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Well that is completely untrue. Electro-Magnetic radiation/radio and SCALAR or plasmic energy waves generated, transmitted, propagated, reflected or otherwise articulated into a focused beam or pattern. These include: microwave, Extreme Low Frequency, Extreme High Frequency spectrum, all energies travelling through the atmosphere, bedrock, or oceans reflected back to the planet surfaces. Doing so would result in total and cumulative radiation dosage to Humans and the Enviroment. The use of such technology exceeds pre-set EMR thresholds and limitations and is banned from use.
How about a little MRI scanning before to locate every atom in your body before direct energy beam dislocates them and sending them all in opposties directions at close to the speed of light.
Just idea, you may want to start with Nikola Tesla for an understanding of electro-magnetics, but I would urge caution as even researching such energy may result in a lengthy prison term or a large fine, just because it's not on the front pages of the NYT does not mean it does not exist.
How about a little MRI scanning before to locate every atom in your body before direct energy beam dislocates them and sending them all in opposties directions at close to the speed of light.
Just idea, you may want to start with Nikola Tesla for an understanding of electro-magnetics, but I would urge caution as even researching such energy may result in a lengthy prison term or a large fine, just because it's not on the front pages of the NYT does not mean it does not exist.
I really could care less HOW GOD did it, all I know is that HE did it.
This reminds me of that verse where it says "If you pull a dogs ears, you will only get bite".
Let me also remind you, that at one time, they really thought the earth was flat and wanted to kill the guy for saying it was not.
They proved mathmatically at one point in our history that we could never fly.
The arrogant knowledge of man, is foolishness to God.
This reminds me of that verse where it says "If you pull a dogs ears, you will only get bite".
Let me also remind you, that at one time, they really thought the earth was flat and wanted to kill the guy for saying it was not.
They proved mathmatically at one point in our history that we could never fly.
The arrogant knowledge of man, is foolishness to God.
You stated that EM is infinitely stronger than gravity. Yet the same magnet which can pick up a paper clip, defying gravity, cannot pick up a human. Therefore gravity is stronger on the human. Even if you put a human near a supermagnet, it would not do much at all. Any energy generated that you mentioned ,eg microwaves, may harm the cellular structure in the body, but it will not cause the human body to be pushed or pulled in any direction.
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'Snail your horse-shoe magnet is not the whole extent of electro-magnetic energy, ahhh actually forget it, we are getting off track...lets get back to proving evolution to be a bunch of silly immature bunkim for spiritual babies. But do check out Tesla when you have time and direct energy beams, you have a lot to learn.
The Tesla stuff is mostly conspiracy theory and myth. Energy weapons can only destroy atomic or molecular structures, electrocute a living person, cause pain (due to heat) in a person (eg microwave weapons), destroying or interfering with electronic devices , communications etc... heating and electrocution are the main effects. Yet if you know anything about energy or EM , even it is subject to the force of gravity. An energy beam directed over a large distance will need to take into account the effect of gravity. Gravity also affects mass-less particles which have momentum.
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Which evolution seems to insist as a fact that dinosaurs were wiped out way before man came unto the scene as in hundreds of millions of years gap.
Truly wonder by that gap if even fossilized bones would still be remaining today because how time and the elements can erode even rocks presently.
Lotus leaves? Where did you get that? What Bible version are you using?
Job 40: 15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
It didn't say it hid them, but the shadows covered them. Willows of the brook can surround them. How much is that to surround them? Anmd the tail moving like a cedar which is a tree points to size.
If it was taken in 1925, then as we know of dying rare species in the earth, so are the dinosaurs, obviously.
Truly wonder by that gap if even fossilized bones would still be remaining today because how time and the elements can erode even rocks presently.
Lotus leaves? Where did you get that? What Bible version are you using?
Job 40: 15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
It didn't say it hid them, but the shadows covered them. Willows of the brook can surround them. How much is that to surround them? Anmd the tail moving like a cedar which is a tree points to size.
If it was taken in 1925, then as we know of dying rare species in the earth, so are the dinosaurs, obviously.
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'Snail give up trawling the web for tidbits, you are clearly out of your depth, if you wish to investigate EM then do it in your own time please, as I have hinted on the dangers of such research, I have explained to you as much as I am willing to do so for the benefit of the thread, but I really cannot go any further on this subject, so please lets get back to evolution and its failures, I have no interest in discussing Tesla or EM with you or anybody else further then what I have siad also pointing out and for the record that that my statements on EM on this Forum were purely for educational purposes and theoretical discourse and I have no intention to take the discussion any further in regard to that matter. Thankyou.
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Hello Pogrod,
I don't focus very much on scientific arguments for creationsim (I think I mentioned why earlier), but the best evidence I've seen has been in referring to bacterium flagellum. Some extreme applications of this have been debunked, but the core statemen that evolution is currently unable to explain the development of this locomotive device is still valid I believe.
Does this point to God? Not necessarily.
Does it say that the theory of evolution by natural selection may have flaws? Yes.
I don't focus very much on scientific arguments for creationsim (I think I mentioned why earlier), but the best evidence I've seen has been in referring to bacterium flagellum. Some extreme applications of this have been debunked, but the core statemen that evolution is currently unable to explain the development of this locomotive device is still valid I believe.
Does this point to God? Not necessarily.
Does it say that the theory of evolution by natural selection may have flaws? Yes.
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Hello Sleepsog4,
No, I'm not an evolutionist, I'm merely a follower of Jesus Christ, and it is him that I serve and follow. Please do not slander my name.
Here is the fullness of the text:
Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
No, I'm not an evolutionist, I'm merely a follower of Jesus Christ, and it is him that I serve and follow. Please do not slander my name.
Here is the fullness of the text:
Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
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evolution was created before man - Genesis 1:21 - but man was created in the image of The Elohim - Genesis 1:26!!! Creation could've taken 7 days, 7 years, or 7 millenia depending on the "context" of "EVERY" word! (2 Peter 3:8-10)! We must be ready for the return of The Most High (1 Thessalonians 5)!
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This whole discussion of Gravity+EM is getting off topic, I don't understand what relevance it has to the Evolution discussion (or any biblical discussion). Since you seem keen to make it an issue, I'll follow up on your 'Gravity is nonsense' thread.
Again, you've yet to provide a reasonable example for what this observable phenomena is. I've explained one reason that your probability calculation is wrong because it assumes it is all equally random.
I'm not sure you understand what infinity is. It's not possible to go beyond infinity. Besides, the period I'm talking about is billions of years - a finite number, and certainly a number within our comprehension.
I don't think my statement means what we observe isn't true. I had meant, that there is no reason why we needed to be exactly as we are today. We could have been taller, had less hair, had longer limbs, thicker skin etc. Your calculation for the probability of evolution, assumes we could not be any otherway. The heart of evolution, implies we COULD have turned out differently.
Yes, science (not evolution!) has evidence of such a gap. For the sake of following your agrument though, I said 'suppose'. Geology indicates that new layers of sediments are created on top of old ones (from things like decaying organisms, dust, volcanoes etc). That's why we need to dig down to go further back in history, and find fossils. It wasn't that someone was kind enough to dig them all graves. Some materials are eroded, whilst others are created. Even the eroded material has to go somewhere. Fossils are rocks, it takes a long time to create such rocks. These are reasons why fossils can be so old and not all be eroded (although some certainly have been).
That's from the American Standard Version. Both the plants and the tail description vary between versions. The 'tail like cedar' has been translated into "moved", "swayed", "carried" or "straight". I don't think you could deduce what the creature is from that with any certainty.
Sorry, are you saying there were dinosaurs in 1925?
A good question Dragoon9. You're quite right, Bacterial Flagellum up until the 90s was held up as being a possible counter example to evolution as something that could not have been formed by successive modifications. At that time it was a reasonable case. To put it in context though, it's evolutionary path was not studied in much detail until creationists began highlighting it as a counter example. Since then there has been research that indicates a common ancestor - something to do with T3SS proteins. This and other research indicates there are snapshots along such a evolutionary path, which considerably weakens its case as a counter example. It does not however YET explain the precise route taken. Further detail is probably beyond this forum, but if you want to read more, there is a short New Scientist article:
http://www.newscientist.com/article...the-evolution-of-the-bacterial-flagellum.html
Again, you've yet to provide a reasonable example for what this observable phenomena is. I've explained one reason that your probability calculation is wrong because it assumes it is all equally random.
I'm not sure you understand what infinity is. It's not possible to go beyond infinity. Besides, the period I'm talking about is billions of years - a finite number, and certainly a number within our comprehension.
I don't think my statement means what we observe isn't true. I had meant, that there is no reason why we needed to be exactly as we are today. We could have been taller, had less hair, had longer limbs, thicker skin etc. Your calculation for the probability of evolution, assumes we could not be any otherway. The heart of evolution, implies we COULD have turned out differently.
Yes, science (not evolution!) has evidence of such a gap. For the sake of following your agrument though, I said 'suppose'. Geology indicates that new layers of sediments are created on top of old ones (from things like decaying organisms, dust, volcanoes etc). That's why we need to dig down to go further back in history, and find fossils. It wasn't that someone was kind enough to dig them all graves. Some materials are eroded, whilst others are created. Even the eroded material has to go somewhere. Fossils are rocks, it takes a long time to create such rocks. These are reasons why fossils can be so old and not all be eroded (although some certainly have been).
That's from the American Standard Version. Both the plants and the tail description vary between versions. The 'tail like cedar' has been translated into "moved", "swayed", "carried" or "straight". I don't think you could deduce what the creature is from that with any certainty.
Sorry, are you saying there were dinosaurs in 1925?
A good question Dragoon9. You're quite right, Bacterial Flagellum up until the 90s was held up as being a possible counter example to evolution as something that could not have been formed by successive modifications. At that time it was a reasonable case. To put it in context though, it's evolutionary path was not studied in much detail until creationists began highlighting it as a counter example. Since then there has been research that indicates a common ancestor - something to do with T3SS proteins. This and other research indicates there are snapshots along such a evolutionary path, which considerably weakens its case as a counter example. It does not however YET explain the precise route taken. Further detail is probably beyond this forum, but if you want to read more, there is a short New Scientist article:
http://www.newscientist.com/article...the-evolution-of-the-bacterial-flagellum.html
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Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Im sure you get the picture ONE night and ONE morning equals ONE day of creation.NOT millions of evenings and millions of mornings.
God created the plants on the fourth day and the sun and stars only on the fifth day . How long do you think they would have survived without the sun ? Not millions of years.
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I think you've misunderstood what evolution is. Evolution describes how organisms change over time. It is not the same as 'God didn't create organisms'. In the KJV, relating to how vegetation was created, we have:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
This passage indicates that vegetation was created and how it would reproduce. It does not specify that it was fully formed, exactly how we experience today, never to change. Neither does it explicitly state that the vegetation was fully matured on that day - all that could be understood with complete certainty is that the creation of such were put into motion. If you interpret it as a fully formed, never to change, complete on that day, you're speculating.
The passage indicates that a day is one light and dark. How do you know this period of light and dark the same as the 24-hours we experience today? If the plants were not fully formed as we know them today, there is no reason why they needed light to survive.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
This passage indicates that vegetation was created and how it would reproduce. It does not specify that it was fully formed, exactly how we experience today, never to change. Neither does it explicitly state that the vegetation was fully matured on that day - all that could be understood with complete certainty is that the creation of such were put into motion. If you interpret it as a fully formed, never to change, complete on that day, you're speculating.
The passage indicates that a day is one light and dark. How do you know this period of light and dark the same as the 24-hours we experience today? If the plants were not fully formed as we know them today, there is no reason why they needed light to survive.
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