Who are the sons of God?

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Laodicea

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Genesis 6:2
(2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Who are the sons of God in this verse? Some claim this to be the sons of God?
Warrior777 said:
Just some short info:
Nephilim were real, they are the offspring from fallen angels (sons of God) and earthly women Gen 6:1-4. The term sons of God always refers to Angels in the OT - the same term appears again in Job which is definitely and undoubtedly talking about angels.
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But is that really the sons of God? Let us look at the Bible.
Genesis 4:16
(16) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Genesis 4:26
(26) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

These texts are telling us that Cain stopped following the Lord while Seth followed the Lord. Also Genesis 4 tells us Cain's line who did not follow the Lord while Genesis 5 tells us Seth's line who did follow the Lord. Then in Chapter 6 the 2 lines come together.

What about the texts in Job?
Job 1:6
(6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1
(1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7
(7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

These texts do not say that Satan was a son of God it says He came among the sons of God. So who are the sons of God in these verses? We need to go to other verses to find out.
Luke 3:38
(38) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Notice it says "the son of Enos" the son of Seth" but, Adam was the son of God. So since Adam was the first created on the earth and was the son of God then the sons of God in Job could be people on other worlds who were the first created on that world and Satan was the representative from earth.

Revelation 12:12
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Notice that it says rejoice ye heavens and woe to the earth
Genesis 1:1
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 2:1
(1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Notice that 1:1 says heaven while 2:1 says heavens that means that God created other worlds with people on them besides our own, the other worlds though did not fall into sin.









 
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Sons of God in the OT mean born of God. So, yes Adam was a son of God because he was born of God and not of woman. Likewise, angels are born of God too and they are the sons of God.

Be assured that it does mean that angels came to earth and procreated with human women. You can get a much better understanding of this account in the book of Enoch.
 
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EnlightenedInsanity said:
Sons of God in the OT mean born of God. So, yes Adam was a son of God because he was born of God and not of woman. Likewise, angels are born of God too and they are the sons of God.

Be assured that it does mean that angels came to earth and procreated with human women. You can get a much better understanding of this account in the book of Enoch.
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The book of Enoch is not part of the Bible so we cannot use that. Angels are not married so they do not procreate
 
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The book of Enoch used to be scripture but it was systematically removed from the pulpit by the snakes. It's actually mentioned in the bible if that helps. You can find it in Jude 1:14

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
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But you are free to believe whatever lies you wish.
 
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EnlightenedInsanity said:
The book of Enoch used to be scripture but it was systematically removed from the pulpit by the snakes. It's actually mentioned in the bible if that helps. You can find it in Jude 1:14



But you are free to believe whatever lies you wish.
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Is that the best you got? You can't show any Bible so you just tell me I am believing lies. Also the text in Jude says that Enoch prophesied but, it does not mention a book of Enoch. Here is a text for you:-
1 Thessalonians 5:21
(21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 
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What I posted was a quote from the book of Enoch. How would they get the quote if they weren't reading it themselves? It may not be cannon these days but that's not the way it always was. There are secrets in that book that the enemy does not want you to know.
 
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EnlightenedInsanity said:
What I posted was a quote from the book of Enoch. How would they get the quote if they weren't reading it themselves? It may not be cannon these days but that's not the way it always was. There are secrets in that book that the enemy does not want you to know.
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If the book of Enoch does not match the Bible then it is a fake.
 
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Like I said, continue believing whatever lies you want. The book of Enoch tells who the sons of God are, what they did, and that they are here on earth bound in darkness.

If you want to talk about fakes, where'd you pull this out of?

Notice that 1:1 says heaven while 2:1 says heavens that means that God created other worlds with people on them besides our own, the other worlds though did not fall into sin.
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Why don't you just read the book and pray for the spirit of discernment to guide you through the Holy Spirit instead of arguing about it not being scriptural just because your pastor says so or because you're too blind to see the truth?
 
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EnlightenedInsanity said:
Like I said, continue believing whatever lies you want. The book of Enoch tells who the sons of God are, what they did, and that they are here on earth bound in darkness.

If you want to talk about fakes, where'd you pull this out of?
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Like I said Is that the best you got? You can't show any Bible so you just tell me I am believing lies. Why don't you just read the bible and pray for the spirit of discernment to guide you through the Holy Spirit instead of arguing about it not being scriptural just because your pastor says so or because you're too blind to see the truth?
 
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EnlightenedInsanity said:
Why don't you just read the book and pray for the spirit of discernment to guide you through the Holy Spirit instead of arguing about it not being scriptural just because your pastor says so or because you're too blind to see the truth?
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Woah there...first of all there is no such thing as a spirit of discernment.
And it isnt gona come from prayer....discernment comes from scripture Hebrews 5:14

Lao isnt arguing...you are. And your casting insults. And your new. Hmmm

Listen the book of enoch talks of giants 450 feet tall...ok?
Now since the Holyspirit inspired all the biblical writers there was
no need to quote from a book. You cant prove!!! Jude did. So you
cant test this. So you cant prove it. Thats what Lao wants a proven and
testable understanding as He was exhorted to do in the scriptures. I want to obey
scriptures also.

Fine for you to have a speculation...we all can respect that...but
arguing and namecalling over an unproven speculation does not honor
God...And God is also aware you cant prove it. So slow down. ty
 
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Woah there...first of all there is no such thing as a spirit of discernment.
And it isnt gona come from prayer....discernment comes from scripture Hebrews 5:14

Lao isnt arguing...you are. And your casting insults. And your new. Hmmm

Listen the book of enoch talks of giants 450 feet tall...ok?
Now since the Holyspirit inspired all the biblical writers there was
no need to quote from a book. You cant prove!!! Jude did. So you
cant test this. So you cant prove it. Thats what Lao wants a proven and
testable understanding as He was exhorted to do in the scriptures. I want to obey
scriptures also.

Fine for you to have a speculation...we all can respect that...but
arguing and namecalling over an unproven speculation does not honor
God...And God is also aware you cant prove it. So slow down. ty
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Hi Abiding I have not read the book of Enoch but if it has 450 feet tall giants it is no wonder it is not part of the Bible. Goliath is called a giant and was 10-11 feet tall
 
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Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

I used to think Sons of God meant angels or something before I was able to understand the statement in bold above.

Mark 3:33-35 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

34And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Those who call upon the name of the Lord and do the will of God, those are sons (and daughters!) of God.

God Bless You
 
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The Bible never says they were angels. The word 'angel' is not in the text. I would agree that they were men. The importance of the story is the beginning of marriage and procreating on the Earth by mankind. It is telling us how marriage and childbearing began. The angels are not married or given in marriage, Matthew 22:30. They do not procreate. It is blaspheme to believe that angels even could procreate with women; we are not the same creation as the angels. Verse 3 of Genesis chapter 6 tells us that God was not angry with fallen angels but was angry with mankind. Giants are giant men that God created; the Bible does not mention angels in this text. I'm afraid too many people are playing the guessing game. You cannot just assume they were angels and add that to the Scripture. It is adding to the Bible to say they were angels.
 
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i have read the book of Enoch before and there is a scripture that says there were angels who left there proper domain which the angels left mortality and became flesh (mortal) and took woman unto themselves whomever they chose.

God has put them in chains, reserved for judgment still to come.

PS: i cannot guarantee that the book of Enoch is 100% legit though because it ain't in the bible for what ever reason i do not know.
 
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Laodicea said:
Genesis 6:2
(2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Who are the sons of God in this verse? Some claim this to be the sons of God?


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Originally Posted by Warrior777
Just some short info:
Nephilim were real, they are the offspring from fallen angels (sons of God) and earthly women Gen 6:1-4. The term sons of God always refers to Angels in the OT - the same term appears again in Job which is definitely and undoubtedly talking about angels.

But is that really the sons of God? Let us look at the Bible.
Genesis 4:16
(16) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Genesis 4:26
(26) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

These texts are telling us that Cain stopped following the Lord while Seth followed the Lord. Also Genesis 4 tells us Cain's line who did not follow the Lord while Genesis 5 tells us Seth's line who did follow the Lord. Then in Chapter 6 the 2 lines come together.

What about the texts in Job?
Job 1:6
(6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1
(1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7
(7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

These texts do not say that Satan was a son of God it says He came among the sons of God. So who are the sons of God in these verses? We need to go to other verses to find out.
Luke 3:38
(38) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Notice it says "the son of Enos" the son of Seth" but, Adam was the son of God. So since Adam was the first created on the earth and was the son of God then the sons of God in Job could be people on other worlds who were the first created on that world and Satan was the representative from earth.

Revelation 12:12
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Notice that it says rejoice ye heavens and woe to the earth
Genesis 1:1
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 2:1
(1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Notice that 1:1 says heaven while 2:1 says heavens that means that God created other worlds with people on them besides our own, the other worlds though did not fall into sin.
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Since you quoted me in your opening post and only took a little soundbite of what I was explaining I added the rest from the other thread here:

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Just some short info:
Nephilim were real, they are the offspring from fallen angels (sons of God) and earthly women Gen 6:1-4. The term sons of God always refers to Angels in the OT - the same term appears again in Job which is definitely and undoubtedly talking about angels.
The angels that did that are locked up now in Tartarus 2 Peter 2:4 this is a term for hell but this particular place in hell is only mentioned once only right there, when it talked about people going to hell it uses other terms (hades, gehenna, sheol) never tartarus, so this seems to be a holding place specifically for these angels only.
Now demons are created to be demons they are not spirits of dead people or even offspring from fallen angels nor are they fallen angels. God created them and uses them as judgment for his people, they are used when curses are in effect and when people sin to torment them, so that they might turn around. God always judges his people with the intend that they would turn back to him.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]?

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I said the term "sons of God" in the OT (Old Testament!) refers to angels or "heavenly beings" as some Bible translation, translate it - yes THE BIBLE!

Here are the other 3:
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

If you need more convincing read these in context...

Also where do you get the distinction from you make between sons of God being Seth's line and daughters of men being Cain's line? Where do you get the idea that all of these were giants? Even Adam and Eve? Just because they lived longer? Now where is that in the Bible please? It also talks about giants only after the specific mention of sons of God and daughters of men coming together, not before...
Actually we see later on long after the flood that not all were giants but there still were giants again in the land, prime example Goliath!

here is one in Numbers 13:33: (and this is the same word for giants in the original text)
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Peter tells us that these angels left their "Proper Domain" and sinned and were locked up for that.
In Genesis 6
- it says sons of God and women of men, it makes a distinction right there, when in the sentence and chapters before that it is already talking about the human race multiplying, so why using and highlighting this expression right there? Further right after the mentioning of these creatures procreating with women, it says that God limited their time on earth (well He must not have been pleased about it, if those were just normal humans what would be the point?) . Then it says that Noah found favor in God's eyes, first of all because he was PERFECT in his generations, meaning not polluted with procreation from these creatures in his family line...
But this is widely known already, I just summed it up to make a point to a prior post.



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To make another point clear, since some people saying it's not in the Bible, well there are some translations that actually have that in there for clarification:


Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Genesis 6:1-4

1-2More and more people were born, until finally they spread all over the earth. Some of their daughters were so beautiful that supernatural beings came down and married the ones they wanted. 3Then the LORD said, "I won't let my life-giving breath remain in anyone forever. No one will live for more than one hundred twenty years." 4The children of the supernatural beings who had married these women became famous heroes and warriors. They were called Nephilim and lived on the earth at that time and even later.


Common English Bible (CEB)

Genesis 6:1-4

1 When the number of people started to increase throughout the fertile land, daughters were born to them. 2 The divine beings saw how beautiful these human women were, so they married the ones they chose. 3 The LORD said, “My breath[a] will not remain in humans forever, because they are flesh. They will live one hundred twenty years.” 4 In those days, giants lived on the earth and also afterward, when divine beings and human daughters had sexual relations and gave birth to children. These were the ancient heroes, famous men.


New Century Version (NCV)

Gen 6: 1-4
1 The number of people on earth began to grow, and daughters were born to them.2 When the sons of God saw that these girls were beautiful, they married any of them they chose.3 The Lord said, "My Spirit will not remain in human beings forever, because they are flesh. They will live only 120 years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also later. That was when the sons of God had sexual relations with the daughters of human beings. These women gave birth to children, who became famous and were the mighty warriors of long ago.

Job 1:6
6 One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord, and Satan was with them.

Job 38:7
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted with joy?

Compare the two scriptures in Job with the ones that say "sons of God" instead of "angels".
Well there you have it...
 
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cronjecj said:
i have read the book of Enoch before and there is a scripture that says there were angels who left there proper domain which the angels left mortality and became flesh (mortal) and took woman unto themselves whomever they chose.
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No, not at all Angels did not become mortal, they left Heaven and followed satan to Earth, they are demons, and they did not procreate with women
 
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W777, the idea that demons or fallen angels procreated with women is quite frankly absurd. Jesus tells us that angels do not procreate
 
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notIbutChrist said:
W777, the idea that demons or fallen angels procreated with women is quite frankly absurd. Jesus tells us that angels do not procreate
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That is what I think he is even trying to tell us that God created demons to be demons, where do they get these ideas?
 
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notIbutChrist + Laodicea if you read my post you knew where from, I posted the scriptures, read again, not reposting! Where I came up with the idea that angels took the women of men? I didn't come up with that - I posted the scripture right out of the BIBLE - it says it explicitly in some translations, I gave you explanations and proof, why are you asking that again? Did you even read my post at all? Or do you just not want to understand? Is it too much to handle?

Also demons and angels are two entirely different creatures, with different meanings in the original Greek and Hebrew.
Well I could ask the same question, now you proof to me that the fallen angels turned into demons, where is that written, got scripture for that?
No it's just someone making up some fairy tales and assumptions, then it's taught from the pulpits and people just swallowing it and just repeating it... I have been there before, I made the same mistake!
 
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