A question for mature Christian men

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lovespeace123

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This may sound Chauvinist, but I often wonder: If I had enough faith or had the faith of Abraham and friendship with God, could I get a 'Sarah' to call me 'master' or to even 'think' it in her heart? I really think yes....

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NatelovesTDWP

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Im struggling with this also...
it helps to have an accountability partner.
if you have texting on your cell have your partner whom should be someone that you trust to just text you 'NO!!!.' its to the point and you'll know what it means.
also on xxxchurch.com there is an X3 software that will email any questionable websites that you go on to the person of your choosing therefore, that person could confront you about it.
hope this helps
God bless,
Nate
 
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broken

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Marriage will not stop lust. It will just teach you to hide it from your spouse. I've been married for 14 years and chained to the bondage of pornography throughout most of it.

My advice: prayer, fasting, going to the word daily. Renew your mind daily. Understand that you can do nothing in and of yourself, but you can do all things through Christ. Fast to subdue your flesh, not to earn anything.
 
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lovespeace1234

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Marriage will not stop lust. It will just teach you to hide it from your spouse. I've been married for 14 years and chained to the bondage of pornography throughout most of it.

My advice: prayer, fasting, going to the word daily. Renew your mind daily. Understand that you can do nothing in and of yourself, but you can do all things through Christ. Fast to subdue your flesh, not to earn anything.

It is really hard to beat lust doctrinally. I have been worn down to that conclusion. The wisdom of sex in America is either great self-control and avoidance (flee from sexual immorality) or marriage.

I hope I'm not hated, but it would seem that pornography is better than cheating on your spouse. Kudos!!!

BY FAITH, I believe wholeheartedly that healthy women SUBMITTED to their husbands are the cure for porngraphy.

I foolishly comfort you because it seems like in the game of sex, It is hard to get God-intended/God-ordained sex (with a spouse), men always chose the less harmful/more FILLING option. The sadness is that it leads to degeneration because there is ONLY one 'YES' of sex and that is: on a prIvate marriage bed between a man and a woman that GIVE to one another.

I'm full of offense because of your wife. Where is the wife of your youth in all this. I don't shame you, but I wonder about her: Who in all hell hides lust from their spouse? She might need counseling more than you. I shouldn't blame her seeing hows its not trendy to do so, but doctrinally between the two of you...pornography should not be a weakness.

You may need to get sex in perspective and she may need to simply (as the bible writes) give her husband due benevolence which mat include re-beautfying herself inside and out.

I see the fruit of the church and wonder a little bit. I guesstimate that if men and women stop placing stumbling blocks for one another in the bedroom, they may make it out of the house in one piece...(not that they are not placing stumbling blocks on the street as well) enough to evolve a neighborhood or city or community.

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lovespeace1234

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Let me follow that message by writing that I am no better than anyone. I have natural lusts like anyone else. I have dealt with porn and am seeking to get married.

I am just convinced that God GIVES GRACE. How a man and his wife ( the wife of his youth at that) cannot nip youthful lust in the bud is discouraging and shows a serious breakdown in God's intended grace for a natural lust in a nation overwhelmed with lust and sexual perversion.

That grace is simply marriage.


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broken

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I'm not offended, inspite of your offense at the bride of my youth. I am a bit impressed at your ability to look into my marriage though. We had and still do have great sex and my wife does more than look beautiful The problem had nothing to do with her, but was my own covetousness and lust.

You should really exercise a bit more judgement before blasting a guys wife on a public forum. The problem was always about me.

Christ teaches that fantasy sex is equal to adultry, so according to Christ porn == adultry.
 
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lovespeace1234

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I'm not offended, inspite of your offense at the bride of my youth. I am a bit impressed at your ability to look into my marriage though. We had and still do have great sex and my wife does more than look beautiful The problem had nothing to do with her, but was my own covetousness and lust.

You should really exercise a bit more judgement before blasting a guys wife on a public forum. The problem was always about me.

Christ teaches that fantasy sex is equal to adultry, so according to Christ porn == adultry.
Yeah, I didn't figure for that. I guessed that if a man had a beautiful wife who He enjoyed sex with, He would not be looking other places for it. I figured wrong.
 
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Ph8

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wow, so much to say, i'll just put out a few things. for me, a critical verse is found in the first chapter of Job, wherin he states that he "learned to bounce his eyes" it's one thing to notice a good looking woman, that's not sin, but an alarm should go off in your head when your thoughts begin to go beyond noticing. trhy bouncing your eyes more. monitor your thoughts, when your thoughts head in the undesired direction, learn to redirect your thoughts. easier said than done, but you must realize that our sins are a process, best to stop the process in its early stages. a Fool sits near temptation and says "i'm going to be strong" , a wise man avoids temptaion by a mile...so, for instance, i wax my board before i go to the beach, cali girls aren't known for modest swimsuits..you know how to avoid trouble spots, so do it. i think besafe.com is still about. sex does indeed alter brain chemistry, look up oxytocin/oxycontin, for instance. we "program" our brains all the time. repeat something 50x throughout the day and you'll remember it. fall into porn over and over again and you "program" your body and mind in a real pavolovian way to anticipate release. how to ge3t out? psychology is helpful in identifying problems,but only the Lord has the real power for delieverance via being born again, and we make choices to "be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds". find support groups, and yea, the book "every mans battle" is an excellent resource.
 
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I don't know if we ever totally put sin behind us I know we can but most of us don't want to, A man asked me just the other day, why he couldn't quit smoking , I said to be honest , it was because He didn't want to quit smoking. Believe me I stand right along with paul when he said that he was the chiefest sinner, and porno as any other bad habit is hard to give up. but what hepled me was my desire to quit serving satan and totally sell out to God and that I made myself look at women through different eyes yes I plucked out the eyes that saw them a sex objects, and God gave me eyes to see them as someone 's daughter, someone's mother and the best thing about woman, is that Jesus died for them just as He did for me. Heb 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,


Php 4:13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
 
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My question is for Christian men who have been addicted to pornography and have been successfully broken the addiction. I apologize that this is not an actual Bible question but I figure this is where the more serious and mature Christians are. I hope my question is not deleted because of this. I read an article that said men generally go through a state of depression when they stop viewing the stuff. He even said men may suffer permanent changes in the brain from prolonged use. I'm wondering, do you suffer any lingering effect? Can you enumerate the stages you went through and approximately how long they lasted. If you feel you got completely back to normal, how long did it take?
Peace be to you
If you dont stop watching porn this will happen;You will start lusting not just after women but also after men.You will question moral values.Give up on belief in God.Burn in a living hell for eternity.

How to stop

Leave all the curtains up and the doors open to your room.So everyone can always see what your doing.Then you will feel the shame of closing them.(if your past this point.See a psychiatrist)Angels are still watching you even after you close them.



Most likely there is Evil spirits involved,They want to have sex with you.eg
Gen 17,17 read from here on http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B01C018.htm

The satanic endtimes has to do with sexual debasing of all creatures.
jude 1 http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B65C001.htm
They want to bring you with them.

Try hard
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

If you really try you will beat it and God will reveal whats really happening with you.Pray,Pray hard.Everytime you wana watch pray,and pray more.




Love God with all your heart,Love your nieghber like yourself,Stay away from idols,Honor your mother and father.
 
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princessdeb4111962

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As a former alcoholic I agree with that 100%. Not to say that some people won't continue to struggle with addictions for a long time after being saved, because they will! But I just agree that the power of Christ can set you totally free and change you in such a way that you truly will not desire the things you were once addicted to anymore.
Amen Brother Shawn,
my 22 yo son was an alcoholic,Praise God,he is healed by the power of the Holy Spirit.He is in a christian rehab Teen Challenge,very blessed,caring,Godly rehab for lots of things.But b4 my son went to rehab,he was dealing in drugs n drinking himself to all most death.He was so far gone,I lifted my hands in the air n told God to take him ,he is all urs,I can't do this on my own,n within the week,he was signing up for Teen Challenge.He is a miracle to me.He is going to b my preacher,when he gets out.
but it is true they teach u in AA,that once ur an alcoholic ,ur always one,u can't have one or u will get hooked on it again.but i agree with God's help,u r set free of ur addictions,rather it b,drinking,drugs,porn,smoking,eating,sex camming etc.Amen,n Thank u Lord:)
 
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princessdeb4111962

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One thing I forgot! Please please please say a prayer for me if you wouldn't mind. Jesus knows I'm really battling with this. In fact, this is my most serious battle I've ever had with pornography. When people talk 'slave to sin', it is soooo true. I want to beat it (no pun intended)! So please say a prayer for me if you don't mind so that I can overcome this. I know what it means to overcome addictions. I was addicted to gambling...I overcame that years ago. I had the beginnings of OCD behaviour...I overcame that. I smoked cigarettes...I overcame that. These were all serious problems. But the worst one I've ever had and have not had victory...yet is porn. It's a drug. It is a full fledged addiction. I've been gaining some ground..but...thanks for your prayers in advance. God bless you!
Amen brother,
As u can tell I am a women,its not just for men.If u have to give ur computer away,or take ur tv out of ur house,do it,the temptation is there.if u eliminate how ur getting the addiction,then u can't do it brother.
but I no how ya'll is feeling,n i am married(separated now),so i think thats even worse,but thats all I thought of from the time i awoke up,to the time I went to bed,n it wasn't just watching,I was camming,It felt like a super high,but satan had a hold of me.he made it look delicious,i felt special.but I know it had to stop,when that was all I had on my mind,I can't focus on my husband or kids or work,But through the suffering,with porn n chatting n my marriage I have gotten so close to God,He has healed me,to even think about it makes me so sick,I can't believe my fresh was so weak n tempted,but God pulled me thru,Thank You, Lord.U really have to want to change ,I think,u do have to have ur mind right,n pray for deliverance,I did.another thing mite help anyone struggling,find something to take the place of porn,exercise,dancing classes(just kidding guys),read ur Bible when u feel the urge,do the laundry,(funny right)go out side n fix something,u guys always have something to fix right,if it not a car or motorcycle or lawn mower,or go for a walk.thank ya'll for being honest,thats the first step,God bless ya'll
 
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princessdeb4111962

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The word says, if your eyes cause you to sin, gouge them out, if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. Dont do that but if you have porn on tapes, throw them out. If you get it from your PC, get rid of that. Going without a computer is better than sinning and disobeying God.
My Words also Derek,Amen brother God bless
 
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Broern

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Porno addiction and even other vices must not be a problem that continue to annoy Christian men if they understand the creation. God commanded for man to multiply and fill-up the earth. From the beginning, the mind of men carry this non-eraseable program to fulfill the command of God. The sexual need of men are automatically turn on by the mind 24/7 upon a trigger. This is a never ending cycle regardless of man's age. Porno magazines and movies even requires money and effort to be in hand by the addict. But just a simple walk on the street accidentally glancing at ladies with sexy dress will already arouse the sexual desire of a man thereby seeking for an outlet. Man's build-up desire must be released then asap or else it will bring anxiety and stress to the man. If not properly handled, this leads to patronixing prostitutes, give way to other woman, or be drunk just to pass the time.

Masturbation is not the answer. Yes, it can help to release man's desire but it cover another matter that is sin in the Bible, such as imagining lustful things, etc. Married men also do not own their body but the wife and therefore have to ask permission prior to the act from his wife.

Men who are addict not only on porno must first stop it immediately in order not to build-up up the desire in their mind. Then, it is very critical to inform the wife on his predicament and discuss how the wife can help him. Or seek the help of sex counselor or therapist.
 
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aprodigal1

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#1 Us as well as our spouses or future spouses are definitely affected by the images we allow to come into our minds. Our wives can not compete with this Hollywood imagery that we bury ourselves in when get lost in the fantasy world of porn. What we watch enhances our expectations of what my wife should offer me in the bedroom. I would also like to mention that the actresses and models in the magazines are definitely affected by my choice to view the material they put out. The whole supply and demand thing.

#2 Gods intention for sex is not about me, it is about a selfless act of meeting my wife's needs 1 Cor 7:1-4. I admit that there are benefits of this ministry. When I masturbate and fall into this trap of just meeting my own needs, there is a good chance that the sex I am willing to have with my wife is still just ALL about me, the exact opposite of what God intended it for. Masturbation is a form of idolatry or self worship. It takes and promotes ME not anyone else. It also denies God the right and the authority to satisfy my needs the way He sees fit, which is by sex within a marriage.

For a married Christian as well as a single Christian person the goal is to first glorify God. Being able to submit myself to His authority by allowing Him to decide what is best for me and what satisfies me, is entirely up to Him.
If God believes I will do well with the responsibility of marriage and becoming the spiritual leader of my home then He will bring into my life a special person who will help me along in His sanctification process. If sex is something that my wife and I enjoy and we understand the true expectations of it, then praise God that much more.

I think John Piper say's it best "God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him"
 
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princessdeb4111962

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#1 Us as well as our spouses or future spouses are definitely affected by the images we allow to come into our minds. Our wives can not compete with this Hollywood imagery that we bury ourselves in when get lost in the fantasy world of porn. What we watch enhances our expectations of what my wife should offer me in the bedroom. I would also like to mention that the actresses and models in the magazines are definitely affected by my choice to view the material they put out. The whole supply and demand thing.

#2 Gods intention for sex is not about me, it is about a selfless act of meeting my wife's needs 1 Cor 7:1-4. I admit that there are benefits of this ministry. When I masturbate and fall into this trap of just meeting my own needs, there is a good chance that the sex I am willing to have with my wife is still just ALL about me, the exact opposite of what God intended it for. Masturbation is a form of idolatry or self worship. It takes and promotes ME not anyone else. It also denies God the right and the authority to satisfy my needs the way He sees fit, which is by sex within a marriage.

For a married Christian as well as a single Christian person the goal is to first glorify God. Being able to submit myself to His authority by allowing Him to decide what is best for me and what satisfies me, is entirely up to Him.
If God believes I will do well with the responsibility of marriage and becoming the spiritual leader of my home then He will bring into my life a special person who will help me along in His sanctification process. If sex is something that my wife and I enjoy and we understand the true expectations of it, then praise God that much more.

I think John Piper say's it best "God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him"
Well said brother God Bless
 
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princessdeb4111962

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Yeah, I didn't figure for that. I guessed that if a man had a beautiful wife who He enjoyed sex with, He would not be looking other places for it. I figured wrong.
That's what I was thinking also lovespeace,Y would u.Not to judge,because I have been called a bad word n called me stupid from 22 yo guy on here,for my opinons,he said i was spamming,whatever.but real good christian,right,he wants me banned.But for me if i was recieving it from home,I wouldn't have looking elsewhere,I believe.
 
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motojojo

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Bounce your eyes are good also take every thought captive onto the obedience of Christ. Ok, I'm going to get deep here so don't attack if you don't understand this is for people that need help here. The mind or ego of man thinks it is in control of you, its not. It goes around like a monkey looking for shiny things, to separate yourself from your mind gives you control of where your mind goes. You don't have to go with it, you don't have to be a prisoner of your mind, you control it with prayer and Gods Grace. As stated on here you have to replace this addiction with something else. When the mind learns that Gods Spirit in you all the time is better than lust it will gladly go for God. Another issue is a weak or small relationship with God, I'm talking a big relationship with the Creator. Wake up in the morning and pray and ask Him to show Himself in a Big way and I bet He will.I ask that God bless all of you and shut the mouth of the lying spirits that tell you that your weak and can't beat this, you can with God's help. Look for his exits He always makes us an escape!
 

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As one of the millions to billions of men to have had to struggle with this issue I can say to all of you. God can deliver you and some times it takes time. I had many relapses and struggled from childhood with porn. The best advise I can give is to keep trying and denying. Some time I could go days, weeks and even months. But a time of weakness would come and it wasw an everyday thing again. Don't allow the enemy to beat you over the head because believe it or not I will say everyone has or had some kind of strong hold on them. So the problem we had, have and struggled or struggling with is no worse. I want to encourage all you brothers and sister who read this because women have that issue as well. To not give up and not to allow satan to torment you in your mind. Some things are instant deliverence like this can be and some take time lie this can be. But I am a witness that if you just hold on your deliverence will come.
 
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