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It makes sense to me to exterminate an entire world....and after those days...entire nations
of weird 6 fingered giants...if they were a unredeemable crossbred people.
But im ok with another view also. Because i just dont know. Ive done all the homework
that can be done. And the weird view fits best. But i havnt enough clear scripture to say
its correct.
of weird 6 fingered giants...if they were a unredeemable crossbred people.
But im ok with another view also. Because i just dont know. Ive done all the homework
that can be done. And the weird view fits best. But i havnt enough clear scripture to say
its correct.
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Im not trying to win in this...it matters little to me...but chains for Angels...yes
but not dead humans....so the like manner couldnt be refering to that...try again.
Its better to read it in context. you know that.
but not dead humans....so the like manner couldnt be refering to that...try again.
Its better to read it in context. you know that.
Jude 1:6-7
(6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
(7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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true...very true. But if read never having a view...i think one would naturally by the use of language relate as i see that it does. Believe me i dont like this creepy view...it fits with History...it makes sense of the judgements. But even tho its seems the crossbreed view makes the most sense...i just dont know. Nor do i like it.
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Abiding, nobody likes that, but you are correct with this view, if you really research it truthfully and apologetically and even logically, it all comes together. People just can't handle the idea of the spiritual realm crashing into the natural this way. Many people nowadays rather totally shut their eyes and ears to the spiritual realm, because it is to "spooky" for them, but the Bible commands us to know and to specifically know our enemies and their schemes.
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I have not shared a mindset but biblical proof, whereas you haven't so far but just voiced speculations and assumptions. You have to go back to scripture and compare, it has to line up with what it says throughout the word, the context and the situation at hand, the nature of God, people, creation, the time lines, etc...
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ummm i'm going to be an odd ball and not agree completely with either of your readings of Jude or at least what has been stated so far because it doesn't quite make sense to me...Quite simply for me this passage is a list of types of sins and transgressions that anger God. they don't compare to each other but highlight various sins that people and even angels tend to indulge themselves in that rebel against God's commandments.
if you want to learn the tactics of the enemy and how he attacks people study the list and you will see it replay itself in your life and in the lives of those around you every day. do not be ignorant of the tactics of the enemy.
1. attack on their faith, destruction of those in unbelief
2. move beyond the authority and bounds that God has placed around you and your life, like Adam and Eve when they ate the forbidden fruit and the angels when they got humans to worship them.
3 sexual immorality: well most know that one and if you don't ask your parents.
4. gossip and slander, there are a lot of verses about taming your tongue and if you do not then your religion is vain and useless.
5. Cain, Balaam, Korah: judging the world by the flesh and disdaining things of the Spirit and of GOD: counting the things of God worthless and chasing and defiling themselves with things of this world and their base desires and not having hearts seeking GOD and His will but a corrupt heart seeking food, money and power instead.
Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
anyways that is how I read the passage.
if you want to learn the tactics of the enemy and how he attacks people study the list and you will see it replay itself in your life and in the lives of those around you every day. do not be ignorant of the tactics of the enemy.
1. attack on their faith, destruction of those in unbelief
2. move beyond the authority and bounds that God has placed around you and your life, like Adam and Eve when they ate the forbidden fruit and the angels when they got humans to worship them.
3 sexual immorality: well most know that one and if you don't ask your parents.
4. gossip and slander, there are a lot of verses about taming your tongue and if you do not then your religion is vain and useless.
5. Cain, Balaam, Korah: judging the world by the flesh and disdaining things of the Spirit and of GOD: counting the things of God worthless and chasing and defiling themselves with things of this world and their base desires and not having hearts seeking GOD and His will but a corrupt heart seeking food, money and power instead.
Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
anyways that is how I read the passage.
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who are the sons of God?
I can't answer for the OT(still studying and praying about it) but the new says those who have the Holy Spirit in them have the right to cry forth as "Abba, Father"
I believe that all the generations of men had that right but it was lost when the people rejected God and demanded that Samuel place a King over them and maybe even before that when the people demanded that Moses be a prophet for them instead of directly speak to God as GOD wished from the beginning to walk amongst His people but the people were ashamed and hid and still hide behind spiritual fig leaves and veils trying to cover upon and deny their sin and their rebellion.
mmm I think I'll go read Exodus now. ttyl.
I can't answer for the OT(still studying and praying about it) but the new says those who have the Holy Spirit in them have the right to cry forth as "Abba, Father"
I believe that all the generations of men had that right but it was lost when the people rejected God and demanded that Samuel place a King over them and maybe even before that when the people demanded that Moses be a prophet for them instead of directly speak to God as GOD wished from the beginning to walk amongst His people but the people were ashamed and hid and still hide behind spiritual fig leaves and veils trying to cover upon and deny their sin and their rebellion.
mmm I think I'll go read Exodus now. ttyl.