homosexuals, did God make them that way from birth?

[know1]

I have a question for some of you. This was presented to me by someone who did not want a reply, as he walked out of the room after he made this statement.
That God made some people some homosexuals at birth. And this is the scripture he used.

Mat_19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

eunuch.
G2135
εὐνοῦχος
eunouchos
yoo-noo'-khos
From εὐνή eunē (a bed) and G2192; a castrated person (such being employed in Oriental bed chambers); by extension an impotent or unmarried man; by implication a chamberlain (state officer):

He went into the Greek meaning and said that it was gay men that were used as eunuchs chamberlains in certain cultures. But where Jesus said that some are born eunuchs or made that way from their mother's womb, he said that these are homosexuals and that God made them that way before they were born.
This is something I've never heard before and was wondering if any one else has.

 

[SarahM777]

That is being used a lot within the LBGT now but it leaves out certain things that are unique to the Jews.
This is what I wrote to someone else who asked that.

"Please be careful as Matthew 19 1-12 is within the context of marriage and divorce. The Pharisees first question was if it was OK to divorce for any reason. Jesus reminds them that God made them male and female,the two would be united in one flesh,and what God has joined together let no man put asunder. The Pharisees then asks Jesus why did Moses give the condition that a man could write a certificate of divorce and send her away. Jesus tells them it was permitted for their hard hearts. Jesus then goes on to tell them that except for sexual immorality that if one remarries they committed adultery and they cause the other to commit adultery also.

Why didn't Jesus tell them what sexual immorality is? The Pharisees already knew what it was within the context of the Mosaic law. There was no need to repeat that which they already knew. They knew what the law said and the consequences that were to be meted out under the Mosaic law.

Next the disciples then comment on that exchange

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

So why did they say that? Because in one fell swoop Jesus removes any and all other "causes" that could be made for divorce but one. It is after this that Jesus talks about eunuchs.

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Within the context,Jesus is speaking to Jews living under the Mosaic law,it can only mean one thing and that's celibacy. One should remember that Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees and the disciples and not gentiles.

It is far to easy to forget that Jesus was not speaking to gentiles,but often to Jews about the law.

 

[MaggieMye]

Eunuchs were born that way for the PURPOSE of God; to be celibate in order to focus on the Lord and His will. Just what purpose does a homosexual have?? None. They do not OBEY His word; they do not 'go forth and multiply; their seed is not fruitful;

They can SAY whatever they want. But if what they say, on ANY LEVEL, defies God's word, then what THEY say is W R O N G.

Maggie

 

[SarahM777]

So if one even comes to the point that homosexuals are born that way,then the only option is celibacy. There is no other option.

 

[resurrection33]

People are not homosexual at birth. We are commanded (Mark 7:20-23 and Matt 5:28) not to have sex until we marry, and to then only have sex with the person we are married to. Because lust is very addictive, a number of things can happen if a person has sex with someone he isn’t married to, and one of those things is that he can turn to homosexuality. Others things people turn to when they have a lust addiction are sleeping around, pedophilia, and even rape.

 

[Enow]

I have a question for some of you. This was presented to me by someone who did not want a reply, as he walked out of the room after he made this statement.

That God made some people some homosexuals at birth. And this is the scripture he used.

Mat_19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

eunuch.
G2135
εὐνοῦχος
eunouchos
yoo-noo'-khos
From εὐνή eunē (a bed) and G2192; a castrated person (such being employed in Oriental bed chambers); by extension an impotent or unmarried man; by implication a chamberlain (state officer):

He went into the Greek meaning and said that it was gay men that were used as eunuchs chamberlains in certain cultures.

No. Gay men were not used in bed chambers. Celebate men were used. How can any ruler entrusts the care of their "virgin" daughters if the men guarding her were not celebate while as a eunuch?

That guy was reaching, and just didn't want to stick around for any reproof.

But where Jesus said that some are born eunuchs or made that way from their mother's womb, he said that these are homosexuals and that God made them that way before they were born.

This is something I've never heard before and was wondering if any one else has.

No. God made some as celebate in respect to eunuchs. I believe SarahM777 explained this better in what Jesus was talking about.

God does sort of make "gays", but they are not born that way. God gave them up to a reprobate mind only because the sinners were loving the creature more than the Creator.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

In today's society, we can see how a generation is developing a reprobate mind when the media is feeding that worship of the creature more than the Creator.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

But I believe that all those that seek Him will find Him and that by continuing in His words as His disciples, the Son will set them free.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free....36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus does and have delivered sinners from the bondage of homosexuality.

There was a site on the internet that had various testimonies of believers delivered from homosexuality, but I suspect the world has hidden it or removed it perhaps by legalism or by harrassment from being found on the internet.

 

[know1]

That is being used a lot within the LBGT now but it leaves out certain things that are unique to the Jews.

Thank you for your post, but what is LBGT?

 

[SarahM777]

It's an acronym. It stands for Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual,and Transgender.

 

[know1]

Just what purpose does a homosexual have?? None. They do not OBEY His word; they do not 'go forth and multiply; their seed is not fruitful;

They can SAY whatever they want. But if what they say, on ANY LEVEL, defies God's word, then what THEY say is W R O N G.

Maggie

Exactly! But don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers, they are gaining momentum in the US and elsewhere around the world. This guy was mad because I disagreed with him after his initial statement.
My wife and daughter are very outgoing people and have many friends at the stores and some are gay. And they are always nice to my family, but they don't like talking about God.

 

[know1]

It's an acronym. It stands for Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual,and Transgender.

Sorry, I'm not on top of the latest acronyms. Thanks.

 

[know1]

No. Gay men were not used in bed chambers. Celebate men were used. How can any ruler entrusts the care of their "virgin" daughters if the men guarding her were not celebate while as a eunuch?

That guy was reaching, and just didn't want to stick around for any reproof.

I'm not up on history either, so I would have avoided that one. But as to how someone becomes a homosexual, that is what I know and understand, and that was what I was going to center on before he walked out.
Thanks for your post.

 

[know1]

People are not homosexual at birth. We are commanded (Mark 7:20-23 and Matt 5:28) not to have sex until we marry, and to then only have sex with the person we are married to. Because lust is very addictive, a number of things can happen if a person has sex with someone he isn’t married to, and one of those things is that he can turn to homosexuality. Others things people turn to when they have a lust addiction are sleeping around, pedophilia, and even rape.

I have heard of people becoming a homosexual after they were violated by another homosexual. Some call this, transference of Spirits. That is what I see it as, a spirit that is not from or of God. The bible shows that some types of spirits can multiply themselves or have offspring like God does. But I understand that this is controversial. Thanks.

 

[BarlyGurl]

No. Gay men were not used in bed chambers. Celebate men were used. How can any ruler entrusts the care of their "virgin" daughters if the men guarding her were not celebate while as eunuchs


Little adjustment here....

Some were eunuchs from birth... hermaphrodites or related birth defects, also unborn infants who were committed or promised to service from the womb.

Some are made by man.... surgically altered, as in for service... like Daniel was, or the palace guards and chaperones.

Eunuch is NOT the same as celibate.... celibate is a CHOICE be chaste... eunuch is a defect or intentional alteration making the procreative act IMPOSSIBLE.

Palace guards were literally NEUTERED... not given vasectomy...NEUTERED

 

[BarlyGurl]

So while we are being controversial...

I am all for resurrecting the practice of making eunuchs in America as part of the penal code for sex offenders... excellent deterrent factor IMO.

 

[resurrection33]

I have heard of people becoming a homosexual after they were violated by another homosexual. Some call this, transference of Spirits. That is what I see it as, a spirit that is not from or of God. The bible shows that some types of spirits can multiply themselves or have offspring like God does. But I understand that this is controversial. Thanks.

I think a person can resist temptation, with the Lord's help, if he so chooses.

 

[BarlyGurl]

I also just realized something else to clarify.... NO GAY MEN WERE NOT USED FOR SERVICE IN PALACES... they were stoned to death, God smote two entire cities for practicing homosexuality. Homosexuality is not accepted by God... the homosexual practitioner who "believes" they have are going to heaven... is deluded and wrong... they are absolutely hellbound. THis is not hate speech... this is what the bible says and true believers better learn how to get comfortable in "defending" the truth because the socio-political climate is not likely to improve until Jesus returns.

 

[know1]

So while we are being controversial...

I am all for resurrecting the practice of making eunuchs in America as part of the penal code for sex offenders... excellent deterrent factor IMO.

Amen!!! Chop 'em off!!! That would be one less peter in the world that won't go where it was not wanted to go.
By the way, I think the same should apply to gay men that violate other males as well.

 

[BarlyGurl]

By the way, I think the same should apply to gay men that violate other males as well.

Know1... That WOULD classify them as a sexual offender... silly

 

[know1]

I think a person can resist temptation, with the Lord's help, if he so chooses.

I agree. But many don't know how to get the Lord to do this. I was one of them. There was a time in my life when I was unable to resist certain temptations. It was when I was trying to do it, and it wasn't working.

 

[Grace52]

babygurl i understand you wanting to make men unichs for various violations however most men who sodomise dont use thier own body they use objects to terrorise and abuse kids. andor women.( i worked with mentally disturbed sex offenders for 7 years)

the only way to "cure" someone who has habitually violated other peoples bodies is by death.