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No, what I said was correct, a mutation is a copying error in the sequence of DNA, Right!!
Copying errors due to mutation result in a loss of genetic information, Right!!!
100% of all mutations are harmful. There are no "beneficial mutations" except in Hollywood movies!
It would not even make much difference if it were 99.93% or 100%, the end result is statistically proven to be degenerative over time, but it is actually that all mutations are harmful, because after a mutation DNA is destroyed, you simply have less genetic information, than before, less genetic information = less complexity.
In regards to your bacteria example you are not factoring "antagonistic pleiotropy", which is the sacrifice of a systems and functions in for example E. Coli that are non-essential to the given enviroment when under stress. Imagine a sinking ship, the captain orders all non-essentials to be thrown overboard to reduce weight, to prevent the ship sinking he decides to sacrifice, he throws overboard all the supplies and all the food and half of his crew, and saves the ship. The ship is in a worse condition, and this is temporarly of benefit to the given enviroment, but it is enviromentally specific, the ship cannot operate as well as it could before, neither can in last as long in open water and any change of condition of the enviroment would now be even more detrimental to the life of the ship, overall the change is negative.
The E.Coli due to any mutation have not improved in any way they have just reduced their cellular functions to cope with stress, the organism is eliminating funtions in order to prolong life under the given enviroment, any change in enviroment and the any beneficial temporary gain is negated. Anti-biotic resistence often quoted by secular anti-christs as an example of "evolution" is in fact an example of "antagonistic pleiotropy"....A long term detrimental trade-off, no over-all improvement in the organism has taking place, simply a mutation under stress resulting in a loss of funtioning and genetic complexity.
Yes, it is a copying error.
But it does not result in a loss of information but in a CHANGE of information.
Take this binary code:
101001001010. Is the wrongly copyied code
101001001011 a loss of information or a change?
1010010 would be a loss.
And the stuff about pleiotropy, did you actually read something about that or did you just like the sound of the word? I remembered it from highschool and there we learned something completly different about that. I googled it, and turns out, you're wrong. Here is something about pleiotropy. It actually is a proof for evolution. Nice one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonistic_pleiotropy_hypothesis
I mean, come on, you can't be really serious. It's a different topic if life was created by evolution, but DENYING evolution is like denying... that humans breathe air or something. This is so completely irrelevant when it come to faith...
You should really read something about the matter before you comment on it.
Ah, by the way, a last question. I know you won't really answer it, but I am just curious what you will say:
If humans haven't evolved from lesser lifeforms, why do babies have gills when they are born?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudiment_(biology)
But it does not result in a loss of information but in a CHANGE of information.
Take this binary code:
101001001010. Is the wrongly copyied code
101001001011 a loss of information or a change?
1010010 would be a loss.
And the stuff about pleiotropy, did you actually read something about that or did you just like the sound of the word? I remembered it from highschool and there we learned something completly different about that. I googled it, and turns out, you're wrong. Here is something about pleiotropy. It actually is a proof for evolution. Nice one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonistic_pleiotropy_hypothesis
I mean, come on, you can't be really serious. It's a different topic if life was created by evolution, but DENYING evolution is like denying... that humans breathe air or something. This is so completely irrelevant when it come to faith...
You should really read something about the matter before you comment on it.
Ah, by the way, a last question. I know you won't really answer it, but I am just curious what you will say:
If humans haven't evolved from lesser lifeforms, why do babies have gills when they are born?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudiment_(biology)
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Firstly you can save your wikipedia disinformation for yourself, wikipedia is not legitimate source, it is a links page and popular opinion.
What I have stated is correct, and your promotion of false information from inadequate sources, is simply that.
Finally you begin to uncover your true feelings by suggesting that babies are born with fish gills and that humans are 'evolved' from 'lesser lifeforms', you say this because this is truely what you believe as you have been programmed from birth to believe this, and you pretend to be a Biblical Christian because it suits you to do so, but you are not a Christian, you are are secular indoctrinated anti-christ, in fact you are the very definition of an anti-christ, in that you call yourself a christian but deny the very fundemantals of Christianity, you even deny creation itself and promote the false idea of 'evolution', but you do not admit to this, because your thoughts actions and words and deeds all betray each other and youy are incapable of recognizing truth of any kind.
I have explained to you how genetic mutations work and I could explain to you how rudiment vistages work, I could scientifically elaborate on all these subjects, but that will not change your relationship to God, that will not change how you deny Him, I cannot change how the world has decieved you and lied to you, I cannot change the fact that you are an anti-christ who denys God's sovereign role in Creation.
What I have stated is correct, and your promotion of false information from inadequate sources, is simply that.
Finally you begin to uncover your true feelings by suggesting that babies are born with fish gills and that humans are 'evolved' from 'lesser lifeforms', you say this because this is truely what you believe as you have been programmed from birth to believe this, and you pretend to be a Biblical Christian because it suits you to do so, but you are not a Christian, you are are secular indoctrinated anti-christ, in fact you are the very definition of an anti-christ, in that you call yourself a christian but deny the very fundemantals of Christianity, you even deny creation itself and promote the false idea of 'evolution', but you do not admit to this, because your thoughts actions and words and deeds all betray each other and youy are incapable of recognizing truth of any kind.
I have explained to you how genetic mutations work and I could explain to you how rudiment vistages work, I could scientifically elaborate on all these subjects, but that will not change your relationship to God, that will not change how you deny Him, I cannot change how the world has decieved you and lied to you, I cannot change the fact that you are an anti-christ who denys God's sovereign role in Creation.
Thankyou Cup for your statement on genetic mutations. My youngest has a genetic delition and it has caused her many severe health issues. Why any one would think that Genetic changes would be a benifit is beyound me. Living with the effects is a true telling of the hardships it causes. God bless, pickles
I am sorry to hear that. As I stated, 99,93 of all mutations are destructive in nature. But if only one out of a million isn't there are 6000 people with positive mutations alive today.
I am not denying god, you are denying his incredibly intelligent design by simplifying it to a level where it fits into your individual antiquated believes.
I am not denying god, you are denying his incredibly intelligent design by simplifying it to a level where it fits into your individual antiquated believes.
So any positive mutations might increase a person's resistance to certain diseases.
Also, some disorders have side benefits. Multiple sclerosis for example, with the build up in bodies immunity makes the person less susceptible to colds/flus etc. But at the expense of the negative things with M.S. .
Also, some disorders have side benefits. Multiple sclerosis for example, with the build up in bodies immunity makes the person less susceptible to colds/flus etc. But at the expense of the negative things with M.S. .
So with a 99.93% failure rate, we could calculate the earth's population if only people with the 0.07% of positive mutations were allowed to live and the rest killed by hard-core evoluationists.
Earth's population is currently 6,774,729,435.
0.07% of that is 474 231 060.
Assume each of those remaining have 2.5 children each.
Earth's population is then 1 185 577 650.
Assume 99.93% of the children born are culled and the parents are still alive:
Leaves a population of 33 196 174 positively mutated children + 474 231 060 parents , equals a total population of 507 427 234.
So there would be a small steady increase initially in earth's population of a super-human evolved mutated race of people. Exponentially growing with yearly culls of badly mutated humans and the human population would be back to current capacity but with positive mutated people, within 200 years.
Earth's population is currently 6,774,729,435.
0.07% of that is 474 231 060.
Assume each of those remaining have 2.5 children each.
Earth's population is then 1 185 577 650.
Assume 99.93% of the children born are culled and the parents are still alive:
Leaves a population of 33 196 174 positively mutated children + 474 231 060 parents , equals a total population of 507 427 234.
So there would be a small steady increase initially in earth's population of a super-human evolved mutated race of people. Exponentially growing with yearly culls of badly mutated humans and the human population would be back to current capacity but with positive mutated people, within 200 years.
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That is true 'Snail, but someone with M.S. is not evolving, they are degenerating, there is no improvement in genetic information, no improvement in DNA systems or functioning, the effect on a human with M.S. is negative.
If I break my leg, I could say that it was a positive because I had more time to read, that is in essence what you are saying, however I am giving the exact definition of what a mutation is, it is the destruction and loss of genetic information, it results in less genetic complexity, not more, it is a copying error, a mistake, the result of the mistake is less, LESS, L-E-S-S functioning ability of the organism, less, do you underatand that word, it is the opposite to more, it is a retreat, not an advancement, if I blast you with high doses of nuclear radiation I will destroy some of your DNA sequences, and you will end up a mutant and pass of mutant genes to your children, if you are still capable of reproduction. You and your children will not gain special psychic abilities, you will not become like Wolverine from Hollywood, you will suffer, you will be less than you were before, you will be sicker, you will die younger, experience more pain and would be capable of far less than if you genetic information had retained intact, if you don't believe me, why not try it for yourself?
If I break my leg, I could say that it was a positive because I had more time to read, that is in essence what you are saying, however I am giving the exact definition of what a mutation is, it is the destruction and loss of genetic information, it results in less genetic complexity, not more, it is a copying error, a mistake, the result of the mistake is less, LESS, L-E-S-S functioning ability of the organism, less, do you underatand that word, it is the opposite to more, it is a retreat, not an advancement, if I blast you with high doses of nuclear radiation I will destroy some of your DNA sequences, and you will end up a mutant and pass of mutant genes to your children, if you are still capable of reproduction. You and your children will not gain special psychic abilities, you will not become like Wolverine from Hollywood, you will suffer, you will be less than you were before, you will be sicker, you will die younger, experience more pain and would be capable of far less than if you genetic information had retained intact, if you don't believe me, why not try it for yourself?
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Please provide evidence of the 'positive mutation' as none have ever been recorded, perhaps you know of one, that science is unaware of?
Your calculation is based of a mutant human, which has lost genetic information, an algae bloom might have high population numbers but it is not an example of a evolving complexity.
Your calculation is based of a mutant human, which has lost genetic information, an algae bloom might have high population numbers but it is not an example of a evolving complexity.
They are not gills they are pharyngeal arches that develop into parts of the face, middle ear canals and other parts.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c024.html
That belief comes from an erroneous theory about how the human embyro develops. Human embryos do not pass through "fish stages" they are human from the very first.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c024.html
That belief comes from an erroneous theory about how the human embyro develops. Human embryos do not pass through "fish stages" they are human from the very first.
just thought id throw this out there. somebody asked if there was a mutation with a positive result.
myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy
http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/myotonic-hypertrophy-makes-liam-hoekstra-worlds-strongest-boy
this kid has a genetic mutation that has given him unusually strong muscles and coordination. sounds pretty positive.
myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy
http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/myotonic-hypertrophy-makes-liam-hoekstra-worlds-strongest-boy
this kid has a genetic mutation that has given him unusually strong muscles and coordination. sounds pretty positive.
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