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Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Jn_4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn_5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn_5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Jn_4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn_5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn_5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Remember we come to Christ not on our own way but the way He laid out in scripture, Jesus is asking us to repent and follow Him on the narrow road, through a heart made pure through an obedient faith.
WE must remain in the vine(Jesus) to stay saved, but without clearing away all iniquity and disobedience to God, you cannot be a new creation, because you never crucified your flesh with Christ in repentance 2 Cor 7-10-11.
He who does the will of God abides forever, salvation is not a provision, but is alive-and active through a working faith in love and heart purity, just believing and that is it doesnt save!
To believe is to obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road! Luke 9-23, Jn 8-51!
WE must remain in the vine(Jesus) to stay saved, but without clearing away all iniquity and disobedience to God, you cannot be a new creation, because you never crucified your flesh with Christ in repentance 2 Cor 7-10-11.
He who does the will of God abides forever, salvation is not a provision, but is alive-and active through a working faith in love and heart purity, just believing and that is it doesnt save!
To believe is to obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road! Luke 9-23, Jn 8-51!
Galatians 3:23-29
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
We are children of God by faith. We are born again of the Spirit, not by our works or our wills, but by God.
Before you have faith in Jesus you have faith in yourself and your works. After faith in Jesus comes you are freed from your works to enter into the rest of the Lords works. You can't do this by yourself. You have to pray to God and He gives it to you. Along with the understanding of it.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
We are children of God by faith. We are born again of the Spirit, not by our works or our wills, but by God.
Before you have faith in Jesus you have faith in yourself and your works. After faith in Jesus comes you are freed from your works to enter into the rest of the Lords works. You can't do this by yourself. You have to pray to God and He gives it to you. Along with the understanding of it.
Yahvah God wants to be loved and obeyed, he deserves everyone of us to fall down and worship him for eternity, He is Amazing and I love him with all my heart and soul.
He is righteous and just, he is kind and merciful.
In my naivety I believed everyone wanted to love and obey him, and was surprised when I read that people hated him and rebelled against him.
When I read the Bible and see how he had to flood the earth, I understood just how wicked they must of been to cause a loving Yahvah God to take this action.
You can not go against Almighty Yahvah God, there are consequences, and even if people don't like that he is our creator and will do as he pleases.
Fortunately for us he desires us, but we must desire him for there to be harmony.
So being a child of Yahvah God is not attending joel's prosperity performance.
Yes you are his creation, but his he your Father?
He is righteous and just, he is kind and merciful.
In my naivety I believed everyone wanted to love and obey him, and was surprised when I read that people hated him and rebelled against him.
When I read the Bible and see how he had to flood the earth, I understood just how wicked they must of been to cause a loving Yahvah God to take this action.
You can not go against Almighty Yahvah God, there are consequences, and even if people don't like that he is our creator and will do as he pleases.
Fortunately for us he desires us, but we must desire him for there to be harmony.
So being a child of Yahvah God is not attending joel's prosperity performance.
Yes you are his creation, but his he your Father?
E
and we would agree. everyone baptized by God the HS into the family of God is in Christ.
what? wow talk about a stretch!
Yep, lets be like the jews and take a traditional religious ceremony commanded by God which shows his true work, and turn it into a reuirement to be saved. thus making it our work and not his.
what? wow talk about a stretch!
Yep, lets be like the jews and take a traditional religious ceremony commanded by God which shows his true work, and turn it into a reuirement to be saved. thus making it our work and not his.
F
Dude we had the same discussion on the other thread, you ran away said you didn't have time to or patience to answer your arguments. Why are you making them again? Same answer to you:
What about Acts ch 8:1-25??
Were the Samaritans saved when they believed, or not until Peter and John came and gave them the HS?
which part? Were the Gal not already Christians? we they not already baptized? did they not have a problem with false teachers trying to force the law of Moses on them? where is the streatch?
I didnt say you must believe and be baptized shall be saved - Chirst did - Mrk 16:16
I didnt say "baptism doth also now save us" - peter did I Pet 3:21.
I didnt tell the Jews to repent and baptized when they asked what they should do, peter did - Acts 2:38
I didnt tell you baptism puts you into Chirst - Paul did - Rom 6:3, Gal 3:27
I didnt say baptism washes away your sins - Paul did - Acts 22:16.
Now ask yourself, how many of these MUST you change the meaning of so it fits your doctrine. You are rejecting God's word, same as the Pharisees. I change nothing. I let God speak, you interrupt him and have to change volumes of scripture so you can continue believing what you do. Your right, you have NO fear, which implies you are without something else as well. Do a search of "fear" and youll see what.
You dont know what the baptism of HS is, if so explain it. I can show you defined in scripture what it is, and who it was promised to, you cant, you just throw it around when ever you need to reject other passages yet you don't know what it even is.
if your going to keep attacking everything I say, at least answer the arguments you bring up, or just leave me out of your attempt to refute the truth.
What about Acts ch 8:1-25??
Were the Samaritans saved when they believed, or not until Peter and John came and gave them the HS?
which part? Were the Gal not already Christians? we they not already baptized? did they not have a problem with false teachers trying to force the law of Moses on them? where is the streatch?
Yep, lets be like the jews and take a traditional religious ceremony commanded by God which shows his true work, and turn it into a reuirement to be saved. thus making it our work and not his.
I didnt say "baptism doth also now save us" - peter did I Pet 3:21.
I didnt tell the Jews to repent and baptized when they asked what they should do, peter did - Acts 2:38
I didnt tell you baptism puts you into Chirst - Paul did - Rom 6:3, Gal 3:27
I didnt say baptism washes away your sins - Paul did - Acts 22:16.
Now ask yourself, how many of these MUST you change the meaning of so it fits your doctrine. You are rejecting God's word, same as the Pharisees. I change nothing. I let God speak, you interrupt him and have to change volumes of scripture so you can continue believing what you do. Your right, you have NO fear, which implies you are without something else as well. Do a search of "fear" and youll see what.
You dont know what the baptism of HS is, if so explain it. I can show you defined in scripture what it is, and who it was promised to, you cant, you just throw it around when ever you need to reject other passages yet you don't know what it even is.
if your going to keep attacking everything I say, at least answer the arguments you bring up, or just leave me out of your attempt to refute the truth.
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So glad you mentioned the narrow road. Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The word "narrow" here is Strong's G2346 = Akin to the base of G5147; to crowd (literally or figuratively): - afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.
So SUFFERING TRIBULATION IS THE WAY WHICH LEADETH UNTO LIFE .... This sure isn't the message that Joel Olsteen preaches is it?
F
We are Gods children Not by blood, not by flesh, not by will of man, but by will of God
Heb 5:9 and being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation to all that obey him - there is the will of God.
C
May I add, how are we to be obedient to God if not through hearkening unto the Spirit who is before our face leading to the Light of which God dwells in. Obedience is not credited to our account by our own will, but by the obedience to God's will which is spoken from our heart through the Spirit. Let us not, therefore, take credit by our own obedience, but let us seek the will of God through His Voice which speaks contrary to our own will.
