
But you at the same time are still following their teachings,another contradiction? You will only create contradiction after contradictions
Which can not be explained honestly with the scriptures; can you not understand.Follow as the scripture says,dont sway a little bit even.
The evil one is working extra time at this moment to cause confusion.
But you at the same time are still following their teachings,another contradiction? You will only create contradiction after contradictions
Which can not be explained honestly with the scriptures; can you not understand.Follow as the scripture says,dont sway a little bit even.
The evil one is working extra time at this moment to cause confusion.
Not only the that, the official church for 300 years after the death of Christ did not make official belief what Phil and others believe to be the bedrock of Christianity and a belief eternal life hinges on.
All those people that must end up in hell because the church failed miserably in its duty to make official the basis of Christianity
For whatever eternal life hinges on now it surely hinged on then.
And of course if Phil is correct. Eternal life hinges on what is only hinted at in scripture. The plain statements of Christ cannot be relied on, neither John(1 John 4:15)
Such is the lunacy of man made theology which ignores the plainest of scripture
All those people that must end up in hell because the church failed miserably in its duty to make official the basis of Christianity
For whatever eternal life hinges on now it surely hinged on then.
And of course if Phil is correct. Eternal life hinges on what is only hinted at in scripture. The plain statements of Christ cannot be relied on, neither John(1 John 4:15)
Such is the lunacy of man made theology which ignores the plainest of scripture
This is for you and LBG
And If you are a christian of course you will agree that Jesus is the son of God..thats silly to say other wise.. however my point is did not one of them say MY LORD and MY GOD, Now if this was untrue don't you think he would have been sternly rebuked???
I will ask you again, Do you believe who Jesus says He was? He said He was YHWH (I Am), do you believe what the apostles said and believed, remember that one of them said MY LORD and MY GOD,
do you believe like Scripture testifies That Jesus Is God?
If you do not scripture is plain, you do not have eternal life.
Well as you have YET AGAIN refused to answer the questions I have put to you I think it is a bit of a cheek you expecting me to answer yours. But check out and contemplate on the scriptures I gave you concerning your above question
And also dwell on the fact that three chapters earlier Christ had prayed to his Father
That they may know you ,THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
And also dwell on the fact that three chapters earlier Christ had prayed to his Father
That they may know you ,THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
Yip and what you have posted has been answered.
But as I say I can not make you believe anything, only God can do that.
Can you agree with the apostle who said ...MY LORD and MY GOD? you don't have to answer it here if you do not want to LBG. But, from the bottom of my heart i ask you to ponder this truth in your heart.
But as I say I can not make you believe anything, only God can do that.
Can you agree with the apostle who said ...MY LORD and MY GOD? you don't have to answer it here if you do not want to LBG. But, from the bottom of my heart i ask you to ponder this truth in your heart.
I have given you the scriptures to explain your misunderstanding. It is up to you if you accept them or not
Why not also read
Heb 1:8&9
Yes, Christ was Thomas Lord and God, but as Jesus said
There was only one true God, the Father
And
1 Cor 8:5&6
Phil
There is only one way to really know truth that matters.
Kneel down before God, humbly admit you know nothing in yourself. With all your heart love God and desire to come ever closer to him through his son. Love God so much thast you want him to have all the glory in your life and seek none for yourself, and love God so much that you will never try and impress man, and totally rely on the Holy Spirit for the truth you may know and give God the glory for it. That is the way of truth
Why not also read
Heb 1:8&9
Yes, Christ was Thomas Lord and God, but as Jesus said
There was only one true God, the Father
And
1 Cor 8:5&6
Phil
There is only one way to really know truth that matters.
Kneel down before God, humbly admit you know nothing in yourself. With all your heart love God and desire to come ever closer to him through his son. Love God so much thast you want him to have all the glory in your life and seek none for yourself, and love God so much that you will never try and impress man, and totally rely on the Holy Spirit for the truth you may know and give God the glory for it. That is the way of truth
But sadly many put the cart before the horse.
They believe the key to knowledge is making great effort to read up on many theologians and scholars, it isn't. The key to knowledge is the heart that loves God and takes up their cross and follows after his son
It is no coincidence that Christ said
A person who seeks the honour of the one who sent him is a MAN OF TRUTH
The proud of heart or someone who seeks honour for themselves from man therefore never will be a man(or woman) of much truth, though undoubtedly they will believe they do know much
They believe the key to knowledge is making great effort to read up on many theologians and scholars, it isn't. The key to knowledge is the heart that loves God and takes up their cross and follows after his son
It is no coincidence that Christ said
A person who seeks the honour of the one who sent him is a MAN OF TRUTH
The proud of heart or someone who seeks honour for themselves from man therefore never will be a man(or woman) of much truth, though undoubtedly they will believe they do know much
There are those that are driven in their religious dogma concerning Christ and the church and have substituted faith from God's word with their own understanding even when it distorts the doctrine of Christ, who is God manifest in the flesh, as our Lord God and Saviour. There are religious spirits that drive certain believers in areas of doctrine that do not magnify Christ or edify believers in the body of Christ. They have become accustomed to their own understanding and lead others into error without any perception or discernment as to what they are doing. They will continue and become established with this religious dogma and it will be revealed as their own downfall when God brings the church into major trials and testings. They will fall away in their own error through their own conceit.
He who believes that i am he(the mesiah,the son of God) will have eternal life.God was speaking through His son for 3.5 yrs.
He is the word of God in the flesh so we can see him,and also for the purpose of being crussified and to die.The flesh is turned into spirit again and sitting next to his father, waiting for his father to give the command to come down again.The word can not know when his father is going to give that command,what day and what hour, but he can decern the season,for he knows the scriptures.He will come agian when the father sees fit.The scripters must flow without any contradictions.
He is the word of God in the flesh so we can see him,and also for the purpose of being crussified and to die.The flesh is turned into spirit again and sitting next to his father, waiting for his father to give the command to come down again.The word can not know when his father is going to give that command,what day and what hour, but he can decern the season,for he knows the scriptures.He will come agian when the father sees fit.The scripters must flow without any contradictions.
It may be good for you to pray that your eyes will be opened Phil so you can answer questions instead of ignoring them
And also that you may answer honestly that which is being asked of you, rather than make untruthful comments concerning what others believe and write.
And also that you might not make extra biblical demands on people concerning salvation. Sometimes we are eager to look at others and believe they need much help in arreas of their life but we do not
look at the arreas that need changing in our own, for that is a far more uncomfortable thing to do. It always seems safer just to look at what we perceive is anothers faults
And I do believe Jesus is who he claimed to be
The son of God.
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