-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
L
I cant believe the way you people twist stuff lol. If you recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit and start speaking with other tongues how is this "seeking proof of God, and His Holy Spirit thru supernatural signs?? You have no idea of the motive of those who experience these things, and obviously have no idea what the gift of tongues is and what it is for - obviously it has a purpose otherwise the early church would not have experienced it, it has the same purpose today.
L
Yeah I guess Gabriel spoke to Daniel in some supernatural tongue. Or the "angel of the Lord" spoke to men in some mysterious language.
Not only this. Again 4 runner is found twisting scripture. Paul never claimed to speak in the tongue of angels. He said "IF" I speak the tongue of angels of men
The greek word is.
ἐάν
a conditional particle (derived fr. εἰ ἄν
, which makes reference to time and to experience, introducing something future, but not determining, before the event, whether it is certainly to take place; if, in case
Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Being Grimm's Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (162). New York: Harper & Brothers.
Paul was making a statement of fact. Even IF he spoke on the tongue of angels. If he did not have love, he was like a cymbal or brass instrument which was making noise, and not music. It would be worthless.
This is much different than claiming to speaking this way!
Some people may just never get it.
Not only this. Again 4 runner is found twisting scripture. Paul never claimed to speak in the tongue of angels. He said "IF" I speak the tongue of angels of men
The greek word is.
ἐάν
a conditional particle (derived fr. εἰ ἄν
, which makes reference to time and to experience, introducing something future, but not determining, before the event, whether it is certainly to take place; if, in caseThayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Being Grimm's Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (162). New York: Harper & Brothers.
Paul was making a statement of fact. Even IF he spoke on the tongue of angels. If he did not have love, he was like a cymbal or brass instrument which was making noise, and not music. It would be worthless.
This is much different than claiming to speaking this way!
Some people may just never get it.
For paul to distinguished between the tongues of angels and the tongues of men would indicate some difference?
You are in this trend and anyone that does not agree with you is going to be considered demonic. You have already begun. To you, those that believe that God saves forever those that He has justified by grace, they are deceived and demonic. Anyone that believes that Christ is coming back for the church prior to the great trib is in deception and is demonic. Everyone that does not line up with whatever doctrine you believe is demonic and probably not saved. That's what all this leads to, the person is deceived and is not saved and they are a heretic. We all become deceived heretics in the imagination of your mind because you can't stand being rejected by those you consider to be fools. You do not have the authority of grace active in your heart and you despise those that do. You are a very petty man that is learning to be a trouble-maker because you are troubled in your heart. Anyone that would read your posts who has their heart established in grace in truth would discern this about you in a heartbeat.
I did not say they were not needed in the will of God, but they are not given for us to depend upon and replace our trust in Christ and His word or to be used as a badge and validation of spirituality in any form. The permanent gifts that are given to us such as; the righteousness of God, eternal life, the Holy Spirit and the incorruptible seed of the word, can not be taken from us because they have been divinely imputed to us. The other gifts of the Spirit given by grace to the members of the church are all temporary and have their purpose and place in the plan and will of God but will all pass away.
C
That's the problem best of times, unless someone articulates it all it gets confusing to say the least. That's why half the time after I read posts I have to remind myself He is alive and well. When people just come out with a one line comment that it's not so it just like discounts everything good found in Him.
We are good at denouncing something yet tear down the whole thing from poor communication.
We are good at denouncing something yet tear down the whole thing from poor communication.
i had another look at your signature.
"Out of the fires of hardship will come many Sons, all individual expressions of their God."
seems its popular with the new mystics (just more NAR stuff), who will be covered in my new thread.
here's one group that uses your sig.
Soaking with a Purpose Soaking
http://www.marylindow.com/
we'll have a good look at "soaking" and The International Prophetic Mentoring Council.
sample of the insider lingo these subversive groups use:
Dear *****
YOU SAID:
"God is a restorer of the hearts of the children to the Father, Jesus is the
first of many brothers. He is ministering in the spirit and power of Elijah
through many who have been in the process of being prepared, cleansed
and purified to the extent that He might minister through them in purity
and in a restorative and equipping manner."
This is a most powerful and is spoken through the Spirit of the Lord.
The Father looks deeply into the intent of all hearts, to see whether or not
they are serving Him in life's assignments because of His grace and
mercy, or because of a need to be validated in and by the Body. A very
fine line at times, and only Father sees deeply beyond all explanations,
cloaking and fear!
May the Fathers and Mothers in the faith in all generations, be
continually stirred to train up those whom the Lord sends to them, in the
depth of selflessness, pure motive, and mercy towards those still not yet
able to run the race with a sure foot.
Great insights and writing here Denise! Bless you for risking all for Jesus.
In His Shadow,
Mary Lindow
www.marylindow.com
~
thanks for the help LifeLife or whatever your name is.
see you at the new thread exposing THESE NAR GUYS.
your adversary,
zone
"Out of the fires of hardship will come many Sons, all individual expressions of their God."
seems its popular with the new mystics (just more NAR stuff), who will be covered in my new thread.
here's one group that uses your sig.
Soaking with a Purpose Soaking
http://www.marylindow.com/
we'll have a good look at "soaking" and The International Prophetic Mentoring Council.
sample of the insider lingo these subversive groups use:
Dear *****
YOU SAID:
"God is a restorer of the hearts of the children to the Father, Jesus is the
first of many brothers. He is ministering in the spirit and power of Elijah
through many who have been in the process of being prepared, cleansed
and purified to the extent that He might minister through them in purity
and in a restorative and equipping manner."
This is a most powerful and is spoken through the Spirit of the Lord.
The Father looks deeply into the intent of all hearts, to see whether or not
they are serving Him in life's assignments because of His grace and
mercy, or because of a need to be validated in and by the Body. A very
fine line at times, and only Father sees deeply beyond all explanations,
cloaking and fear!
May the Fathers and Mothers in the faith in all generations, be
continually stirred to train up those whom the Lord sends to them, in the
depth of selflessness, pure motive, and mercy towards those still not yet
able to run the race with a sure foot.
Great insights and writing here Denise! Bless you for risking all for Jesus.
In His Shadow,
Mary Lindow
www.marylindow.com
~
thanks for the help LifeLife or whatever your name is.
see you at the new thread exposing THESE NAR GUYS.
your adversary,
zone
A
?? I didn't even know what cessationist were until I meet you zone and don't know much about montanism either ...
google definition:
"Montanism was an early Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy. It originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, leading to the movement being referred to elsewhere as Cataphrygian (meaning it was "from Phrygia") or simply as "Phrygians". It spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
Although it came to be labelled a heresy, the movement held similar views about the basic tenets of Christian doctrine to those of the wider Christian Church. It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and a more conservative personal ethic. Parallels have been drawn between Montanism and modern day movements such as Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.[1]"
Montanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
this thread has gone downhill quick. what is the point of all this fighting?
Is it really a good testimony to the world of the Spirit of God that lives inside MATURE Christians?
Are we told to judge who are the tares or the wheat Zone?
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
love you Zone, though we do not agree on this point about the spiritual gifts, what they are and how they function in the church.
I think we both try out best to follow Jesus and when it comes to Judgement day it does not matter how we agree with each other but how we follow God and His plan for our lives.
I don't know I think all discussion should be with a level of respect or I refuse to engage in the conversation. Life is too short and God has too much planned for us to waste in idle useless chatter with people who do not respect or listen to our words.
Sometimes all we can do is pray and allow God to reveal the truth. Sometimes God moves in our heart to speak out against their lies and sometimes God tells us to remain silent and speak only to the brethren. For it is not only WHAT is said that is important to God but WHY it is said, HOW it is said, TO Whom it is said and WHEN it is said for motivation, manner, person and timing are all vital for any message to go pass the superficial into the heart and break free the chains of darkness in the hearts of those whom Satan holds captive.
The key of prophecy is testimony of Jesus Christ and His purpose on Earth is not to condemn but FREE people from sin and the law of sin so that they might know the Law of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God might teach and edify them and make them able to follow God's will and show God's love to the world.
anyway I've got to get the kids ready for church. ttyl.
oh for those who are condescending and prideful in their hearts about what they perceive my "lack of discernment" as some call it. I suggest you read again who God allows the rain to fall upon and who God say to bless and love.
Is God's love unconditional or not?
Is your love for the people of the world a reflection of God's?
google definition:
"Montanism was an early Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy. It originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, leading to the movement being referred to elsewhere as Cataphrygian (meaning it was "from Phrygia") or simply as "Phrygians". It spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
Although it came to be labelled a heresy, the movement held similar views about the basic tenets of Christian doctrine to those of the wider Christian Church. It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and a more conservative personal ethic. Parallels have been drawn between Montanism and modern day movements such as Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.[1]"
Montanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
this thread has gone downhill quick. what is the point of all this fighting?
Is it really a good testimony to the world of the Spirit of God that lives inside MATURE Christians?
Are we told to judge who are the tares or the wheat Zone?
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
love you Zone, though we do not agree on this point about the spiritual gifts, what they are and how they function in the church.
I think we both try out best to follow Jesus and when it comes to Judgement day it does not matter how we agree with each other but how we follow God and His plan for our lives.
I don't know I think all discussion should be with a level of respect or I refuse to engage in the conversation. Life is too short and God has too much planned for us to waste in idle useless chatter with people who do not respect or listen to our words.
Sometimes all we can do is pray and allow God to reveal the truth. Sometimes God moves in our heart to speak out against their lies and sometimes God tells us to remain silent and speak only to the brethren. For it is not only WHAT is said that is important to God but WHY it is said, HOW it is said, TO Whom it is said and WHEN it is said for motivation, manner, person and timing are all vital for any message to go pass the superficial into the heart and break free the chains of darkness in the hearts of those whom Satan holds captive.
The key of prophecy is testimony of Jesus Christ and His purpose on Earth is not to condemn but FREE people from sin and the law of sin so that they might know the Law of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God might teach and edify them and make them able to follow God's will and show God's love to the world.
anyway I've got to get the kids ready for church. ttyl.
oh for those who are condescending and prideful in their hearts about what they perceive my "lack of discernment" as some call it. I suggest you read again who God allows the rain to fall upon and who God say to bless and love.
Is God's love unconditional or not?
Is your love for the people of the world a reflection of God's?
Last edited:
?? I didn't even know what cessationist were until I meet you zone and don't know much about montanism either ...
google definition:
"Montanism was an early Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy. It originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, leading to the movement being referred to elsewhere as Cataphrygian (meaning it was "from Phrygia") or simply as "Phrygians". It spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
Although it came to be labelled a heresy, the movement held similar views about the basic tenets of Christian doctrine to those of the wider Christian Church. It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and a more conservative personal ethic. Parallels have been drawn between Montanism and modern day movements such as Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.[1]"
Montanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
this thread has gone downhill quick. what is the point of all this fighting?
Is it really a good testimony to the world of the Spirit of God that lives inside MATURE Christians?
Are we told to judge who are the tares or the wheat Zone?
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
love you Zone, though we do not agree on this point about the spiritual gifts, what they are and how they function in the church.
I think we both try out best to follow Jesus and when it comes to Judgement day it does not matter how we agree with each other but how we follow God and His plan for our lives.
I don't know I think all discussion should be with a level of respect or I refuse to engage in the conversation. Life is too short and God has too much planned for us to waste in idle useless chatter with people who do not respect or listen to our words.
Sometimes all we can do is pray and allow God to reveal the truth. Sometimes God moves in our heart to speak out against their lies and sometimes God tells us to remain silent and speak only to the brethren. For it is not only WHAT is said that is important to God but WHY it is said, HOW it is said, TO Whom it is said and WHEN it is said for motivation, manner, person and timing are all vital for any message to go pass the superficial into the heart and break free the chains of darkness in the hearts of those whom Satan holds captive.
The key of prophecy is testimony of Jesus Christ and His purpose on Earth is not to condemn but FREE people from sin and the law of sin so that they might know the Law of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God might teach and edify them and make them able to follow God's will and show God's love to the world.
anyway I've got to get the kids ready for church. ttyl.
oh for those who are condescending and prideful in their hearts about what they perceive my "lack of discernment" as some call it. I suggest you read again who God allows the rain to fall upon and who God say to bless and love.
Is God's love unconditional or not?
Is your love for the people of the world a reflection of God's?
google definition:
"Montanism was an early Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy. It originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, leading to the movement being referred to elsewhere as Cataphrygian (meaning it was "from Phrygia") or simply as "Phrygians". It spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
Although it came to be labelled a heresy, the movement held similar views about the basic tenets of Christian doctrine to those of the wider Christian Church. It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and a more conservative personal ethic. Parallels have been drawn between Montanism and modern day movements such as Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.[1]"
Montanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
this thread has gone downhill quick. what is the point of all this fighting?
Is it really a good testimony to the world of the Spirit of God that lives inside MATURE Christians?
Are we told to judge who are the tares or the wheat Zone?
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
love you Zone, though we do not agree on this point about the spiritual gifts, what they are and how they function in the church.
I think we both try out best to follow Jesus and when it comes to Judgement day it does not matter how we agree with each other but how we follow God and His plan for our lives.
I don't know I think all discussion should be with a level of respect or I refuse to engage in the conversation. Life is too short and God has too much planned for us to waste in idle useless chatter with people who do not respect or listen to our words.
Sometimes all we can do is pray and allow God to reveal the truth. Sometimes God moves in our heart to speak out against their lies and sometimes God tells us to remain silent and speak only to the brethren. For it is not only WHAT is said that is important to God but WHY it is said, HOW it is said, TO Whom it is said and WHEN it is said for motivation, manner, person and timing are all vital for any message to go pass the superficial into the heart and break free the chains of darkness in the hearts of those whom Satan holds captive.
The key of prophecy is testimony of Jesus Christ and His purpose on Earth is not to condemn but FREE people from sin and the law of sin so that they might know the Law of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God might teach and edify them and make them able to follow God's will and show God's love to the world.
anyway I've got to get the kids ready for church. ttyl.
oh for those who are condescending and prideful in their hearts about what they perceive my "lack of discernment" as some call it. I suggest you read again who God allows the rain to fall upon and who God say to bless and love.
Is God's love unconditional or not?
Is your love for the people of the world a reflection of God's?
Sometimes, in the plan of God and through the work of God, believers need to be torn or break down before they can receive edification God's way (Eccl 3:3). God tears them down and rebuilds them through edification. The process of tearing down is one of reaction, negativity and destruction to humble the believer so they can begin to receive grace and be built up in Christ without leaven or false understanding that they have received through religious practices of doctrine that come from humanism and not from the righteousness of God. If God tears down someone before your eyes know that he has a plan to build them up. That is what discernment and hope is all about. Don't judge or be negative if God does this, just respond by faith to the promises of God and minister grace when it's time. Most of the time we just stay out of it and let God His perfect work, even if that work includes much temptation in the tearing down process. (Jm 1:4).
A
??? are you talking to me Red? I don't have anyone on ignore??/
anyway just got back from church it was interesting.
the pastor said he had the gift of prophecy and discernment. wonder what he means by it. I guess i'm going to have to do some more research into Wesley and the Methodist church.
the sermon was about whether or not women should be allowed to preach based on Paul's words about women not speaking in church. He said it was taken out of context and the church stance is that women are allowed and he co-preached with a woman minister and she said that Wesley ordained two women very early in church history.
anyway just got back from church it was interesting.
the pastor said he had the gift of prophecy and discernment. wonder what he means by it. I guess i'm going to have to do some more research into Wesley and the Methodist church.
the sermon was about whether or not women should be allowed to preach based on Paul's words about women not speaking in church. He said it was taken out of context and the church stance is that women are allowed and he co-preached with a woman minister and she said that Wesley ordained two women very early in church history.
Originally Posted by zone
are cessationists tares, ananda?
are cessationists tares, ananda?
Notice I didnt use the word ''masquerading'', because she doesnt do very good job hiding her intentions.
U
......and obviously have no idea what the gift of tongues was and what it was for - obviously it had a purpose otherwise the early church would not have experienced it, .......(if the church was still being established by the apostles and prophets of old thru signs and wonders), it would have the same purpose today (but it's not and it doesn't). I fixed it for you.
That's all folks. It's been a slice
I am thankful to not be on your ignore list. I mean that with all my heart. You have such a hunger for God's word and for the truth that is in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. That morning sermon was right up your alley. I am confident that you will always win out on the truth because your heart is after God. You might make mistakes on the way (we all do), but you will go after God until you get it right. God will always honor that kind of heart that is after Him. Don't forget to alway receive grace and give yourself grace on the way, so that if you stumble you fall into grace. That's a good way to be restored and there is no condemnation in it either.
Divisions and separations are most objectionable in religion. They weaken the cause of true Christianity...But before we blame people for them, we must be careful that we lay the blame where it is deserved. False doctrine and heresy are even worse than schism. If people separate themselves from teaching that is positively false and unscriptural, they ought to be praised rather than reproved. In such cases separation is a virtue and not a sin.
- JC Ryle, Warnings To The Churches
"Bad theology will eventually hurt people and dishonor God in proportion to its badness." - John Piper (A Godward Life Volume Two, pg. 377)
"Compare Scripture with Scripture. False doctrines, like false witnesses, agree not among themselves."
-William Gurnall
i'll have your cult exposed before i take leave.
- JC Ryle, Warnings To The Churches
"Bad theology will eventually hurt people and dishonor God in proportion to its badness." - John Piper (A Godward Life Volume Two, pg. 377)
"Compare Scripture with Scripture. False doctrines, like false witnesses, agree not among themselves."
-William Gurnall
i'll have your cult exposed before i take leave.