Do we seek God's judgment for our lives? Should we seek His judgment?

[AnandaHya]

All I know is that I just need to ask him. His voice is all i need. No need to read anything anyone else says.

makes you wonder why a person would post if they don't plan on reading other people's response? If His voice is all that is needed and all?

I always thought the great commission involved other people not living in a cave of mystical experiences.

thought it went something like this:

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore[c] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.[d

now the question is what did Jesus teach and command?

Matthew 22:37-39
New King James Version (NKJV)
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

lol yeah I know you know this already but its more for the new people, so they can read some of God's truth instead of lies or twisted doctrine.

how is one saved?

Romans 10:8-11
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[a](that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[b

 

[Laodicea]

It is not. That is a fallacy of the worst sort. No where in the commandment given through Moses are we to love each other as God has loved us. It ain't there.

You cannot see that even as Jesus taught, the commandments were not good enough to be righteous in God's eyes? Read again the sermon on the mount.

Besides, why would He say, "new commandment," if it was just a rehashing of the old commandments? Huh?

I think you need to look at the ten commandments carefully if you think the 10 commandments are not a law of love then you are only looking at the letter of the law not the spirit of the law.

Lets take the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" (murder)

1 John 3:15
(15) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

So to hate is the same as murder and Jesus says:-

Matthew 5:43-44
(43) Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
(44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
John 13:34-35
(34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
(35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

So if we love our enemies would we hate them? So to fulfill the commandment "Thou shalt not murder" we are to love our enemies. The letter of the law says "Thou shalt not kill , but the spirit of the law says " love your enemies"

Romans 7:6
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
John 15:10
(10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Romans 13:8-10
(8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
(9) For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[VW]

Language, what a trap.

I did not say that the Law was not of love, I said that the Law did not command the people to love each other even as God has loved them.

Jesus commands us to love one another even as He has loved us. Indeed, the word love is in not one of the commandments of the Law. Besides, there was no provision available for one to love as Jesus has loved us then, that came with the giving of the Holy Spirit.

Are you wanting to be a teacher of the Law?

 

[Laodicea]

Language, what a trap.

I did not say that the Law was not of love, I said that the Law did not command the people to love each other even as God has loved them.

Jesus commands us to love one another even as He has loved us. Indeed, the word love is in not one of the commandments of the Law. Besides, there was no provision available for one to love as Jesus has loved us then, that came with the giving of the Holy Spirit.

Are you wanting to be a teacher of the Law?

Exodus 20:4-6
(4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
(6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:15
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Look in the commandments is the word love which you said is not there you only look at the letter of the law but not at the spirit of the law

Romans 7:12
(12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Tell me which law is Paul talking about? It is the 10 commandments nothing wrong with the law only us but with the love of God in our hearts we will keep His law of love the 10 commandments

 

[VW]

No matter how you look at it, the Law is not the same as the new commandment that Jesus gave to us. Why? Because no one could keep the Law. In fact, only one person ever kept the Law, and He was crucified. You do not keep the Law, and neither do I. We cannot.

Paul wrote about the same ten commandments you seem to have placed your hope in that we do not receive the Sporit on the basis of it, but rather on the hearing of Jesus with faith. And he goes on to write that if one trusts in the Law then they are obligate to the entire Law. He goes on to write that the Law is not of faith. So if you insist on teaching the Law, (which Paul wrote that one really has only a single reason for doing so, which is to become a judge, which means a judge of the Law and thus a judge of God,) then I will have to leave you to yourself and not converse with you anymore.

 

[Laodicea]

No matter how you look at it, the Law is not the same as the new commandment that Jesus gave to us. Why? Because no one could keep the Law. In fact, only one person ever kept the Law, and He was crucified. You do not keep the Law, and neither do I. We cannot.

Paul wrote about the same ten commandments you seem to have placed your hope in that we do not receive the Sporit on the basis of it, but rather on the hearing of Jesus with faith. And he goes on to write that if one trusts in the Law then they are obligate to the entire Law. He goes on to write that the Law is not of faith. So if you insist on teaching the Law, (which Paul wrote that one really has only a single reason for doing so, which is to become a judge, which means a judge of the Law and thus a judge of God,) then I will have to leave you to yourself and not converse with you anymore.

It is true that we cannot keep the commandments but Christ in us can

John 15:5
(5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Philippians 4:13
(13) I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

My faith is not in the law of God but in the merits of Christ for we are not only saved by His death but by His perfect life which is transferred to us when we give our lives to him

Romans 5:10
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Isaiah 61:10
(10) I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

But this does not cancel the law of God it has never been done away with there is no text in the Bible that says the 10 commandments were done away.

Romans 3:31
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Ephesians 2:8-10
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[VW]

No one has said that the Law is done away with. It still condemns those who are under it just as it always has.

My faith is in the new life which is after the resurrection of Jesus, is actually in His resurrection. For I have died and my life is now in Him. But because I have died the Law has no place for me, since the Law is only in effect as long as I was alive.

In addition, the Law was never given to me, because I am not and have never been a Jew. For this reason I was always excluded from that covenant. But in Christ I have new and better promises.

But you cannot hear this, so I will leave you to it.

 

[Laodicea]

No one has said that the Law is done away with. It still condemns those who are under it just as it always has.

My faith is in the new life which is after the resurrection of Jesus, is actually in His resurrection. For I have died and my life is now in Him. But because I have died the Law has no place for me, since the Law is only in effect as long as I was alive.

In addition, the Law was never given to me, because I am not and have never been a Jew. For this reason I was always excluded from that covenant. But in Christ I have new and better promises.

But you cannot hear this, so I will leave you to it.

where in the Bible does it say that the law was 4 the jews? Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man. Note He did not say for the jews but for man

 

[VW]

where in the Bible does it say that the law was 4 the jews? Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man. Note He did not say for the jews but for man

You might read the letter Paul wrote to the Galatians again.

 

[Laodicea]

You might read the letter Paul wrote to the Galatians again.

why dont you give some Bible instead of your own words?

 

[VW]

why dont you give some Bible instead of your own words?

My own words? If you could hear, you would know that what I am saying is from scripture.

But okay, here goes, since you would not look it up yourself:

Well, my fault, it is in Ephesians chapter 2:14-16, which says this:

For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one, and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

This passage deserves a lot of thought and prayer, because verse 12 says: remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the conenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13)But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Something that is not often quoted nor understood is the words of Paul in Galatians where he states that everyone who is under the Law is under a curse. And in the letter to the Hebrews, it is written that: Chapter 7:18-20 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment, because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. And again in verse 25, we find: Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

But if you wish to place your hope in the Law, go ahead. Just don't say that no one told you otherwise.

In Christ,

 

[Laodicea]

My own words? If you could hear, you would know that what I am saying is from scripture.

But okay, here goes, since you would not look it up yourself:

Well, my fault, it is in Ephesians chapter 2:14-16, which says this:

For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one, and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

This passage deserves a lot of thought and prayer, because verse 12 says: remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the conenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13)But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Note that he said the law contained in ordinances which were referring to the sacrificial system which Daniel said He would put an end to.

Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It was not the 10 commandments He put an end to but the sacrificial system. In the early church there were Jews coming into the church who said that they still had to keep those laws to be saved

Acts 15:1-5
(1) And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
(2) When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
(3) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
(4) And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
(5) But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The issue in the early church was over the law of Moses not the law of God and Paul addresses this issue by saying that the law of Moses has been abolished,

Read it for yourself do not take my word for it the issue in the early church was over the law of Moses, not the law of God.

Something that is not often quoted nor understood is the words of Paul in Galatians where he states that everyone who is under the Law is under a curse. And in the letter to the Hebrews, it is written that: Chapter 7:18-20 For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment, because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. And again in verse 25, we find: Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

But if you wish to place your hope in the Law, go ahead. Just don't say that no one told you otherwise.

In Christ,

As for not being under the law it means we are not under the condemnation of the law

Romans 6:23
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:1-4
(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
(3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[AnandaHya]

2 Peter 1
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

we begin as babes suckling the milk of faith but we are to continue to learn virtue, knowledge, self control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness and love.

 

[VW]

Note that he said the law contained in ordinances which were referring to the sacrificial system which Daniel said He would put an end to.

Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It was not the 10 commandments He put an end to but the sacrificial system. In the early church there were Jews coming into the church who said that they still had to keep those laws to be saved

Acts 15:1-5
(1) And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
(2) When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
(3) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
(4) And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
(5) But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The issue in the early church was over the law of Moses not the law of God and Paul addresses this issue by saying that the law of Moses has been abolished,

Read it for yourself do not take my word for it the issue in the early church was over the law of Moses, not the law of God.


As for not being under the law it means we are not under the condemnation of the law
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Excuse me, but the Law of Moses is the Law of God.

And Paul did not write that we are not under the comdemnation of the Law, because all of Israel was under that comdenantion. Condemantion has nothing to do with the Law, but with final sentencing. Condemned to death, or to the lake of fire.

Twist it brother,

 

[Laodicea]

Excuse me, but the Law of Moses is the Law of God.

And Paul did not write that we are not under the comdemnation of the Law, because all of Israel was under that comdenantion. Condemantion has nothing to do with the Law, but with final sentencing. Condemned to death, or to the lake of fire.

Twist it brother,

Deuteronomy 31:24-26
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
(25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Exodus 25:16
(16) And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

The law of Moses was written by Moses and put into the side of the ark but, the 10 commandments were written by God and was placed into the ark.

Colossians 2:14-17
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Notice that it says handwriting of ordinances, it was written by Moses. From these texts you can see that the law of Moses is not the law of God

 

[VW]

Deuteronomy 31:24-26
(24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
(25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
(26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Exodus 25:16
(16) And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

The law of Moses was written by Moses and put into the side of the ark but, the 10 commandments were written by God and was placed into the ark.

Colossians 2:14-17
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Notice that it says handwriting of ordinances, it was written by Moses. From these texts you can see that the law of Moses is not the law of God

So, in other words, the Law of Moses is not the inspired words of God, and that these laws came from Moses and not from God.

Give me a break! First the scripture is sacrosanct, and then it is something from a man. Paul wrote that if a man becomes circumcised in order to satisfy a part of the Law, then he is obligated to the entire Law.

What you are calling God's Law is in fact a covenant that God made, rather tried to make, with the children of Israel. But they hardened their hearts against His voice. Because of this God added the ordinances, one upon another, until the people were bound up in laws. And even so, God swore in His wrath that these people would never enter His rest.

So, if the Law of Moses is not the Law of God, then where did he get them? HUH??????

 

[VW]

Anyway, the whole point is that we cannot judge righteousness by the Law. Read the sermon on the mount and see the truth of this.

 

[Laodicea]

So, in other words, the Law of Moses is not the inspired words of God, and that these laws came from Moses and not from God.

Give me a break! First the scripture is sacrosanct, and then it is something from a man. Paul wrote that if a man becomes circumcised in order to satisfy a part of the Law, then he is obligated to the entire Law.

What you are calling God's Law is in fact a covenant that God made, rather tried to make, with the children of Israel. But they hardened their hearts against His voice. Because of this God added the ordinances, one upon another, until the people were bound up in laws. And even so, God swore in His wrath that these people would never enter His rest.

So, if the Law of Moses is not the Law of God, then where did he get them? HUH??????

It is simple the law of moses was written by moses and the law of God was written by God. When the Bible refers to the law of moses in Acts 15 it is talking about the law that moses wrote

 

[VW]

It is simple the law of moses was written by moses and the law of God was written by God. When the Bible refers to the law of moses in Acts 15 it is talking about the law that moses wrote

I vigorously disagree. Circumcision was not a part of the Law, the so called 10 commandments. And Paul specifically mentions circumcision, saying that if one receives circumcision he is under obligation to keep the whole law.

This thought that Moses wrote the law, are yo saying the it did not come from God? What other part of the bible are you going to say did not come from God?