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[HhhLGA89]

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS WHO SAY THEY ''HATE" RELIGION.

But it seems to me that most Christians who say they "hate" religion are very worldly.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that all Christians who say this -that religion is "bad" or they hate it- are worldy/liberal, but there does seem to be a trend.

Does anyone else in the world who see this? Is there not a connection between religion and conservativism/non-worldiness? I would say that religion (which can be good) works to make Christians more aware of what a Christian should be and what they should practice, when done properly. Spirituality doesn't work,to me, because it makes the image of what a Christian should be very vague.

I have always had a more traditional view of religion and see it as a good thing.

 

[Ugly]

I did the whole anti-religion Christianity thing for a while. But I feel i've grown out of it. Seems a lot of it stems from people not wanting to have standards to live by. Its true we have freedom in Christ and shouldn't put God in a box or become legalistic, but fact is there Are some basic rules to live by in a Christian walk.

 

[HhhLGA89]

Yeah I agree, it seems to be something that younger Christians gravitate to more, this free spirit type of Christianity. It reminds me of the show Dharma & Greg, two opposites, and yeah I loved that show..Anyways, it always seemed like a plea from young Christians to their unsaved peers that "we are not like the mean, boring Christians our parents are."

 

[gb9]

i am not a young Christian, and i have very anti-religon attitude. it is there because most " religious" people do not know the Bible. they only know certain verses,but not the Bible as a whole, in other words, a lot of verses out of context.

 

[Crossfire]

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS WHO SAY THEY ''HATE" RELIGION.

But it seems to me that most Christians who say they "hate" religion are very worldly.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that all Christians who say this -that religion is "bad" or they hate it- are worldy/liberal, but there does seem to be a trend.

Does anyone else in the world who see this? Is there not a connection between religion and conservativism/non-worldiness? I would say that religion (which can be good) works to make Christians more aware of what a Christian should be and what they should practice, when done properly. Spirituality doesn't work,to me, because it makes the image of what a Christian should be very vague.

I have always had a more traditional view of religion and see it as a good thing.

I understand and do agree with what you are saying. However, I personally do not like to call Christianity a 'religion' per say for the simple reason that a person could have every verse of scripture memorized, have a master's degree in theology and be the president of a world renowned seminary and still go to hell because he did not know Jesus in his heart.

I sum Christianity with an old familiar phrase: 'It's not what you know that matters but, rather, who you know that counts."

Although useful, head knowledge will only teach you rules and guidelines. However, heart knowledge will free you from the bondage of sin.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS WHO SAY THEY ''HATE" RELIGION.

But it seems to me that most Christians who say they "hate" religion are very worldly.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that all Christians who say this -that religion is "bad" or they hate it- are worldy/liberal, but there does seem to be a trend.

Does anyone else in the world who see this? Is there not a connection between religion and conservativism/non-worldiness? I would say that religion (which can be good) works to make Christians more aware of what a Christian should be and what they should practice, when done properly. Spirituality doesn't work,to me, because it makes the image of what a Christian should be very vague.

I have always had a more traditional view of religion and see it as a good thing.

To me it is a non-issue. What is religion? What isn't religion? Who cares. Just follow the Bible. This is why it says to avoid "arguments over words."

3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. (1 Timothy 6:3-5)

A word might mean one thing to one person, and something else to another person. It is the meaning that matters, not the word itself.

 

[tribesman]

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS WHO SAY THEY ''HATE" RELIGION.

But it seems to me that most Christians who say they "hate" religion are very worldly.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that all Christians who say this -that religion is "bad" or they hate it- are worldy/liberal, but there does seem to be a trend.

Does anyone else in the world who see this? Is there not a connection between religion and conservativism/non-worldiness? I would say that religion (which can be good) works to make Christians more aware of what a Christian should be and what they should practice, when done properly. Spirituality doesn't work,to me, because it makes the image of what a Christian should be very vague.

I have always had a more traditional view of religion and see it as a good thing.

This issue is being discussed recently in the thread linked below:

http://christianchat.com/christian-teens-forum/36309-difference-between-gospel-religion.html <- link

 

[mpaper345]

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS WHO SAY THEY ''HATE" RELIGION.

But it seems to me that most Christians who say they "hate" religion are very worldly.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that all Christians who say this -that religion is "bad" or they hate it- are worldy/liberal, but there does seem to be a trend.

Does anyone else in the world who see this? Is there not a connection between religion and conservativism/non-worldiness? I would say that religion (which can be good) works to make Christians more aware of what a Christian should be and what they should practice, when done properly. Spirituality doesn't work,to me, because it makes the image of what a Christian should be very vague.

I have always had a more traditional view of religion and see it as a good thing.

The truth is concerning the vast majority,whether they say they hate religion or not,is they are worldly,which the Bible points that out concerning the condition of the people who claim to be with Christ at the end times,that they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God,and of the last generation,that they are clean in their own eyes but not washed from their filthiness.

So not only do we observe the many hypocrites,but God also told us there would be many hypocrites at this time.

How many people actually act like Christ in it's entirety.They do not talk right sometimes when dealing with other people.They do not walk right,as you can observe worldly things that they say and do and hold unto.Believe me,if the people who claim to be with Christ actually acted like Christ,you could tell and they would stick out.

But somebody has to act like Christ,because there will be a resurrection of the saints,and somebody has to be caught up.

People know that there are many hypocrites and different interpretations of the Bible,very numerous,and know it should not be so.

So when they say I follow Christ but I hate religion,you would think that they would have it right concerning how to be a Christian above the people who like religion,seeing they are implying I am in the right for I denounce religion where you people are confused and in the wrong because of your religion,but when you observe their lifestyle that claim I hate religion,they don't act like Christ.

But maybe that is the deception of saying I hate religion,for while they think I hate religion,there are things in religion that is of goodness that they do not observe,and gives them kind of a relaxed attitude instead of the strictness of being a Christian.

It is like people who say you are being legalistic,like they do not want to hear any rules as if they all come from man,but perhaps some of those things might actually come from God.So they have a way of cutting everything out,and go overboard,when some things God might require,but they don't want to hear it.

Like a homosexual man who acts feminine,but he takes that feminine way to an extreme,where not even women act that feminine,these people take legalism,and I hate religion,to an extreme,where some things may be of God and not of man,that they think is legalistic or religion.

They tend to not want to hear anything but I confess Christ,tell me no more,as if all else is coming from man,but some things might be coming from God.

But it is strange because they say,I like religion,I hate religion,I am not legalistic,we like rules,no works,yes works,etc.,but they all act the same despite their different viewpoints.

They take a different stance of Christianity,and what they should adhere to,as if they have a heads up in truth,but they act the same in lifestyle,when it is really your lifestyle that matters,which is to be like Christ.

It seems people do not focus on being like Christ,which Christ did not play,opposed to the people who claim to be with Christ,which Ghandi even testified of this,I like your Christ,but I do not like your Christians,for they are so much not like Christ,and Ghandi said this many years ago when they were not as bad in hypocrisy.

It seems people do not focus on being like Christ,or is that religious and legalistic.

Being like Christ is the only thing that counts towards salvation.

 

[barukhmalachi]

Religion and relationship is shown in the difference between the pharicees and jesus. The pharicees had religion, jesus had a relationship with the father. Todays religion is stricken with division and mans ideas of whats right and picking and choosing what scriptures they think work or are out dated. Religion clouds much of what jesus taught. It causes confusion in new christians, who's right and who's wrong. The simple truth is two denominations can be speaking the truth but missing out on things. We try to complicate gods word and over think it to conform it to a denominations certain beliefs. Whether you call yourself religious or spiritual, we all sin and we are all guilty of being carnal or wordly at one point or another. But by being spiritual we don't hold firm on one part of gods word but not another. Gods word is gods word whether it be today or 5000 years ago. God is the same. How can a denomination say I believe every word in the bible and say I don't think thats for today. Relious people don't see the kind of supernatural occurances that you may find with someone who has a relationship with god without boundaries. Claiming to be spiritual instead of religious is not a claim to perfection rather a freedom to worship and experience our heavenly father as simply that, our heavenly father. Not a distant god to learn about and work hard on our own power to know him and serve him without seeing his true power. We give up so much authority on earth and the spirit realm that jesus shed his blood to give us by being tied to a wordly view of a spiritual god. Life is a never ending quest to know him better personally not just to go through a set motion determined by a denomination to be their own correct way to go about it. Nothing against a certain denomination, they are christians to, I just see a denomination as a limitation.

 

[TheAristocat]

I did the whole anti-religion Christianity thing for a while. But I feel i've grown out of it. Seems a lot of it stems from people not wanting to have standards to live by. Its true we have freedom in Christ and shouldn't put God in a box or become legalistic, but fact is there Are some basic rules to live by in a Christian walk.

The not-a-religion thing worked on me for a little while till I realized that Christianity was still a religion according to Webster's. Seems like this was a movement that started back like a decade ago. I'm not sure why either. I get the feeling it continued among the youth because it was a new and interesting way of looking at Christianity, but ultimately false. I don't think it really shaped people's views of Christianity. Those who didn't want to live by rules would still probably not have lived by rules whether or not they bought into this.

End result is that Christianity is a religion, but also - as these anti-religionists claim - it is a relationship. The only Christian-view it helped to shape was the definition of "religion." Made a lot of Christians think it was a bad word and that living by a higher moral code handed down by God was a bad or antiquated thing.

 

[TheAristocat]

To me it is a non-issue. What is religion? What isn't religion? Who cares. Just follow the Bible. This is why it says to avoid "arguments over words."

3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. (1 Timothy 6:3-5)

A word might mean one thing to one person, and something else to another person. It is the meaning that matters, not the word itself.

I agree. A lot of what anti-religionists claim as religion is something they, themselves, observe. The main theme behind this movement was this: belief in the sole observance of loving God and loving Man and that if you couldn't interpret a law in the Old Testament in a loving sense then you didn't need to observe it and probably shouldn't.

But even this interpretation has room for human error as some people say that God would not have given us laws that did not benefit us and our relationship with God and therefore observance of all laws is for the sake of loving God and Man. So their non-religion was just another form of human interpretation of the Bible and therefore - by their definition - religion itself.

 

[Trax]

End result is that Christianity is a religion, but also - as these anti-religionists claim - it is a relationship. The only Christian-view it helped to shape was the definition of "religion." Made a lot of Christians think it was a bad word and that living by a higher moral code handed down by God was a bad or antiquated thing.

Joh 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; (Jesus was speaking).
This verse shows the difference between religion and relationship.