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If your pastor is not perfect seek one who is. Where in america do God need a church...EVERYWHERE IN THE WHOLE WORLD! Wh yGod needs people to speak His Word... Not all can read or have Bibles! And God said... HIS WORD WILL BE PREACHED THROUGH THE WHOLE WORLD BEFORE HE COMES!! Wh ydo God still need prophets... For one, to Prophecy against the gays. And they will kill the two prophets, and lay their bodies three and a half days in this modern age on the MAIN street. And i hope you are not one of the people that will rejoice in their death! becasue apperently a lot of people will. So! after this three and a half days they will stand up again, and continue what... PROPHECYING! Then you will see how gays can run and be scared. Did God not say... Your children will prophecy?...how many times does a person have to prophecy becasue God told them to prophecy, before you will give them the rank of PROPHET! and does God's Church not RELY onprohecies in thei congregation, the ones where a woman may not speak? Where the prophet should stop prophecying if another gets a revelation? Or the one not speak in tongues when there is no intrepeter.. how would he know? By the BOND!!! You see no matter what we say here, God will have His way, and if you allow Him to have His way with you, even you may be our apostle... IT IS A GIFT OF GOD...ROMANS 1. You cannot stop God from giving HIS GIFTS, no matter what you say!
I know a prophet who is persucuted for being a prophet. What does someone have to do for you to be a prophet to you? This man was a prophet of God in the power of the Holy Spirit and no one could deny He was really in the Spirit. No one who knows the Word of God could call him a lier. He was imprisioned for claiming to be a prophet. They wouldn't let him go home. He was always doing the work of a prophet, and people made fun of him. Prophets are for people who believe. They are not for the unbelieveing. If you don't believe in prophets so much, you will not get the gift of a prophet to you.
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1 Why do you think the office of Apostles and Prophets are in the church today? For the same reason they have ALWAYS been there, God does not change!
2 What would they accomplish if they were? The same they always did... Perfecting the saints, edifying the Body, and uniting the FAITH, Something no one can accomplish with these lot, accept....If God change their hardened hearts, which is actually their own WORK!!!
3 And do you think it matters as I do seeing all the False Apostles and False Prophets? Matters? Becasue their is so many false prophets and teachers, God soen not have the right to a FEW Truth preachers... What about..PRay for the harvesters... Who does the false teachers harvest for and who does the True teachers harvest for... You see there is no argument..
4 and would you change your mind if the bible supported that there are no Apostles or Prophets? Change my mind if the Bible support what? The Bible support the bearers of office only a twisted spirit will see otherwise... maybe a spirit that does not believe Matthew 5:48.
2 What would they accomplish if they were? The same they always did... Perfecting the saints, edifying the Body, and uniting the FAITH, Something no one can accomplish with these lot, accept....If God change their hardened hearts, which is actually their own WORK!!!
3 And do you think it matters as I do seeing all the False Apostles and False Prophets? Matters? Becasue their is so many false prophets and teachers, God soen not have the right to a FEW Truth preachers... What about..PRay for the harvesters... Who does the false teachers harvest for and who does the True teachers harvest for... You see there is no argument..
4 and would you change your mind if the bible supported that there are no Apostles or Prophets? Change my mind if the Bible support what? The Bible support the bearers of office only a twisted spirit will see otherwise... maybe a spirit that does not believe Matthew 5:48.
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Wether there be prophecies they shall fail... speaking in tongues, miricles and works will stop...1 cor 13... but the Love will last forever ...Faith hope and love... Yep the last miricle and the last prophecy and the last tongues will be spoken when a CHOIR is singing! Only THEN God stops all HIS WORK ON EARTH to be with Him FOREVER!!! If you suggest it has already happened... THEN YOU ARE IN HELL WITH ME RIGHT NOW!! God's maricles ends with a CHOIR singing IN TONGUES!!! And the SING THE EVERLASTING PROPHECY!!! Do a study on what happens in heaven, Go to GOD, and ask HIM TO SHOW YOU. He did this for all who asked Him and for one who did not even ask...Really abiding, next time you read the Word...DO IT!! And you will SEE way more than you see now. Do not hear the WORD.. HEAR AND DO IT!!
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You have listed some strong points in spiritual terms; You want to be careful how you address people, concerning those who attend church with carnal minds. This understanding is not all that uncommon among the Christian religions. It should be allowed according to Old Testament law, that the strangers who are called by the Word of God to come and be counted in the census of our Lord's people, are to give witness of who they are in God's sight, redeemed by the blood of Christ. This is the witness of God's work in that person's life. Satan's work was revealed in the first disciples on the path of learning Jesus walked to the Cross. That path is filled with the fulfillment of law and words of the prophets. It isn't something that can be seen with fleshy eyes.
It's true, that there are false prophets who desire to draw people to them, and away from a personal relationship with Jesus, who knows all things. We are all blind in the beginning; and this being the very image of God's Son who came to heal the blind so His children might see the wisdom of God from within. I am not disagreeing with you; only that we need to use caution. I opened my mouth recently and accomplished nothing that I desired. What a good example of poor judgement.....