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All who will choose to believe, right Forest? 
I know Forest from another board. He is a staunch Calvinist (even though he doesn't admit it), believing God has decreed some people to be saved and others to eternal destruction. He believes God makes people born again before they believe, which is contrary to scripture (Eph 1:13). He does not believe Romans 10:9 has anything to do with salvation, instead calling it a "timely deliverance". He does not believe God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4).
If you believe God through Christ has made salvation available to any man who will choose to believe, Forest will doggedly oppose you.
But this board has its share of Calvinists, so maybe Forest will feel more at home here.
Welcome, Forest.
I know Forest from another board. He is a staunch Calvinist (even though he doesn't admit it), believing God has decreed some people to be saved and others to eternal destruction. He believes God makes people born again before they believe, which is contrary to scripture (Eph 1:13). He does not believe Romans 10:9 has anything to do with salvation, instead calling it a "timely deliverance". He does not believe God wants all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4).
If you believe God through Christ has made salvation available to any man who will choose to believe, Forest will doggedly oppose you.
But this board has its share of Calvinists, so maybe Forest will feel more at home here.
Welcome, Forest.
So far he seems more of a Universalist, with all men are saved thing going on.. ...
Ignatius of Antioch- Died between 98 and 110 AD. Ignatius was likely a disciple of both Apostles Peter and John and was martyred (Ignatius was condemned to fight wild beasts in the Coliseum) in Rome. Seven of his letters have survived to this day; he is generally considered to be one of the Apostolic Fathers (the earliest authoritative group of the Church Fathers):
- • If any one is truly religious, he is a man of God; but if he is irreligious, he is a man of the devil, made such, not by nature, but by his own choice.
- This only have I found: God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes. Ecclesiastes 7:29 NIV
Yes, I am sure. He holds to an extremely strict view of 1 Cor 2:14, believing that the natural (unsaved) man cannot even think about God. According to him, if you are in any sort of discussion with someone about God, that person MUST be saved or else he couldn't even be talking about God.
I'm sure Forest will be back to explain himself.
I'm sure Forest will be back to explain himself.
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John 6:44, Greek translaters says the word "draw" means "to drag". In Eph 2:1-5, God quickened the natural man to life while he was still "dead" (spiritual dead) in sins. Shroom has already introduced me, and he has yet to explain 1 Cor 2:16 to me where it will make sense. Can anyone of you give me a better explaination than Shroom. Shroom believes that God's will is for all men to be saved eternally, and he cannot explain Dan 4:35, which states that God accomplishes all his will, which I believe that he does. If God's will is for all mankind to be saved eternally, as Shroom believes, then all mankind will be saved eternally and I believe that we have too many scriptures that tell us that all mankind will not be saved eternally.
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I don't have time at the moment to answer everything. I have "cherry-picked".
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He does not even claim to be a Calvinist. But I won't speak any more for him.
We are saved WHEN WE BELIEVE. That is the condition of receiving holy spirit. Rom 10:9 "IF thou shalt confess....believe...."
Only a Calvinist could twist this into meaning "groups" of people.
1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Also:
2 Pet 3:9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In a word, yes.
Yes.
Never gave it much thought.
I believe, and I believe the bible teaches, that God gave man free will. Any man can choose to come to God or reject Him.
...pretty good...
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He does not even claim to be a Calvinist. But I won't speak any more for him.
We are saved WHEN WE BELIEVE. That is the condition of receiving holy spirit. Rom 10:9 "IF thou shalt confess....believe...."
Only a Calvinist could twist this into meaning "groups" of people.
1 Tim 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Also:
2 Pet 3:9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
In a word, yes.
Yes.
Never gave it much thought.
I believe, and I believe the bible teaches, that God gave man free will. Any man can choose to come to God or reject Him.
...pretty good...
You continually leave out that God has given man free will. It is God's will for all men to be saved, and He has made salvation available through Christ to any person who will choose to believe on Christ. Obviously, not all have or will choose to believe, so not all will be saved.
Forest, you may find a little more support for your Calvinistic beliefs here on this forum, if that makes you feel better.
Forest, you may find a little more support for your Calvinistic beliefs here on this forum, if that makes you feel better.
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Matthew 9:9-13
9And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.
10And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were LIVING when Jesus walked.
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You say those that would will be saved. Ps 14:2-3, The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are altogether become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Thats what God had to choose from. We are all born a natural birth and are but natural man, having no desire to know God, 1 Cor 2:16. While we were still in our natural state God quickened some to a spiritual life(those that he gave to his Son, John 6:37-40). by putting his Spirit within them, Eph 2:1-5.
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no its not, its the forbidden fruit. you can choose to do your will or GOD's. You can choose to eat of the tree or Good and evil or from the tree of Life.
God places before people the choice of life or death, but most don't even see or hear. it is only be the grace of God that anyone does.
1 Corinthians 2
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ
God places before people the choice of life or death, but most don't even see or hear. it is only be the grace of God that anyone does.
1 Corinthians 2
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ
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?? your statement makes no sense.
It was not her free will that caused the trials she endured it was those who inflicted their will upon her. they were disobedient to God. they choose to do what God forbid.
It is her will to allow bitterness and hate to eat away at her life and stay enslaved to sin or to obey God and understand His freedom, grace, mercy and Love by forgiving those who misuse her and praying for them to repent and come to truly know God and obey Him so they might not repeat the sin upon another.
that is what I would tell such a young woman. I would ask: will you live in love or will you live in hate?
Will you allow God to heal you or will you pick at the scab and pour salt on the wound?
It was not her free will that caused the trials she endured it was those who inflicted their will upon her. they were disobedient to God. they choose to do what God forbid.
It is her will to allow bitterness and hate to eat away at her life and stay enslaved to sin or to obey God and understand His freedom, grace, mercy and Love by forgiving those who misuse her and praying for them to repent and come to truly know God and obey Him so they might not repeat the sin upon another.
that is what I would tell such a young woman. I would ask: will you live in love or will you live in hate?
Will you allow God to heal you or will you pick at the scab and pour salt on the wound?