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THE BIBLE SAYD STHE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALETH ALL TRUTH. THIS IS KNOWLEGE, DISCERNMENT, AND WISDOM, AND CONVICTION. CONVICTION THAT WHEN ONE HAS ACCEPTETH THE LORD THE HOLY SPIRIT RESIDES WITHIN US, JOHN 17. HE ALSO IS THE COUNSELOR, ACTUALLY HE IS EVERYTHING, JESUS AND THE FATHER IN ONE. WE REALLY HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED WITH HIM. HE CONVICTS, THROUGH HIS WORD, THROUGH A SMALL QUIET PRESENCE OF HIS GLORY AROUND YOU, OR THROUGH OTHERS HE USES. CONVICTION IS GOOD BECAUSE IF HELPS US RECONGIZE SOMETHING ISN'T PLEASING TO THE LORD, IF WE ARE NOT AT PERFECT PEACE, IN A SITUATION OR OTHER. CONDEMNATION IS NOT FROM THE LORD. THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS; THERE IS THEREFORE NO COMDEMNATION TO THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.}}} IS THAT CONVICTION IS A STIRRING OF THE SPIRIT TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH HIS WORD, OR WILL. CONDEMNATION IS A RECORD THAT PLAYS OVER SOMETIMES FOR A LIFE TIME OF GUILT, EVEN WHEN ONE HAS REPENTED, AND ABSTAINED FROM THE THING THAT THE LORD WASN'T PLEASED WITH. IT'S FROM THE DEVIL, THAT SAYS LOOK WHAT YOU DID, AND IT BRINGS THE SELF ESTEEM VERY LOW, TO AN UNWORTHY STATE OF MIND, WHERE ONE DOSN'T WANT TO PRAY OR FEELS UNWORTHY TO PRAY. THIS IS THE TRAP OF HELL. NOT TO PRAY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO PRAY YOU ARE IN COMMUNION WITH THE FATHER THROUGH CHRIST JESUS. THERE ARE TOO MANY VERSES THAT TALK ABOUT CONVICTION, THROUGHOUT IT SAYS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS OUR EVERYTHING, AND THE CONVICTOR, NOT THE CONDEMOR. GOD DOES CONDEMN SIN BUT LOVES THE PERSON JOHN 3:16. SANTIFICATION IS A PROCESS OF BECOMING UNTANGLED WITH THE WORLD, BEING SET APART IT SAYS, SANTIFY YOURSELFS WITH THE WORD. AMEN. THIS IS MY PERSONAL THING I'M SURE OTHERS HAVE MORE TO SAY ON THIS.
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Hello,
I believe most are referring to John 16:8, speaking of the Holy Spirit, "And when He comes, He will convict the world concerning sin and righeousness and judgment...."
It is simply saying that Holy Spirit will guide people into the truth that we are sinners in need of Christ for salvation. He will show us through the Word who Christ is and what He came to accomplish on our behalf. Also, once we're saved, the Holy Spirit will not let us rest in a known sin. He will convict us, through God's word, that we are doing wrong, and guide us back to the right path.
That is the way the Holy Spirit convicts us, through the Bible. When we read the Bible, we become convinced of the truth and our lives change.
God bless.
Tom
I believe most are referring to John 16:8, speaking of the Holy Spirit, "And when He comes, He will convict the world concerning sin and righeousness and judgment...."
It is simply saying that Holy Spirit will guide people into the truth that we are sinners in need of Christ for salvation. He will show us through the Word who Christ is and what He came to accomplish on our behalf. Also, once we're saved, the Holy Spirit will not let us rest in a known sin. He will convict us, through God's word, that we are doing wrong, and guide us back to the right path.
That is the way the Holy Spirit convicts us, through the Bible. When we read the Bible, we become convinced of the truth and our lives change.
God bless.
Tom
John 16:7-12
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
The simple truth of the bible is that the Holy Spirit does not convict a believer of sin. The Holy Spirit convicts the unbeliever of sin.
The Holy Spirit teaches the believer about what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us. There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. There is therefore now no looking back at sin for those who follow after the Holy Spirit.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
The simple truth of the bible is that the Holy Spirit does not convict a believer of sin. The Holy Spirit convicts the unbeliever of sin.
The Holy Spirit teaches the believer about what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us. There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. There is therefore now no looking back at sin for those who follow after the Holy Spirit.
The Holy spirit is given, and only when you receive it can you understand how it convicts you.
I could not of fully understood this, before the Holy spirit was given to me.
It makes you new from the inside out.
Things that tempted you in the past can not overcome the Holy Spirit.
It is inner peace, it flows with love through you.
It moves you in ways that you can not resist...
I could not of fully understood this, before the Holy spirit was given to me.
It makes you new from the inside out.
Things that tempted you in the past can not overcome the Holy Spirit.
It is inner peace, it flows with love through you.
It moves you in ways that you can not resist...
Wait, one more post! Hehe. 
I do agree the The Holy Spirit draws unbelievers to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. However........
When I mention that I felt "conviction" about something I did, I'm referring to that ooky feeling you get when you know you've messed up. It's not a "You're going to hades now" kind of thing, it's more like "Time out, Missy, we need to deal with this", a spiritual correction, and it's usually pretty gentle (although, at times when I needed firmness, it was firm).
Like a loving Father, who wants His kid to be all they can be.
Anyway, that has been my experience. I don't think of the conviction of The Holy Spirit to be a bad thing, at all. It keeps me growing and behaving!
I do agree the The Holy Spirit draws unbelievers to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ
. However........When I mention that I felt "conviction" about something I did, I'm referring to that ooky feeling you get when you know you've messed up. It's not a "You're going to hades now" kind of thing, it's more like "Time out, Missy, we need to deal with this", a spiritual correction, and it's usually pretty gentle (although, at times when I needed firmness, it was firm).
Like a loving Father, who wants His kid to be all they can be.
Anyway, that has been my experience. I don't think of the conviction of The Holy Spirit to be a bad thing, at all. It keeps me growing and behaving!
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We are convicted to stay on course, choosing God''s good ways set out for us in testaments, old and new.
Yes, snackersmommy, the Holy Spirit indwelling in us keeps us righteously choosing what we know the beautiful way of Him. There is conviction of sin, but only The Devil does that to us . But, too, the Spirit is in us and we know, from scripture, 'greater is He who is in me than he who is in The world. '
When Christ died, He knew He would not be around , besides returning for a short while to show whoever would believe He arose, Christ knew that He was going to Heaven, so, for believers He brought us a 'helper' (His Holy Spirit) on Earth, the most beautiful of arrangements, Some One to keep us in right understanding of righteousness.
Through Jesus' death, we are made righteous the very instant we believe and from that time forth it is The Spirit dwelling in us once we will openly receive upon being born again of God.
Scripture is clear, 'born of God,, man does not sin.' 1 John 3:6
This reality of being 'sealed' witn the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1: 13-14) is affirmation, repetitive 'cross,' power of God's ultimate power over Satan. By the Spirit --walking with us, living in us--, yes, believers are able, fully able, to have all power to rebuke Satan and live a life for Christ of righteousness.
Well said, milady, that is Big Boss convicting you to stay living and walking and working, beautifully for Him , for His glory through your helping work as He personally relationships with you.
Wait, one more post! Hehe.
I do agree the The Holy Spirit draws unbelievers to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. However........
When I mention that I felt "conviction" about something I did, I'm referring to that ooky feeling you get when you know you've messed up. It's not a "You're going to hades now" kind of thing, it's more like "Time out, Missy, we need to deal with this", a spiritual correction, and it's usually pretty gentle (although, at times when I needed firmness, it was firm).
Like a loving Father, who wants His kid to be all they can be.
Anyway, that has been my experience. I don't think of the conviction of The Holy Spirit to be a bad thing, at all. It keeps me growing and behaving!
I do agree the The Holy Spirit draws unbelievers to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ
. However........When I mention that I felt "conviction" about something I did, I'm referring to that ooky feeling you get when you know you've messed up. It's not a "You're going to hades now" kind of thing, it's more like "Time out, Missy, we need to deal with this", a spiritual correction, and it's usually pretty gentle (although, at times when I needed firmness, it was firm).
Like a loving Father, who wants His kid to be all they can be.
Anyway, that has been my experience. I don't think of the conviction of The Holy Spirit to be a bad thing, at all. It keeps me growing and behaving!
When Christ died, He knew He would not be around , besides returning for a short while to show whoever would believe He arose, Christ knew that He was going to Heaven, so, for believers He brought us a 'helper' (His Holy Spirit) on Earth, the most beautiful of arrangements, Some One to keep us in right understanding of righteousness.
Through Jesus' death, we are made righteous the very instant we believe and from that time forth it is The Spirit dwelling in us once we will openly receive upon being born again of God.
Scripture is clear, 'born of God,, man does not sin.' 1 John 3:6
This reality of being 'sealed' witn the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1: 13-14) is affirmation, repetitive 'cross,' power of God's ultimate power over Satan. By the Spirit --walking with us, living in us--, yes, believers are able, fully able, to have all power to rebuke Satan and live a life for Christ of righteousness.
Well said, milady, that is Big Boss convicting you to stay living and walking and working, beautifully for Him , for His glory through your helping work as He personally relationships with you.
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1st John Chapter 3 says that it is our own heart (conscience) that condemns us of sin. Our sin is nothing more than the consequence (evidence) of us placing more value on some carnal (worldly) desire (thus resulting in lust, pride, selfishness, etc) than we value God himself for "whatever it is that you treasure, that is where your heart (affections) reside".
Romans 8 boldly declares that when we choose to walk in the Spirit (God's presence), we shall not fulfill the desires of the flesh. Our heart condemns us because our sin is the evidence that we value the world over the presence of God.
Romans 8 boldly declares that when we choose to walk in the Spirit (God's presence), we shall not fulfill the desires of the flesh. Our heart condemns us because our sin is the evidence that we value the world over the presence of God.
C
BTW - there's a big difference between conviction which comes from the Holy Spirit and condemnation which is of the flesh. Conviction always draws us to repentance and right fellowship with God. Condemnation makes you feel ashamed thus you feel like pushing everyone away or running away.
Many in the church today confuse the two and some actually teach that a person should ignore conviction thinking it's a bad thing which is the wrong thing to do.
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IF we are following God with our life sinlessly living as the Lord gives us the ultimate power to do, we are having been told the knowledge of good and evil (yes, right, just like Adam and Eve) and we are choosing to do good, refusing the temptation of eating the eye-pleasing fruit becaude of the power of the Holy Spirit.
Crossfyre, not to disagree too much because your posts said are powerful belief statements of Him, staunchions of doctrine. But, on this, and, maybe I understand wrong, hey the apostles admiited their finitude of our infinite God , so shall I , but this is how I view the Holy Spirit in my life, as a FRIEND, AS a HELPER, as a COUNSELOR. And, more names for our Spirit dwelling in us, however, convictor is not a word I use for the Holy Spirit, not a condemner either, as you stated this latter belief, which I agree.
But here is how I view the Holy Spirit, whom I relationship with daily in my life and He blesses me, keeps me, overflows me with grace and mercy to keep sin from me. And, I do waver but I know the Lord leads and He keeps me from settling into sin that WAS my walk before borning into a new body that is with Christ.
OK, green, so this has been said, so what word do you use to describe the sin that creeps up on you?
IF its true that born of God, one does NOT sin (1 John 3:6) , then what sort of verb can one use to explain God's corrective measures to keep us in righteousness?
Love, not just any love, but love of God, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus and their is also no conviction from Christ Jesus. Condemnation AND conviction of our sins comes from one person who wants us to wallow and sorrow and mope and become paralyzed to the acts. Who? Satan. He is the father of lies. God destroyed guilt, suffering, pain shame, DEATH, with the utter sacrifice of God''s only begotten Son, propitiation for our sins.
A verse that speaks of ourselves becoming with Love inside us outwardly pushed forth by The power of God inside us working us through this bit of unrighteousness act that is NOT us.
Jude 1: 20 : But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in The Holy Spirit.
And , that above verse speaks of the power of prayer in solidifying our faith in God.
And, this below verse speaks of a parralelism , cross reference , with 1 John 5:18, speaking of born of God believer that 'keeps himself.'
The parallell verse is verse 21 of Jude: 'Keep yourselves in love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. '
KEEP YOURSELVES in the LOVE of God !
This, to me, speaks of how God brings us to recognition of sin, His Love . His Love keeps us from sin.
The devil wants to CONVICT us of our sins but our conviction in the belief of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ decimated Satan's work and ability to now convict us of sin though he tries, again and again and again, in Christ, as 1 John 5:18 states, '... the wicked one does not touch him.'
Scripture is clear: God disciplines His own. So we can be TOUCHED after being born of God and baptized in The Spirit, but not by The Devil, we, with God, unless God allows Satan to touch us like Job, we can not be touched . Therefore, in Christ, Satan can't even convict us, it what we THINK is the Enemy convicting is Christ disciplining His own in Love.
IF we are following God with our life sinlessly living as the Lord gives us the ultimate power to do, we are having been told the knowledge of good and evil (yes, right, just like Adam and Eve) and we are choosing to do good, refusing the temptation of eating the eye-pleasing fruit becaude of the power of the Holy Spirit.
Crossfyre, not to disagree too much because your posts said are powerful belief statements of Him, staunchions of doctrine. But, on this, and, maybe I understand wrong, hey the apostles admiited their finitude of our infinite God , so shall I
, but this is how I view the Holy Spirit in my life, as a FRIEND, AS a HELPER, as a COUNSELOR. And, more names for our Spirit dwelling in us, however, convictor is not a word I use for the Holy Spirit, not a condemner either, as you stated this latter belief, which I agree.But here is how I view the Holy Spirit, whom I relationship with daily in my life and He blesses me, keeps me, overflows me with grace and mercy to keep sin from me. And, I do waver but I know the Lord leads and He keeps me from settling into sin that WAS my walk before borning into a new body that is with Christ.
OK, green, so this has been said, so what word do you use to describe the sin that creeps up on you?
IF its true that born of God, one does NOT sin (1 John 3:6) , then what sort of verb can one use to explain God's corrective measures to keep us in righteousness?
Love, not just any love, but love of God, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus and their is also no conviction from Christ Jesus. Condemnation AND conviction of our sins comes from one person who wants us to wallow and sorrow and mope and become paralyzed to the acts. Who? Satan. He is the father of lies. God destroyed guilt, suffering, pain shame, DEATH, with the utter sacrifice of God''s only begotten Son, propitiation for our sins.
A verse that speaks of ourselves becoming with Love inside us outwardly pushed forth by The power of God inside us working us through this bit of unrighteousness act that is NOT us.
Jude 1: 20 : But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in The Holy Spirit.
And , that above verse speaks of the power of prayer in solidifying our faith in God.
And, this below verse speaks of a parralelism , cross reference , with 1 John 5:18, speaking of born of God believer that 'keeps himself.'
The parallell verse is verse 21 of Jude: 'Keep yourselves in love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. '
KEEP YOURSELVES in the LOVE of God !
This, to me, speaks of how God brings us to recognition of sin, His Love . His Love keeps us from sin.
The devil wants to CONVICT us of our sins but our conviction in the belief of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ decimated Satan's work and ability to now convict us of sin though he tries, again and again and again, in Christ, as 1 John 5:18 states, '... the wicked one does not touch him.'
Scripture is clear: God disciplines His own. So we can be TOUCHED after being born of God and baptized in The Spirit, but not by The Devil, we, with God, unless God allows Satan to touch us like Job, we can not be touched . Therefore, in Christ, Satan can't even convict us, it what we THINK is the Enemy convicting is Christ disciplining His own in Love.
I totally agree with this, but let me add one thing
I have also met people (especially young Christians) who were never taught about the grace and mercy of God, and they don't understand that they CAN be forgiven for a trespass/sin. They become so terrified of the wrath of God, they completely forget about the GREATEST commandment, which is to LOVE God. It's very difficult to love someone with all of your heart if you're afraid of them. So, yes, the conviction (perhaps I should say "correction") of The Holy Spirit should NEVER be ignored, but it is important for people to realize that He corrects us because He loves us.
P.S. In my experience, conviction (ah, "correction") is very specific, and you know exactly what you did wrong, so you can ask Jesus to help you do better next time, or show you what you need to change in your life. Condemnation, however, tends to be more of a general feeling that God doesn't love you, or that He never will. Condemnation RUINS our relationship with God, but conviction (correction) IMPROVES it (if we're obedient).
I have also met people (especially young Christians) who were never taught about the grace and mercy of God, and they don't understand that they CAN be forgiven for a trespass/sin. They become so terrified of the wrath of God, they completely forget about the GREATEST commandment, which is to LOVE God. It's very difficult to love someone with all of your heart if you're afraid of them. So, yes, the conviction (perhaps I should say "correction") of The Holy Spirit should NEVER be ignored, but it is important for people to realize that He corrects us because He loves us
.P.S. In my experience, conviction (ah, "correction") is very specific, and you know exactly what you did wrong, so you can ask Jesus to help you do better next time, or show you what you need to change in your life. Condemnation, however, tends to be more of a general feeling that God doesn't love you, or that He never will. Condemnation RUINS our relationship with God, but conviction (correction) IMPROVES it (if we're obedient
).
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I totally agree with this, but let me add one thing
I have also met people (especially young Christians) who were never taught about the grace and mercy of God, and they don't understand that they CAN be forgiven for a trespass/sin. They become so terrified of the wrath of God, they completely forget about the GREATEST commandment, which is to LOVE God. It's very difficult to love someone with all of your heart if you're afraid of them. So, yes, the conviction (perhaps I should say "correction") of The Holy Spirit should NEVER be ignored, but it is important for people to realize that He corrects us because He loves us.
P.S. In my experience, conviction (ah, "correction") is very specific, and you know exactly what you did wrong, so you can ask Jesus to help you do better next time, or show you what you need to change in your life. Condemnation, however, tends to be more of a general feeling that God doesn't love you, or that He never will. Condemnation RUINS our relationship with God, but conviction (correction) IMPROVES it (if we're obedient).
I have also met people (especially young Christians) who were never taught about the grace and mercy of God, and they don't understand that they CAN be forgiven for a trespass/sin. They become so terrified of the wrath of God, they completely forget about the GREATEST commandment, which is to LOVE God. It's very difficult to love someone with all of your heart if you're afraid of them. So, yes, the conviction (perhaps I should say "correction") of The Holy Spirit should NEVER be ignored, but it is important for people to realize that He corrects us because He loves us
.P.S. In my experience, conviction (ah, "correction") is very specific, and you know exactly what you did wrong, so you can ask Jesus to help you do better next time, or show you what you need to change in your life. Condemnation, however, tends to be more of a general feeling that God doesn't love you, or that He never will. Condemnation RUINS our relationship with God, but conviction (correction) IMPROVES it (if we're obedient
).
Convict, snackersmommy, is that really how God's Love works?
I used to think it did work that way, but not anymore.....
God deals with His children's mistakes, not sins, because John states that once a man is born of God (born again, regenerated) he does not sin.' So, what does this mean....
It means that God works in Love to His own, He does not need to convict His children, they, scripture states were convicted by the Holy Spirit in coming to Christ, but, after this initial conviction, God then deals with His own differently, and, you said the word in your post, 'correction..'
I just wanted you to know that as I see it, clearly I think, milady, our great God does not do conviction on His kids (believers), but He does indeed discipline (correct) His own. Scripture says so in more places than one that God disciplines those He loves that are His chosen (elected Him as Lord of their life). And, here is one place, Hebrews 12: 5-11:
” And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons; ”My sons, do not despise the chasten mean of the lord no or be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; for whom the lord loves he chastens and scourges every son whom he receives. If you endure chastening, of which all have become partakers then you are illegitimate and not sons. furthermore we have had human fathers to correct his ass and we paid them respect shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live. 4 day indeed for a few days chasing us as seemed the best to them but he for our profit that we may be partakers of His holiness. now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present but painful; nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.”
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*not ”corrects his ass”
Should be: ”who corrected us.”
Sorry all, my MyTouch 4G I speak into got word(s) wrong and I only caught it after editing 5 min. up.
Trust me, I don't take kindly to any way of speaking derogatory, unless the Lord leads me into an offensive mode, but, I think, that would be only my m.o. if reaching a person not responding to common talking of my telling the gospel .
See, God just corrected me by the Spirit
Should be: ”who corrected us.”
Sorry all, my MyTouch 4G I speak into got word(s) wrong and I only caught it after editing 5 min. up.
Trust me, I don't take kindly to any way of speaking derogatory, unless the Lord leads me into an offensive mode, but, I think, that would be only my m.o. if reaching a person not responding to common talking of my telling the gospel .
See, God just corrected me by the Spirit
G
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The Holy Spirit is our counselor and (fair) judge, so, yes, that does make Him a believer's conscience, canuck36. The non believer's conscience runs differently, of The world, which is under a diffetent master's control, he be Satan, deceiver and thief of hearts, not to mention of mind of life.
The Holy Spirit is our counselor and (fair) judge, so, yes, that does make Him a believer's conscience, canuck36. The non believer's conscience runs differently, of The world, which is under a diffetent master's control, he be Satan, deceiver and thief of hearts, not to mention of mind of life.