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His disciples.
John 6:67-69
New King James Version (NKJV)
67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[a]
John 6:67-69
New King James Version (NKJV)
67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[a]
All who will choose to believe, right Forest? 
I know Forest from another board. He is a staunch Calvinist (even though he doesn't admit it), believing God has decreed some people to be saved and others to eternal destruction. He believes God makes people born again before they believe, which is contrary to scripture (Eph 1:13). He does not believe Romans 10:9 has anything to do with salvation, instead calling it a "timely deliverance". He does not believe God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4).
If you believe God through Christ has made salvation available to any man who will choose to believe, Forest will doggedly oppose you.
But this board has its share of Calvinists, so maybe Forest will feel more at home here.
Welcome, Forest.
I know Forest from another board. He is a staunch Calvinist (even though he doesn't admit it), believing God has decreed some people to be saved and others to eternal destruction. He believes God makes people born again before they believe, which is contrary to scripture (Eph 1:13). He does not believe Romans 10:9 has anything to do with salvation, instead calling it a "timely deliverance". He does not believe God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4).
If you believe God through Christ has made salvation available to any man who will choose to believe, Forest will doggedly oppose you.
But this board has its share of Calvinists, so maybe Forest will feel more at home here.
Welcome, Forest.
The Bible interprets itself.
Read the continuation of this context with emphasis on verse 44 and 45:
"The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
John 6:41-45
Who are those that the Father gave to Christ?
"Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father..."
Read the continuation of this context with emphasis on verse 44 and 45:
"The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."
John 6:41-45
Who are those that the Father gave to Christ?
"Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father..."
J
All who will choose to believe, right Forest?
John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
If you don't mind my asking, which one? I'm considering expanding my "operations" into a third board.
As long as he's not a hyper I'm glad to not be the only one on these forums.
Could you explain how that verse contradicts what he says? I don't really see how one could get that from the verse, care to explain?
I'm not sure what is meant by "timely deliverance", however...
When it says, "if you confess with your mouth" that does not mean that just because you say some words that affirm of one's faith it is a work of justification, but such confession does however give an outward evidence of inward faith, and often confirms that faith to those who confess Christ is Lord. I also think one should recognize that when it says "Will be" there is a matter of linguistics that is being overlooked.
It would be similar in concept to saying, "I was in the hospital with Pneumonia" and treating Pneumonia as a person.
"Pneumonia and I went for a walk"
Look at who the Apostle Paul is addressing.
Also, be careful about not letting the bible define it's own terms. Context is key, otherwise you'll have to say verse 15 tells us women are saved through childbirth.
I guess you don't doggedly oppose Calvinism?
Do you think Calvinism makes God bad or evil?
Do you think it makes God out to be an unloving, uncaring ogre, choosing some for salvation and others for destruction for no reason?
Do you think Calvinism makes God worse than Adolf Hitler?
There's not too many Calvinists. I only know of three or four.
Myself, Phil36, Forest now, that grace guy whom I can't remember his name, and that South African gal who recently posted in one of the threads in the Teens Forum. The calvies are by far outnumbered by those saying "ya'll bunch a bad guys, m'kay".
Welcome Forest.
Run, Forest, Run!!! (just had to
)
Doesn't seem to be what Jesus says.
John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
If you don't mind my asking, which one? I'm considering expanding my "operations" into a third board.
As long as he's not a hyper I'm glad to not be the only one on these forums.
Could you explain how that verse contradicts what he says? I don't really see how one could get that from the verse, care to explain?
I'm not sure what is meant by "timely deliverance", however...
When it says, "if you confess with your mouth" that does not mean that just because you say some words that affirm of one's faith it is a work of justification, but such confession does however give an outward evidence of inward faith, and often confirms that faith to those who confess Christ is Lord. I also think one should recognize that when it says "Will be" there is a matter of linguistics that is being overlooked.
It would be similar in concept to saying, "I was in the hospital with Pneumonia" and treating Pneumonia as a person.
"Pneumonia and I went for a walk"
Look at who the Apostle Paul is addressing.
Also, be careful about not letting the bible define it's own terms. Context is key, otherwise you'll have to say verse 15 tells us women are saved through childbirth.
I guess you don't doggedly oppose Calvinism?
Do you think Calvinism makes God bad or evil?
Do you think it makes God out to be an unloving, uncaring ogre, choosing some for salvation and others for destruction for no reason?
Do you think Calvinism makes God worse than Adolf Hitler?
There's not too many Calvinists. I only know of three or four.
Myself, Phil36, Forest now, that grace guy whom I can't remember his name, and that South African gal who recently posted in one of the threads in the Teens Forum. The calvies are by far outnumbered by those saying "ya'll bunch a bad guys, m'kay".
Welcome Forest.
Run, Forest, Run!!! (just had to)
John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out
If you don't mind my asking, which one? I'm considering expanding my "operations" into a third board.
As long as he's not a hyper I'm glad to not be the only one on these forums.
Could you explain how that verse contradicts what he says? I don't really see how one could get that from the verse, care to explain?
I'm not sure what is meant by "timely deliverance", however...
When it says, "if you confess with your mouth" that does not mean that just because you say some words that affirm of one's faith it is a work of justification, but such confession does however give an outward evidence of inward faith, and often confirms that faith to those who confess Christ is Lord. I also think one should recognize that when it says "Will be" there is a matter of linguistics that is being overlooked.
It would be similar in concept to saying, "I was in the hospital with Pneumonia" and treating Pneumonia as a person.
"Pneumonia and I went for a walk"
Look at who the Apostle Paul is addressing.
Also, be careful about not letting the bible define it's own terms. Context is key, otherwise you'll have to say verse 15 tells us women are saved through childbirth.
I guess you don't doggedly oppose Calvinism?
Do you think Calvinism makes God bad or evil?
Do you think it makes God out to be an unloving, uncaring ogre, choosing some for salvation and others for destruction for no reason?
Do you think Calvinism makes God worse than Adolf Hitler?
There's not too many Calvinists. I only know of three or four.
Myself, Phil36, Forest now, that grace guy whom I can't remember his name, and that South African gal who recently posted in one of the threads in the Teens Forum. The calvies are by far outnumbered by those saying "ya'll bunch a bad guys, m'kay".
Welcome Forest.
Run, Forest, Run!!! (just had to
)
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Without adding words to it, it's EVERYONE! All men are saved by Christ.
It's funny when people say "only those that believe" or "only those that are saved". Ok. Even the devils believe AND TREMBLE! It will be just as our Lord said it will be!
John 12:31-32
31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Not those who believe just, or Christians only, but ALL MEN! ALL MEN
I don't have time at the moment to answer everything. I have "cherry-picked".
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He does not even claim to be a Calvinist. But I won't speak any more for him.
We are saved WHEN WE BELIEVE. That is the condition of receiving holy spirit. Rom 10:9 "IF thou shalt confess....believe...."
Only a Calvinist could twist this into meaning "groups" of people.
1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Also:
2 Pet 3:9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In a word, yes.
Yes.
Never gave it much thought.
I believe, and I believe the bible teaches, that God gave man free will. Any man can choose to come to God or reject Him.
...pretty good...
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He does not even claim to be a Calvinist. But I won't speak any more for him.
We are saved WHEN WE BELIEVE. That is the condition of receiving holy spirit. Rom 10:9 "IF thou shalt confess....believe...."
Only a Calvinist could twist this into meaning "groups" of people.
1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Also:
2 Pet 3:9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In a word, yes.
Yes.
Never gave it much thought.
I believe, and I believe the bible teaches, that God gave man free will. Any man can choose to come to God or reject Him.
Run, Forest, Run!!! (just had to )
)
...pretty good...
But with that being said, I confidently say I believe in free will.
And for those who probably want full context for 1 Timothy 2:4
1 Timothy 2
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
1 Timothy 2
A Call to Prayer
1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
And for those who probably want full context for 1 Timothy 2:4
1 Timothy 2
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
1 Timothy 2
A Call to Prayer
1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
J
It's on the rise in America.
The New Calvinism - 10 Ideas Changing the World Right Now - TIME <--- we made it in the news
Reformed Baptist here. I go to a Southern Baptist Church though. I'm glad mine let's me live. Southern Baptists except for Southern Seminary, really don't like Calvinists. At the John 3:16 Conference, they even endorsed a guy who said Calvinists need to be evangelized. Nothing new though. I get told that all the time by the non-calvies.
Lol, no kiddin'.
The New Calvinism - 10 Ideas Changing the World Right Now - TIME <--- we made it in the news
Reformed Baptist here. I go to a Southern Baptist Church though. I'm glad mine let's me live.
Southern Baptists except for Southern Seminary, really don't like Calvinists. At the John 3:16 Conference, they even endorsed a guy who said Calvinists need to be evangelized. Nothing new though. I get told that all the time by the non-calvies. Lol, no kiddin'.
J
Yeah, and the early Christians in Acts chapter 2 shared their spouses with each other as well. Not to mention, Paul let everyone go for a ride on his rocket ship.
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
J
Shroom, I'll get to responding in full to your post addressing mine after class (I'm in class, and it starts in 6 minutes), but I'd like to know something from you.
Do you believe women are saved through childbirth?
1 Tim 2:15 But women[a] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Do you believe women are saved through childbirth?
1 Tim 2:15 But women[a] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.