Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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I can only surmise that you do not comprehend what the cause of Christ encompasses.
I can only suggest that you laugh because you hate that I do not allow you to have your false piety. Jesus had the Pharisees to deal with and Jesus referred to them as vipers and the tombs filled with dead men's bones. Painted white on the outside to look pure yet inside they contained all the filth of death. Perfect description then as now of those who make a pretense of religion but are without a genuine knowledge of Gods saving grace. They would rescue a little bird that has fallen out of the nest and allow the souls of men to be condemned rather than teach the gospel that can give them eternal life.
Romans 1 speaks of those who knowing the recompense of God continue to do those things that God hates.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I can only suggest that you laugh because you hate that I do not allow you to have your false piety. Jesus had the Pharisees to deal with and Jesus referred to them as vipers and the tombs filled with dead men's bones. Painted white on the outside to look pure yet inside they contained all the filth of death. Perfect description then as now of those who make a pretense of religion but are without a genuine knowledge of Gods saving grace. They would rescue a little bird that has fallen out of the nest and allow the souls of men to be condemned rather than teach the gospel that can give them eternal life.
Romans 1 speaks of those who knowing the recompense of God continue to do those things that God hates.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It was the Blood that was shed on the Cross that washed us clean of all our sins. It was not His suffering that washed us clean of our sins.
Look at the shedding of the blood of the animals in the O.T for the cleansing of the sins of the people. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. The Cross is all about the blood of Jesus cleansing us of all our sins.
As for the Catholics we need to pray for them and bring to them the Gospel of Salvation. In Matthew 7:21-23 the Holy Spirit teaches us that not everybody who says "Lord, Lord" has received Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Today this applies to the Catholics. Instead of picking on them and fighting with them we need to love them and bring the message of Salvation to them.
Jesus taught its Love we need not hate and in house fighting.
Look at the shedding of the blood of the animals in the O.T for the cleansing of the sins of the people. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. The Cross is all about the blood of Jesus cleansing us of all our sins.
As for the Catholics we need to pray for them and bring to them the Gospel of Salvation. In Matthew 7:21-23 the Holy Spirit teaches us that not everybody who says "Lord, Lord" has received Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Today this applies to the Catholics. Instead of picking on them and fighting with them we need to love them and bring the message of Salvation to them.
Jesus taught its Love we need not hate and in house fighting.
The thread title is an invitation to Catholic bashing. It's a Rule #2 violation in my opinion. I haven't read the entire thread but I am appalled by the hate, lies, bigotry, misrepresentation, quotes taken out of context, and snippets from anti-Catholic publications. Anyone reading this thread with no knowledge of Catholicism could come away believing so much garbage.
None of the early reformers believed Mary was a sinner. So it's a safe conclusion that those who subscribe to this kind of thinking are in rebellion to their own spiritual forefathers (who invented "Bible-alone theology). It must be recorded somewhere who the first post-reformation Christian was who invented this insult to Our Lord's mother. Anybody have a reference?
None of the early reformers believed Mary was a sinner. So it's a safe conclusion that those who subscribe to this kind of thinking are in rebellion to their own spiritual forefathers (who invented "Bible-alone theology). It must be recorded somewhere who the first post-reformation Christian was who invented this insult to Our Lord's mother. Anybody have a reference?
Your opinion is duly noted. Now having Catholic family members I have found little in this thread that is untrue. I am watching my father in law face the end of his life. He is miserable and sacred to die. He has trusted the church all his life and he innately knows that they are lying to him but its too late for him to change. He has been presented the gospel and he is too steeped in tradition to receive it. Too religious to receive the simple truth that Jesus saves and not the church. Salvation by grace and not through the rites and works of the Catholic church. He very much believes that the communion elements impart saving grace. He goes to mass everyday to attempt to ease the burden he carries in his heart. Rome adds to his burden everyday. No hope and no relief it is very sad.
Mary never claimed to be sinless. I think she would have been horrified at the thought.
This thread has only pointed out the many anti biblical positions of the Catholic church. It is not an attack on individual Catholics. True piety and holiness does not vaunt itself. Bashing no, warning yes.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Mary never claimed to be sinless. I think she would have been horrified at the thought.
This thread has only pointed out the many anti biblical positions of the Catholic church. It is not an attack on individual Catholics. True piety and holiness does not vaunt itself. Bashing no, warning yes.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Having Catholic family members does not make you an authority on Catholicism and most of what is in this thread on Catholicism is based on lies and bigotry that you accept as true.(out of blind prejudice)
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It's normal to face death with difficulty and you want to blame the Church for that.
This is typical anti-Catholic rhetoric. "he innately knows that they are lying to him". Really? Are you a mind reader? You know the state of his soul?
Which gospel? the evangelical gospel? The non-denominational gospel which is different from the evangelical gospel? or the baptist gospel which is different from both? Or has he been presented with your opinion of what the gospel is?
This is a good example of twisting. The Church's primary mission is to teach salvation through Jesus. I would be happy to quote the official catechism but you would just ignore it. BTW, it is a doctrine you borrowed from us. This is really muddled. Salvation by grace is a Catholic doctrine, and I submit you don't have a clue what "rites and works" are. What's sad is your blind prejudice, and judging the Church based on the struggles of a man in his last days.
Then you should have no problem answering my question. If none of the reformers believed Mary to be a sinner, who invented the insulting doctrine? If you cannot or will not give a name, at least give a time frame when "bible-Christians" invented it.
Just answer the question.
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It's normal to face death with difficulty and you want to blame the Church for that.
This is typical anti-Catholic rhetoric. "he innately knows that they are lying to him". Really? Are you a mind reader? You know the state of his soul?
Which gospel? the evangelical gospel? The non-denominational gospel which is different from the evangelical gospel? or the baptist gospel which is different from both? Or has he been presented with your opinion of what the gospel is?
This is a good example of twisting. The Church's primary mission is to teach salvation through Jesus. I would be happy to quote the official catechism but you would just ignore it. BTW, it is a doctrine you borrowed from us. This is really muddled. Salvation by grace is a Catholic doctrine, and I submit you don't have a clue what "rites and works" are. What's sad is your blind prejudice, and judging the Church based on the struggles of a man in his last days.
Then you should have no problem answering my question. If none of the reformers believed Mary to be a sinner, who invented the insulting doctrine? If you cannot or will not give a name, at least give a time frame when "bible-Christians" invented it.
Just answer the question.
I read the book. Be honest the Catholic church does not teach salvation by grace.
I've seen believers face death with true abiding peace. The Catholic church denies peace even for the pope. No certainty of salvation only a hope for a short time in purgatory. I know when someone is fearful of what they face. Rome teaches purgatory which burns with the fires of hell. He knows he's a sinner and has less confidence in Rome's ability to save him the closer he gets to his death. I have eyes to see and ears to hear.
How about the gospel of Christ the one the real apostles declared? Not the perversion Rome has made it to be. Quote away perhaps you can refresh some of your Catholic buddies about what they are supposed to believe. Grace meted out by the church. Grace received by water baptism, by confirmation, by communion elements, by absolution and penance. Not the grace God gives to the sinner who humbly comes to the foot of the cross under conviction of the Holy Spirit seeking forgiveness. Paul wrote it in Romans chapter 3. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Catholics have invented nothing but falsehoods regarding the gospel. Just be honest with yourself. I have tasted of the goodness of Christ and have no interest in the false teachings of Rome. Even the pope has no certain hope that he will avoid the fires of purgatory. Masses for the dead will be offered but God does not hear. With their lips these serve Me but their hearts are far from Me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I've seen believers face death with true abiding peace. The Catholic church denies peace even for the pope. No certainty of salvation only a hope for a short time in purgatory. I know when someone is fearful of what they face. Rome teaches purgatory which burns with the fires of hell. He knows he's a sinner and has less confidence in Rome's ability to save him the closer he gets to his death. I have eyes to see and ears to hear.
How about the gospel of Christ the one the real apostles declared? Not the perversion Rome has made it to be. Quote away perhaps you can refresh some of your Catholic buddies about what they are supposed to believe. Grace meted out by the church. Grace received by water baptism, by confirmation, by communion elements, by absolution and penance. Not the grace God gives to the sinner who humbly comes to the foot of the cross under conviction of the Holy Spirit seeking forgiveness. Paul wrote it in Romans chapter 3. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Catholics have invented nothing but falsehoods regarding the gospel. Just be honest with yourself. I have tasted of the goodness of Christ and have no interest in the false teachings of Rome. Even the pope has no certain hope that he will avoid the fires of purgatory. Masses for the dead will be offered but God does not hear. With their lips these serve Me but their hearts are far from Me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Repeating Romans 3:23 where Paul says by inspiration of the Holy Spirit All men including Mary are sinners, all have come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:10 There is none righteous no not one all the way to verse 17.
You cannot deflect this as a doctrine of men but you must see it as doctrine given by God.
If you have a problem it is with God and not me.
Now tell me how a Roman Catholic is saved. If you can.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You cannot deflect this as a doctrine of men but you must see it as doctrine given by God.
If you have a problem it is with God and not me.
Now tell me how a Roman Catholic is saved. If you can.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God." This verse does NOT say "all men INCLUDING MARY are sinners!" LOL! Was Mary a sinner? Yes of course she was, but Romans 3:23 does NOT state that she was. 
The heresy of Rome is no laughing matter to me. You know this doctrine leads to the assumption of Mary? Rome teaches that Mary did not die but was assumed into heaven. For if Mary was without sin she could never die.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Romans 3:23 or 10-17 does not disqualify Mary from being "Full of Grace". And it still does not answer the question. Who or what time period after the reformation did "Bible-Christians" invent the "Mary is a sinner" theory? Or has all of Christendom been wrong until such time? I already gave the answer. It's a man made insult to Our Lord's mother, not because it's true, but because out of the long list of anti-Catholic falsehoods, that one is particularly offensive to Catholics, including Jesus Himself. It's spiritual sadism. My point is this: how can any Christian who accepts notions pulled out of thin air 300 years ago declare anyone else to be in heresy?
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No-one invented "Mary is a sinner" -- the Bible indicates clearly that she was a sinner - just like everyone else...
Jesus is the only human being - who has ever lived on the face of this earth - who lived "sinless" --- if you do not understand this properly - or do not agree with this - you are completely and entirely missing "the whole point" and "the central meaning" of the Gospel message...
So -- you are saying that Jesus was a Catholic?
Jesus is the only human being - who has ever lived on the face of this earth - who lived "sinless" --- if you do not understand this properly - or do not agree with this - you are completely and entirely missing "the whole point" and "the central meaning" of the Gospel message...
So -- you are saying that Jesus was a Catholic?
Jesus said;
"Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist;"
(Mat. 11:11)
Jesus was born of a woman. Is John the Baptist then greater than Jesus?
Of course not.
Picking and choosing your verses, as you do, with no regard for the body of scripture, only serves to twist the teachings of Christ for your own hateful and utterly ignorant cause, which btw is certainly not the "cause for Christ", Roger.
"Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist;"
(Mat. 11:11)
Jesus was born of a woman. Is John the Baptist then greater than Jesus?
Of course not.
Picking and choosing your verses, as you do, with no regard for the body of scripture, only serves to twist the teachings of Christ for your own hateful and utterly ignorant cause, which btw is certainly not the "cause for Christ", Roger.