Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

[ozell]

=RickShafer;805901]Ozell,
Don't you think that is a little insulting to God.
That you claim His life was only good enough
to teach and replace the blood of bulls and goats?
Did not Jesus in His life fulfill all of the law?

Brother

Jesus has not returned the 2nd time what about the words of his return

Did He or not?

again Jesus fulfilled the law of animal sacrifice

And if He didn't, what did He leave unfinished?

satan and the wicked, , setting up his kingdom? etc, etc

And if He left ANYTHING uncompleted why was the
temple veil separating the inner court from the Holy of
Holies wrent from top to bottom

the end of animal sacrifice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


what was the purpose of the veil in the temple Rick?

Why would the hand of God do this, if all of the law separating mankind from God wasn't fulfilled?

do you understand the law of animal sacrifice the temple services and the veil and the most holy?

no you don't, if you did you would not asked your question.

 

[RickShafer]

Ozell,
Many High Priests were slain in the Holy of Holies because of their
own sins.
Not because they didn't perform the animal sacrifices correctly.
Many took graft(payment), others did various things against God's law
that had nothing to do with animal sacrifices; and they were killed
deader than a hammer.
Again, the veil would not be rent just because Jesus fulfilled the
burden of animal sacrifice.
If it was just a matter of that, the high priests wouldn't have needed a cord tied around their ankles to pull them back out.

 

[ozell]

Why don't you answer my question about how God rent the veil from top

to bottom before you go onto another thread?
I just want to know what part of the law Jesus did not consummate.

the thread is started
this is not the topic


since you don't know

Read the whole chapters


Leviticus 4:5-7
King James Version (KJV)

5 And the priest that is anointed shall take of the bullock's blood, and bring it to the tabernacle of the congregation:
6 And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the Lord, before the vail of the sanctuary.
7 And the priest shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the Lord, which is in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Leviticus 16:2
And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat

the veil rent ending the law of animal sacrifce and the leviticus preisthood

 

[ozell]

Ozell,
Many High Priests were slain in the Holy of Holies because of their
own sins.
Not because they didn't perform the animal sacrifices correctly.
Many took graft(payment), others did various things against God's law
that had nothing to do with animal sacrifices; and they were killed
deader than a hammer.
Again, the veil would not be rent just because Jesus fulfilled the
burden of animal sacrifice.
If it was just a matter of that, the high priests wouldn't have needed a cord tied around their ankles to pull them back out.

where is this written?

 

[ozell]

Go to the thread dealing with this subject.

i will answer no more off topic comments

 

[RickShafer]

If I told you, you wouldn't check it out anyway.
You didn't check what I said concerning Titus : Acts 15, Gal. 2:3.
Do that study first and then I'll show you where it is written about personal perfection being necessary for the mercyseat offering.

 

[RickShafer]

'Go to the thread dealing with this subject.

i will answer no more off topic comments'

This subject is spot on the topic.
You contend that the High Priest only dealt with the performing of the sacrifice.
I'm telling you He had to be sinless under the WHOLE Mosaic law or he
wasn't getting out of the Holy of Holies alive.

 

[RickShafer]

Ozell,
You short change the life of Christ.

 

[RickShafer]

Jesus IS the High Priest.
He is sinless and He walked into the Holy of Holies
and performed the perfect offering.
Thus, once and for all reconciling GOD to MAN.
(Man being those that receive His Atonement.)

Ozell, you either accept all of Him or none of Him.

 

[ozell]

Ozell,
You short change the life of Christ.

where at ?

 

[ozell]

Jesus IS the High Priest.
He is sinless and He walked into the Holy of Holies
and performed the perfect offering.
Thus, once and for all reconciling GOD to MAN.
(Man being those that receive His Atonement.)

Ozell, you either accept all of Him or none of Him.

who was the high priest before Jesus died on the cross?

 

[ozell]

If I told you, you wouldn't check it out anyway.

You didn't check what I said concerning Titus : Acts 15, Gal. 2:3.
Do that study first and then I'll show you where it is written about personal perfection being necessary for the mercyseat offering.

I checked and responded it is not what you wants to hear Rick

I don't agree with you because the bible don't agree with you

get circumcised Brother it is the law a law that is still in effect!

i don't matter if you read the topic i will continue with it, you may be compelled to participate

1. Ezekiel 44:9
   Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

this one verse shatters your doctrine

this is wen the Lord is here on earth in his kingdom and if you are not circumcised oh well the verse speaks for it self

 

[RickShafer]

Oh heavens to betsy Ozell,

Don't you know what 'circumcised' in the flesh means there?
Also they don't shave their heads(get a haircut),they shall poll their heads.
Have you gotten a haircut lately? Or has your head been polled?
Can't you see the spiritual ramifications of this prophetic utterance?
This, as the whole of these last ten chapters of ezekiel is a prophetic shadow.
It's like calling Jesus a lion. Isn't He the Lion of the tribe of Judah!
Where's His teeth???

 

[RickShafer]

Plus, I hope you are one of the physical Israel, because no stranger enters there.

 

[RickShafer]

Can't you see the spiritual meanings of the prophet?
He means there will be no short comings in the priests of the most high in His kingdom,
(like the priests of the earthly kingdom of Israel).

 

[RickShafer]

Don't ever use prophetic utterances to prove a physical claim.
Prophecies are in one realm, the spiritual.
Is Jesus a door?
Is He literally a lamb- (a young sheep?)
You can't take prophetic utterances that describe types and shadows
and make them literal.
Was David a stem that grew out of the root of Jesse(his father)?
Was Jesse a tree, and David a sapling?
Don't make literal interpretations out of prophecy.

 

[RickShafer]

What I'm saying is you would save yourself and those that heed you alot of trouble
if you would separate the law from prophetic types and shadows.

 

[ReinItIn]

i can't seem to pull up the beginning of this thread to see the original post . I am wondering if romans 8 has already been part of this discussion. There is the law of the Spirit of life and there is the Law of Sin and death. All flesh is condemned by God. So what is the law of the Spirit? What is the Law of sin and death? what Law and ruler was man under till Christ came? What law and ruler is man under Now that he is at the right hand of the Father?

Seems to me both laws are working, both rulers have there kingdom till Christ returns and the prince of this World is removed.

 

[Abiding]

Rick

Jesus fulfilled the law of animal sacrifice and what he was prophesied to do for 3.5 years he taught the word.

when you speak of law there are many

animal sacrifice
commandments
feast days
circumcision
dietary laws
and every word that comes from the mouth of Jesus

Jesus fulfilled the law of animal sacrifce

the other laws are not fulfilled! they MUST be kept

Jesus put an end to animal sacrifices..yes
He fulfilled commandments so we could be one with Him and the Father and also establish them
which feast day did He not fulfill? He fulfilled them all...but the consumation at His return
Circumcision was changed from the flesh to the heart...you know that.
Dietary laws were loosed by Peters vision...you know that also.
Yes every word..i agree.

 

[Nest]

Remember God "is" Love, he is not a God. He is Understanding, He is long suffering, He is Love! He is. James 13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; See He is Righteous.