Do we seek God's judgment for our lives? Should we seek His judgment?

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Do we seek His judgment? Do we come to the light, to have our deeds revealed? Are we even taught to do this, and if we are taught, do we believe that this is something we should do to mature in Jesus Christ?

John wrote in His letter to christians, followers of Jesus Christ, to three stages of maturity in Jesus. Little children, young men, and fathers. How he describes each of these is an instruction on how we are to grow in maturity to the fullness of Jesus. If you are interested, I will elaborate somewhat.

Little children are described as having their sins forgiven, but for a very specific purpose, a sake. And that is for His name's sake. Why is this so important to the baby christian? Well, today, the purpose has been mostly lost, and the for His name's sake has become for the sake of the little one. Jesus is concerned with how we abide, how we live in Him, how well we walk in His Spirit and follow His leading. But if one is constantly aware of their sins, and is not sure that they are forgiven, then they are ashamed and tend to be unwilling to draw near to God, to consider themselves as one that God wants near Himself. So, it is for the sake of Jesus' name, whose name these little ones have taken on as their identity, as christians, that the fact of the forgiveness of their sins is central to their heart and mind. If possible, it is the responsibility of those more mature to remind these of this wonderful fact, and encourage them to draw near to God and to walk in the leading of the Spirit.

Young men have the word living in them. They are said to have overcome the wicked one. Many think that this means that they have overcome sin. This is not the case however. Even Paul, who must be considered as a father in Christ, proclaimed himself the chief of sinners, near the end of his life. And John wrote that if anyone says that they are without sin, that the truth is not in them and that they are a liar. So in what way have these young men overcome the wicked one? They have established a viable and growing relationship with God. The devil does everything he can to keep this from happening, because he hates us and he hates God, and when we are separated, there is pain and misery for both us and God. He loves us so much that He gave His only Son, that we might be reconciled back to Him.

Fathers are characterized as knowing Him who is from the beginning. Not to much needs to be said about this. Moses would have been a father. John and James and Peter and Paul were fathers. Anyone who wants to know God in this way can. All who believe in Jesus are called to this, for this is the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Jesus could say with absolute confidence that He and His Father are one. He prayed that we might become one with each other and with Him. To be a father christian is to know God!

What does all of this have to do with seeking God's judgment? The only way that we grow from little children, to young men, to fathers; is to seek God's face. And as we draw near to Him, as we come into the holy place within the veil, we will see the light, and we will be judged by that light, like we have never been judged before. And the more we come into this light, the more we will grow in Jesus, and the more mature we will be in Him, and the more we will be able to reflect Him in and to the world. But our faults keep us from this fullness. God will not contend with us. He asks us to seek Him.

Finally, as we come to the light, we learn to walk in the light. And what the light will eventually show us is when we do not walk and speak and act in God's love. This is the most severe judgment of God because when we do not walk in His love we are in opposition to Him. John puts it best, saying;

And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this, love is perfected with us, that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in the world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts our fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. We love because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this is the commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

Perfection is the standard, because Jesus is the standard, but the perfection is in love. God's love.

In Christ,
 
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Fathers are characterized as knowing Him who is from the beginning. Not to much needs to be said about this. Moses would have been a father. John and James and Peter and Paul were fathers. Anyone who wants to know God in this way can. All who believe in Jesus are called to this, for this is the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Jesus could say with absolute confidence that He and His Father are one. He prayed that we might become one with each other and with Him. To be a father christian is to know God!,
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and here is the hook for those who didn't catch it....

Matthew 23:7-9
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7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[a] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven
 
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AnandaHya said:
and here is the hook for those who didn't catch it....

Matthew 23:7-9
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7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[a] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven
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Shame on you. You know that this is not what I intended. Shame on you.
 
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that is what you said. there is no shame on me, you need to watch your words. People who claim to be prophets should only speak words that can not lead to confusion.

Matthew 12:37
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

therefore it that is not what you intended instead of getting all offended, perhaps you should clarify? so others may not misunderstand and twist your words to justify all sorts of evil.
 
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I am sorry, but I must remain apart from you sister.

In Christ,
 
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that is what you said. there is no shame on me, you need to watch your words. People who claim to be prophets should only speak words that can not lead to confusion.

Matthew 12:37
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

therefore it that is not what you intended instead of getting all offended, perhaps you should clarify? so others may not misunderstand and twist your words to justify all sorts of evil.
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Watch my words? You are confused. Those were John's words, inspired of the Holy Spirit, contained in the bible in which you have placed your trust. And you use the words of Jesus in another way than He intended to make a lie of scripture.

Shame on you.
 
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that is fine. remain apart. One message God tells me as well.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.
 
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Watch my words? You are confused. Those were John's words, inspired of the Holy Spirit, contained in the bible in which you have placed your trust. And you use the words of Jesus in another way than He intended to make a lie of scripture.

Shame on you.
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Where did John say such things then? perhaps you can quote it? I place my Trust in God and He revealed that the Holy Bible could be trusted as well for they are His revealed words. therefore if you can find scripture to support your words then show it and I will listen. I have not read any where that John has spoken as you do.
 
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Oh you must be referring to these verses:

1 Timothy 5

1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity.

I'm not rebuking you, I'm exhorting. there is a difference. do you know it?

I merely said your words could be misconstrued and you should clarify and instead of listening you play the victim again. want to try clarifying this time and tell us why people should think themselves as fathers when they are to think of younger men as brothers how then would they be their father?
 
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What does all of this have to do with seeking God's judgment? The only way that we grow from little children, to young men, to fathers; is to seek God's face. And as we draw near to Him, as we come into the holy place within the veil, we will see the light, and we will be judged by that light, like we have never been judged before. And the more we come into this light, the more we will grow in Jesus, and the more mature we will be in Him, and the more we will be able to reflect Him in and to the world. But our faults keep us from this fullness. God will not contend with us. He asks us to seek Him.,
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Hebrews 9:3-4
(3) And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
(4) Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Exodus 34:28
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
 
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Hebrews 9:3-4
(3) And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
(4) Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Exodus 34:28
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
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Hebrews 10:19-21 Since therefore, brethren, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Did you know that the 10 commandment, otherwise known as the first covenant, was given 3 times?

Did you know that Jesus gave His new commandment 3 times?

Did you know that we are called into His holy presence......yep, you guessed it, 3 times?
 
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And I will not read what AnandaHya writes, because she has decided to be contentious. This is not something I want, but it is necessary at this time.

In Christ.
 
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All I know is that I just need to ask him. His voice is all i need. No need to read anything anyone else says.
 
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Hebrews 10:19-21 Since therefore, brethren, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Did you know that the 10 commandment, otherwise known as the first covenant, was given 3 times?

Did you know that Jesus gave His new commandment 3 times?

Did you know that we are called into His holy presence......yep, you guessed it, 3 times?
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The new commandment as Jesus said is a summary of the ten commandments. The first 4 are to God we show God that we love him by keeping the first 4. The next 6 are to our neighbour, we show our neighbour that we love them by keeping the next 6.

If you were to sum up the 10 commandments how would you do it?
 
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Laodicea said:
Hebrews 9:3-4
(3) And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
(4) Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Exodus 34:28
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
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Matthew 27: 50 And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And behold the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top even to the bottom: and the earth quaked and the rocks were rent. 52 And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city and appeared to many.
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The new commandment as Jesus said is a summary of the ten commandments. The first 4 are to God we show God that we love him by keeping the first 4. The next 6 are to our neighbour, we show our neighbour that we love them by keeping the next 6.

If you were to sum up the 10 commandments how would you do it?
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It is not. That is a fallacy of the worst sort. No where in the commandment given through Moses are we to love each other as God has loved us. It ain't there.

You cannot see that even as Jesus taught, the commandments were not good enough to be righteous in God's eyes? Read again the sermon on the mount.

Besides, why would He say, "new commandment," if it was just a rehashing of the old commandments? Huh?
 
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wow VW just contradicted God's words again....

Jesus did NOT say "new Commandment" wonder who he is listening too.... Here is what my Bible says....

Matthew 5:17-19
New King James Version (NKJV)

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Maybe he refers to these verses....the only thing "new" that I see is Jesus revelation and work at the cross. what about you guys? That Jesus loved us enough to DIE for us....Besides that we have had it from the beginning: that we love one another....



2 John 1:5
And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

Ephesians 2:15
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

1 John 2:7
Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning.

1 John 2:8
Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.
 
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All I know is that I just need to ask him. His voice is all i need. No need to read anything anyone else says.
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Sarcasm? Oh, I see, you are testing me again.

But I ask you this, where, in all of the created things, which includes the bible oddly enough, can one find a better picture, and more complete and accurate view of perfection, than God Himself? And what command do we have from God, about how good we should be? Oh, I remember, thank you Holy Spirit for bring it to my mind. We are to be perfect, just as our Father in heaven is perfect.

But if this is my standard, according to scripture, then how do I know just what that perfection looks like? Can I truly understand His perfection just by reading, or must I have some contact with the perfect, living God?

Blessing in Christ,
 
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it is not through our righteousness we are saved but through the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. That is the gospel of Jesus Christ: salvation through grace and faith not through works so no man may boast.

funny he uses this, when he won't even greet his brethren.... hmmm .....Jesus tells us to be kind and loving even to those we think are our enemy, yet.... well actions speak louder then words.....

Matthew 5:43-48
New King James Version (NKJV)
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren[a] only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

so what does that mean? perhaps unconditional love and care for all despite how they speak or act towards you?
 
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