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hi 4runner:
i recognized you as a nutjob fanatic from your first day.
and all your violent rhetoric and bull** perfectionism garbage.
then your endorsment of this evil Lou Engle NAR (satanist) tells it all).
remember i said i could demolish your fake persona? GET READY.
if there's anyone at all ont hsi forum who cares about who these people are and what their goal is, i've got a million threads, and you've seen them come and go.
there's also your own renwed mind and a search engine.
if you don't care, and ocntinue to give aid and support, physical or spiritual to these creeps, join the antichrist hordes that have invaded the church exactly as prophesied.
keep 'em, see what happens to yourchurch: resist the, put on your armour. ignore them, well, that's the popular thing isn't it. YOU ALL WHO SAID AND DID NOTHING AND DIDN'T STUDY AND PRAY HAVE LET THIS HAPPEN, AND YOU YOURSELVES WILL DEAL WITH IT. it's going to DESTROY your church.
i thank GOD that by His Grace and faithfulness i'm in that tiny handful of protestants who know what's going on (see Noahide Pledge thread: Khazars podcast if you care at all).
me whether i choose to post again or not, i'll fight these demonic creeps to my last breath.
call ME JEZEBEL....that's their favourite toy.
CHOOSE THIS DAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE : JESUS CHRIST OR THESE PROPHETS OF BAAL sent to do exactly what they've done (or not).
4runner: YOU AND YOUR CAN BRING IT ON YOU WIMP. GOD WILL DESTROY EVERY PLAN YOU HAVE. you're not a christian at all. i knew that from your first post.
if i feel like it later i'm going to show what BLACK SOCITIES THESE GUYS COME FROM.
what fun 4runner.
Meet Lou Engle: The Apostolic Elder
A religious extremist from a dangerous cult, now being invited regularly to Republican Party events. Oilwellian and I assembled this quick and dirty video montage, just to give you a sense of this con-man and his church of hate, overflowing with incredible levels of Christian demagoguery. revivalist chicanery, and raw political ambition.
But he's merely a taste of what underlies the core beliefs of Sarah Palin and millions of others who invest in these Pentecostal snake oil salesmen. Unfortunately, they aren't merely a curiosity anymore. They are getting too close to power for that. They are now officially scary.
The Purpose of This Primer
As with many of my primers, my goal is not to provide a definitive resource. Rather, I want to provide starting points for others to travel. It is always my hope that one guide leads to another, and it to another, and so on, until perhaps someone can find and reveal some truth.
Christian reformations of all kinds, especially Dominionism and it's variants, are a complex subject, but the more we know about them, the easier they are to track, and prevent from gaining any more power in our political system than they already have.
Starting from Lou Engle, I want to build this primer as a road map of where you can find the best info about these dangerous movements, and what we must do to guard against their ruinous influence in our politics. It's not an easy task, and this is merely a start. I plan to enlist friends like @karoli, who has a great deal of knowledge about these Christian movements, and others who I hope will come forward to help.
Please review these links and articles, and post to the comments anything you feel should be included. Please check back often for changes.
Back Story
The Rachel Maddow show has been one of the only mainstream programs to give more than passing mention of a growing threat to America and Democracy:
The so-called "Dominionist" movement(s), which overlap and intersect with "Apostolics" such as Elder.
While just a few years ago, this Pentecostal charlatan was one of hundreds of preachers running around screaming End Times rhetoric, he has now emerged as a leading figure with formidable ties to the Republican Party.
Engle's "Call to Conscience" revivalist-like ministry (and movement) gave rise to "The Call," prayer meetings led by Engle's ministry, but joined by other Christian pastors in the US. The meetings request prayer and fasting by Christians in protest to legislation such as same-sex marriage, and healthcare reform.
While the term "Dominionism" is the subject of some controversy, it has been widely used, and serves to neatly label and group a broad range of similar Christian belief systems and groups with one umbrella term that codifies a majority of their views, politics, and activities. I apologize to the the students of Christian theology who might object to this broad brush, but there are just too many aspects of this issue for any dozen posts of this type. Some kind of condensing is required to make these issues even marginally comprehensible to most of the citizens who are threatened by these Christian Zealots.
i recognized you as a nutjob fanatic from your first day.
and all your violent rhetoric and bull** perfectionism garbage.
then your endorsment of this evil Lou Engle NAR (satanist) tells it all).
remember i said i could demolish your fake persona? GET READY.
if there's anyone at all ont hsi forum who cares about who these people are and what their goal is, i've got a million threads, and you've seen them come and go.
there's also your own renwed mind and a search engine.
if you don't care, and ocntinue to give aid and support, physical or spiritual to these creeps, join the antichrist hordes that have invaded the church exactly as prophesied.
keep 'em, see what happens to yourchurch: resist the, put on your armour. ignore them, well, that's the popular thing isn't it. YOU ALL WHO SAID AND DID NOTHING AND DIDN'T STUDY AND PRAY HAVE LET THIS HAPPEN, AND YOU YOURSELVES WILL DEAL WITH IT. it's going to DESTROY your church.
i thank GOD that by His Grace and faithfulness i'm in that tiny handful of protestants who know what's going on (see Noahide Pledge thread: Khazars podcast if you care at all).
me whether i choose to post again or not, i'll fight these demonic creeps to my last breath.
call ME JEZEBEL....that's their favourite toy.
CHOOSE THIS DAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE : JESUS CHRIST OR THESE PROPHETS OF BAAL sent to do exactly what they've done (or not).
4runner: YOU AND YOUR CAN BRING IT ON YOU WIMP. GOD WILL DESTROY EVERY PLAN YOU HAVE. you're not a christian at all. i knew that from your first post.
if i feel like it later i'm going to show what BLACK SOCITIES THESE GUYS COME FROM.
what fun 4runner.
Meet Lou Engle: The Apostolic Elder
A religious extremist from a dangerous cult, now being invited regularly to Republican Party events. Oilwellian and I assembled this quick and dirty video montage, just to give you a sense of this con-man and his church of hate, overflowing with incredible levels of Christian demagoguery. revivalist chicanery, and raw political ambition.
But he's merely a taste of what underlies the core beliefs of Sarah Palin and millions of others who invest in these Pentecostal snake oil salesmen. Unfortunately, they aren't merely a curiosity anymore. They are getting too close to power for that. They are now officially scary.
The Purpose of This Primer
As with many of my primers, my goal is not to provide a definitive resource. Rather, I want to provide starting points for others to travel. It is always my hope that one guide leads to another, and it to another, and so on, until perhaps someone can find and reveal some truth.
Christian reformations of all kinds, especially Dominionism and it's variants, are a complex subject, but the more we know about them, the easier they are to track, and prevent from gaining any more power in our political system than they already have.
Starting from Lou Engle, I want to build this primer as a road map of where you can find the best info about these dangerous movements, and what we must do to guard against their ruinous influence in our politics. It's not an easy task, and this is merely a start. I plan to enlist friends like @karoli, who has a great deal of knowledge about these Christian movements, and others who I hope will come forward to help.
Please review these links and articles, and post to the comments anything you feel should be included. Please check back often for changes.
Back Story
The Rachel Maddow show has been one of the only mainstream programs to give more than passing mention of a growing threat to America and Democracy:
The so-called "Dominionist" movement(s), which overlap and intersect with "Apostolics" such as Elder.
While just a few years ago, this Pentecostal charlatan was one of hundreds of preachers running around screaming End Times rhetoric, he has now emerged as a leading figure with formidable ties to the Republican Party.
Engle's "Call to Conscience" revivalist-like ministry (and movement) gave rise to "The Call," prayer meetings led by Engle's ministry, but joined by other Christian pastors in the US. The meetings request prayer and fasting by Christians in protest to legislation such as same-sex marriage, and healthcare reform.
While the term "Dominionism" is the subject of some controversy, it has been widely used, and serves to neatly label and group a broad range of similar Christian belief systems and groups with one umbrella term that codifies a majority of their views, politics, and activities. I apologize to the the students of Christian theology who might object to this broad brush, but there are just too many aspects of this issue for any dozen posts of this type. Some kind of condensing is required to make these issues even marginally comprehensible to most of the citizens who are threatened by these Christian Zealots.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
xtian dominionists and the NAR creeps are from the secret societies and are not christians at all.
i'll offer documentation later, if i feel lkie it. or search yourself, if you haven't already figured it out.
THEY ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS.
and some of their orders/lodges exist only to do the killing (of you) when the time comes.
are you surpried, christian?
maybe you never got around to reading what is going to happen, and is already here.
see ya.
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
xtian dominionists and the NAR creeps are from the secret societies and are not christians at all.
i'll offer documentation later, if i feel lkie it. or search yourself, if you haven't already figured it out.
THEY ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS.
and some of their orders/lodges exist only to do the killing (of you) when the time comes.
are you surpried, christian?
maybe you never got around to reading what is going to happen, and is already here.
see ya.
The fact that you accuse every true bible believing Christian of being in some extremist cult shows who you are. An accuser of the brethren. you are your fathers daughter indeed.
The more you rage against NAR ect... the more i believe there must be some truth there as Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself will not stabnd.
You an agent of Satan would not rage against something that is from Satan
The more you rage against NAR ect... the more i believe there must be some truth there as Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself will not stabnd.
You an agent of Satan would not rage against something that is from Satan
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seriously 4runner you would support an idea just because Zone is against it?
just because you have an obsession that Zone is Satan?
wow.
Zone is against Satanic Child abuse and rape, are you then for that too?
I don't agree with everything Zone posts but neither do I allow hatred and pride to so blind me and make such illogical statements.
Either you have allowed your flesh to speak or you do not have discernment of what spiritual warfare truly entitles.
why do the demons fall down and worship Jesus in Fear throughout the book of Mark?
just because you have an obsession that Zone is Satan?
wow.
Zone is against Satanic Child abuse and rape, are you then for that too?
I don't agree with everything Zone posts but neither do I allow hatred and pride to so blind me and make such illogical statements.
Either you have allowed your flesh to speak or you do not have discernment of what spiritual warfare truly entitles.
why do the demons fall down and worship Jesus in Fear throughout the book of Mark?
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that she is willing to do more research then you seem willing to do. what do you know of the man except for a book? what do you know about Zone except for your preconceived notions?
can you really make a fair and just judgement by refusing to even learn about what is being discussed?
It is illogical and NOT based on godly discernment but pride.
learn what dominionism is first and then speak if you are for or against it.
It does not matter if you are for or against Zone since you are not GOD and do not have the power to judge people.
Jesus instructed His disciples through paul to make captive ever THOUGHT that wars against the knowledge of Christ. He said our war was Spiritual NOT carnal.
why do you bother speaking when you don't even know the subject you speak upon?
Please stop insulting me and telling me that I lack discernment when you lack even the courtesy to learn about the topic being discussed.
can you really make a fair and just judgement by refusing to even learn about what is being discussed?
It is illogical and NOT based on godly discernment but pride.
learn what dominionism is first and then speak if you are for or against it.
It does not matter if you are for or against Zone since you are not GOD and do not have the power to judge people.
Jesus instructed His disciples through paul to make captive ever THOUGHT that wars against the knowledge of Christ. He said our war was Spiritual NOT carnal.
why do you bother speaking when you don't even know the subject you speak upon?
Please stop insulting me and telling me that I lack discernment when you lack even the courtesy to learn about the topic being discussed.
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sorry 4runner I can't support a guy who says we should pass "kill the guys" bills....
Waymon Hudson: American Evangelical Lou Engle Promotes 'Kill the Gays' Bill at Sunday's Rally in Uganda
The New York Times reported that Engle came out strongly in support of the Ugandan anti-gay efforts:
When he [Engle] took the stage late on Sunday afternoon, with Ugandan politicians and pastors looking on, he praised the country's "courage" and "righteousness" in promoting the bill.
ignorance is not an excuse. everyone should pray before they speak or act and ask God's will in ALL things.
anyway I will listen and research this individual who has affected your doctrine...
Waymon Hudson: American Evangelical Lou Engle Promotes 'Kill the Gays' Bill at Sunday's Rally in Uganda
The New York Times reported that Engle came out strongly in support of the Ugandan anti-gay efforts:
When he [Engle] took the stage late on Sunday afternoon, with Ugandan politicians and pastors looking on, he praised the country's "courage" and "righteousness" in promoting the bill.
ignorance is not an excuse. everyone should pray before they speak or act and ask God's will in ALL things.
anyway I will listen and research this individual who has affected your doctrine...
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i found this sermon and thread of interest for those also researching...
"The Call" lou engle, damon thompson, mike bickle
"The Call" lou engle, damon thompson, mike bickle
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mmmm "the Call" and Lou Engle is linked to the "IHOP" thingie and complimentive prayer movement????.....
"Taking things that are not of God and saying are of God is wrong and the men that do these things are False and are not to be followed. Regardless of how Holy they make themselves appear. If you can't see that then you have fallen into deception as well.
If you want you can go to the IHOP site and it will give you a step by step guide on how to practice complmentive prayer. I won't post that link. All you'll end up getting if you practice that prayer is a spirit guide and this is where you know get all this Angels appearing to people. It's of the Devil and the sad thing is some would defend it.
IHOP is one of the vilest forms of apostasy.
So subtle yet so vile.
Wake Up
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Colin Robert Murray
Rev 15:2And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."
"Taking things that are not of God and saying are of God is wrong and the men that do these things are False and are not to be followed. Regardless of how Holy they make themselves appear. If you can't see that then you have fallen into deception as well.
If you want you can go to the IHOP site and it will give you a step by step guide on how to practice complmentive prayer. I won't post that link. All you'll end up getting if you practice that prayer is a spirit guide and this is where you know get all this Angels appearing to people. It's of the Devil and the sad thing is some would defend it.
IHOP is one of the vilest forms of apostasy.
So subtle yet so vile.
Wake Up
_________________
Colin Robert Murray
Rev 15:2And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God."
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yes heaven forbid you quote something from a website discussing the issues.....
Zone is not my mother, I do not worship her and I do not believe everything she post but neither do I BLINDLY defend people and movements I have not spent enough time to learn about, unless of course you are apart of the Ihop movement then instead of going off on some self righteous vent you could have responded with some positive testimony of what "good fruit" they have actually born.
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of course that might be too rational and courteous for some.
Zone is not my mother, I do not worship her and I do not believe everything she post but neither do I BLINDLY defend people and movements I have not spent enough time to learn about, unless of course you are apart of the Ihop movement then instead of going off on some self righteous vent you could have responded with some positive testimony of what "good fruit" they have actually born.
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of course that might be too rational and courteous for some.
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