Conviction

[Canadian36]

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The Holy Spirit is our counselor and (fair) judge, so, yes, that does make Him a believer's conscience, canuck36. The non believer's conscience runs differently, of The world, which is under a diffetent master's control, he be Satan, deceiver and thief of hearts, not to mention of mind of life.

I disagree. Everyone is born with a conscience, believer or not. If we didn't we actually would never have acheived this level of civilization. Without a conscience it would be too hard to achieve civility in society.

 

[Crossfire]

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The Holy Spirit is our counselor and (fair) judge, so, yes, that does make Him a believer's conscience, canuck36. The non believer's conscience runs differently, of The world, which is under a diffetent master's control, he be Satan, deceiver and thief of hearts, not to mention of mind of life. [/quote]

Most don't seem to realize that one of the indwelling Holy Spirit's preferred means of communicating with us is through our conscience. This is why so many tend to miss the Lord's will for their lives because they often times mistake the voice of the Holy Spirit with their own inner voice. On occasion the Holy Spirit will instruct us to do something that will improve our lives or the lives of someone else but because that instruction might require us to do something outside of our personal comfort zone, we dismiss it as our own imagination.

Personally, I make it a habit to listen to my conscience no matter what. Sure there have been times when I didn't follow through and had to repent of such however, if I hear something in my conscience that sounds like a Godly thing to do, I do it out of faith because even if it was just my conscience, I still did a good deed that impacted my life and, at times, the life of another.

 

[Snackersmom]

” And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons; ”My sons, do not despise the chasten mean of the lord no or be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; for whom the lord loves he chastens and scourges every son whom he receives. If you endure chastening, of which all have become partakers then you are illegitimate and not sons. furthermore we have had human fathers to correct us and we paid them respect shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live. 4 day indeed for a few days chasing us as seemed the best to them but he for our profit that we may be partakers of His holiness. now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present but painful; nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.”

Yes, this is what I was was talking about, Mr. Green (I corrected your typo before quoting, hehe ).

As I stated before, "conviction" may not be the best word, although it's the one I grew up with, and I never thought of it as anything bad (although perhaps unpleasant at times, after I did something REALLY goober-headed )

But, whatever word you use: chastening, scourging, rebuking, training, correcting........what I am referring to is that ooky feeling you get when you realize: "Oooohhhh.........That was NOT the right thing to do......." And then you can take it to the Lord in prayer, and get your lesson, and hopefully not make the same mistake next time. I grew up hearing this called "conviction", but perhaps that's not the best word to use

 

[GreenNnice]

I disagree. Everyone is born with a conscience, believer or not. If we didn't we actually would never have acheived this level of civilization. Without a conscience it would be too hard to achieve civility in society.

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Canuck36, when one is born again of God , their conscience is under God''s guidance of His Holy Spirit, that is what I meant to say last night, I did not word it well last time, sorry. And, also, what can one expect from one with green brains and writing sleepily at late at night, or, early in morning, to be technically correct?
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Crossfyre

Most don't seem to realize that one of the indwelling Holy Spirit's preferred means of communicating with us is through our conscience.

This is ONLY how the Holy Spirit communicates witn us, crossfyre.

When we 'listen to our heart,' this is direct reference to inside ourselves and that would be our conscience, and, those born of God do not sin, they can but they don't because The Holy Spirit covers us, speaking to us through our conscience, which belongs to Him and Satan can NOT touch Him who is MINDED (keeps himself) with Him (1 John 5:18) , as in Father God's spirit, given through entrance of Jesus into the world (Jesus was with God''s Holy Spirit seed, per scripture, Luke 1:35)

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes, this is what I was was talking about, Mr. Green (I corrected your typo before quoting, hehe ).

As I stated before, "conviction" may not be the best word, although it's the one I grew up with, and I never thought of it as anything bad (although perhaps unpleasant at times, after I did something REALLY goober-headed )

But, whatever word you use: chastening, scourging, rebuking, training, correcting........what I am referring to is that ooky feeling you get when you realize: "Oooohhhh.........That was NOT the right thing to do......." And then you can take it to the Lord in prayer, and get your lesson, and hopefully not make the same mistake next time. I grew up hearing this called "conviction", but perhaps that's not the best word to use

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Yes, snackersmommy, indeed, the typo was funny, but not how our Loving God speaks to correct us.

God is Loving, and, yes, that 'ooky' feeling, lol, is good, indeed, for us as we realize we've strayed from His path for us. And, milady, you're not related to 'The Adams Family?'
'Ooky, kooky, snackersmommy.' Rhymes even

Of course, I'm kiddin' ya, and, yes, IF you want to THINK you are conVicted of your wrong things done, so be it, the Lord leads us to all Truth, but, for me now, that is not a word, upon my further recent study, that I see at all in God's vocabulary of dealing with His kids . Only Satan guilts we sheep. That snake, er, goat !
Scourging , chastening, correcting, rebuking, all those words in scripture speak of eradicating our bad without making us feel GUILTY. God compares our chastening in scripture to Love for us.
A father does not convict (pronounce them guilty and deserving prison) his child of a wrongdoing, he corrects them, sometimes harshly, but it is done in Love , with no scarring left in child's mind of the feeling of guilt for the wrongdoing

BUT, 'convict' speaks of not just bringing guilt but of being FOUND guilty. I just don't see my God (and yours) operating with that modus operandi .

He is our Comforter, Counselor (advocate), and, Helper .

God bless you, Christ sis, and that ooky, kooky pottery son you have

 

[PopClick]

Should be: ”who corrected us.”

~Laughs like crazy at GreenNnice's expense~

 

[GreenNnice]

Wait, one more post! Hehe.

I do agree the The Holy Spirit draws unbelievers to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ . However........

When I mention that I felt "conviction" about something I did, I'm referring to that ooky feeling you get when you know you've messed up. It's not a "You're going to hades now" kind of thing, it's more like "Time out, Missy, we need to deal with this", a spiritual correction, and it's usually pretty gentle (although, at times when I needed firmness, it was firm).

Like a loving Father, who wants His kid to be all they can be.

Anyway, that has been my experience. I don't think of the conviction of The Holy Spirit to be a bad thing, at all. It keeps me growing and behaving!

Yes, this is how it is, no matter how BAD we are, snackersmommy, the Lord does not bring us back to Him via conviction, He knows we don't need to be found guilty of any crime, we just need to be drawn close and Loved and His grace and mercy abounds for the wrongs we commit as the Spirit works us unto understanding of what was done not in His will for our life.

~Laughs like crazy at GreenNnice's expense~

Snap! That was just a wrong thing to say wasn't it , and, I didn't say it,, my phone recorder heard me wrong. It 's all the recorder's fault, pop!click.

 

[Canadian36]

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Canuck36, when one is born again of God , their conscience is under God''s guidance of His Holy Spirit, that is what I meant to say last night, I did not word it well last time, sorry. And, also, what can one expect from one with green brains and writing sleepily at late at night, or, early in morning, to be technically correct?

yes that's true

 

[GreenNnice]

yes that's true

The Lord leads, God bless your walk, listen to Him, He will lead you to all Truth, thanks, too, for helping me get my teaching thought taught right, canuck36, Christ bro

 

[jkalyna]

IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN THE SUPERNATUAL IN A NATURAL WAY. BUT HERE IS ONE EXAMPLE. I AM A MOM OF 2 DAUGHTERS, WHICH IS TRUE. I SAY SOMETHING UNKIND OR UNLOVING TO THE 18 YR OLD. THE HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTS ME THAT I SHOULD BE CORRECTED ALSO. THAT LOVE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, THE NINE FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOULD BE A PART OF MY CHARACTER AS A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, THEREFORE I AM CONVICTED OF THIS AND DO FEEL CONVICTED, THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOWED ME I NEED TO CHANGE.