homosexuals, did God make them that way from birth?

[BarlyGurl]

babygurl i understand you wanting to make men unichs for various violations however most men who sodomise dont use thier own body they use objects to terrorise and abuse kids. andor women.( i worked with mentally disturbed sex offenders for 7 years)

the only way to "cure" someone who has habitually violated other peoples bodies is by death.

thanks Grace... but I did specify "sex offenders" which includes a range of sexual related offenses...like rape... I did not mean strictly men who sodomize... and I also understand that any person who violates another persons body with a foreign object... especially a disproportional object has much more serious disorder... and capital punishment sounds like an appropriate cure to me.

 

[know1]

babygurl i understand you wanting to make men unichs for various violations however most men who sodomise dont use thier own body they use objects to terrorise and abuse kids. andor women.( i worked with mentally disturbed sex offenders for 7 years)

the only way to "cure" someone who has habitually violated other peoples bodies is by death.

Off with their hands then... Then their peter!
If you can't get the person delivered, then I think the offending appendage should be removed.

 

[DenR]

Ah yes, this is what I believe.
All of us inherit from our ADAMIC forefathers. Through our natural parents we inherit good and bad traits..not just physical body shape and size and skin color..but also we inherit personality traits and "bents" or tendencies toward certain things.
If sexual lust is a trait in the family tree, it is passed on to the succeeding generations naturally. For instance if a grandfather had the lustful trait and was an adulterer or a serial fornicator or a sodomite...it may not be a dominant trait in his sons life, but may skip him and be dominant in the grandchildren/child.
Studies were done on the children of the revival preacher Jonathan Edwards compared to some wicked sinner of his time.
Amazing to see how in Edwards line almost every person rose in society to be someone noble and giving, teachers , doctors, even vice presidents. While all of the descendants of the wicked man stayed like their father.
So what I am saying is, homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life..born with the tendency toward it. God says that the iniquities of the fathers I will visit upon the children to the third and fourth generation.
This "visit" of iniquity to the children happens in our natural life - ie Adam
But God never made anyone's spirit homosexual..and all people, whatever their genealogical traits are, can and will be saved.
The human spirit was created by God and came forth from God, and one day shall return to God who gave it. Ecc 12:7. Whatever a person is trapped in and has made their identity, God shall burn it away so that they can be free in Christ.
For some this happens in this age...for others ot shall happen in the age to come, when all the workings of the carnal mind shall be burned up in the lake of fire, which is the second death.
After that experience, all will be purged and cleansed by fire to serve God in purity.
Always remember that Paul lists homosexuality alongside drunkeness,covetousness,idolatry,fornication, adultery, reviling, etc..
Paul himself was shown by God just how covetous he himself was. That was his whole battle in Romans 7. He wanted to live free of covetousness but he found he could not.No different than many men who are believers in Jesus, they want to live free of what they know to be a sin-homosexuality...but they find that they cannot.
Then as you see the progression in Romans 7..Paul comes to the place where he cries out who will deliver me from the body of this death..Rom 8-Christ will and does and has!!
Ok..so there are many homosexuals Christians who do not agree that it is sin.They resist every attempt to be convinced and twist the scriptures to their own destruction. What about them?
They are the ones Paul was saying not to have fellowship with.
But a brother who is trapped in any sin you who are spiritual restore such a one gently lest you also be tempted. Gal 6
If a brother has been struggling the Romans 7 way, wanting to do right, but cannot...he has a desire to be clean ..we should be welcoming him into an assembly so that he can be touched by God in the worship and receive grace that comes through many believers around him..Slowly God will transformn him and wash him and sanctify him...so that he can say I was a homosexual..but now I am justified and sanctified.
No wonder there are churches only populated by Homosexuals these days...BECAUSE the church will not accept them in. we are just like the Pharisees who always judged outwardly and never looked at our own cup.
How many covetous preachers inhabit pulpits across the church?!
How many adulterers, fornicators and even drunkards are also deacons, elders, bishops etc etc ?
Once the person is confronted by the Spirit of God through someone..they will either harden or soften in their sin. If they harden, then after the correct lovingh admonitions are applied like Jesus said in Matt 18..then they should be put out, as Paul also said.
SO THAT THEY come to a place of softening and sorrowing about their sin. Then they can be readmitted and loved on and taught their identity in Christ...for knowing their true identity will set them free from all that they inherited in ADAM.

 

[Love4Truth]

DenR,

Excellent explanation, one of the best that I have ever heard, Thank you for sharing your understanding on this.

Again Excellent!!

God Bless

 

[know1]

I agree with love4truth, and I commend you sir, very well said.

 

[Enow]

Little adjustment here....

Some were eunuchs from birth... hermaphrodites or related birth defects, also unborn infants who were committed or promised to service from the womb.

Some are made by man.... surgically altered, as in for service... like Daniel was, or the palace guards and chaperones.

Eunuch is NOT the same as celibate.... celibate is a CHOICE be chaste... eunuch is a defect or intentional alteration making the procreative act IMPOSSIBLE.

Palace guards were literally NEUTERED... not given vasectomy...NEUTERED

Since there is a way to test women for virginity, this is why I believe the eunuch have to be of the celebate mindset for the service in the bedchamber. They are to be guards against rape and seduction, are they not? Otherwise, pretty much letting the fox in the henhouse with that one.

As for other areas... I know not.

 

[Enow]

So while we are being controversial...

I am all for resurrecting the practice of making eunuchs in America as part of the penal code for sex offenders... excellent deterrent factor IMO.

Can't they still commit sex crimes even though they are neutered? I would think, but what do I know?

I would say.. if society would do anything to prevent future crimes from sex offenders AND give pause to anyone thinking about committing such crimes, removing their eyesight would do it before letting them out on parole.

One thing I can never understand with our society is letting child sex offenders out early on good behaviour.

There are no children in jail for them to misbehave towards!

Stupid excuse for letting them out early.

And we are seeing too many courting the edge of suspicious activities that I believe people would rest easier if they were just surgically blinded.

But that will never happen, I suppose.

They need Jesus Christ just as much as the "homosexuals" and any other sinner, but like any sinner, they should not be around scenarios that tempts them. May God help those He has delivered to keep them from falling and avoid temptations to follow Him.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Since there is a way to test women for virginity, this is why I believe the eunuch have to be of the celebate mindset for the service in the bedchamber. They are to be guards against rape and seduction, are they not? Otherwise, pretty much letting the fox in the henhouse with that one.

As for other areas... I know not.

ENOW... Here...again please read carefully...
Eunuch is NOT the same as celibate.... celibate is a CHOICE be chaste... eunuch is a defect or intentional alteration making the procreative act IMPOSSIBLE.
Palace guards were literally NEUTERED... not given vasectomy...NEUTERED.

Putting a celibate to guard the bedchamber IS the same as letting the fox who declares "I don't eat chicken" to guard the hen house. Bedchamber guards were eunuchs...SURGICALLY ALTERED... they didn't have a celibate mindset they were unable to perform the procreative act...they were neutered.

 

[Eccl12and13]

So what I am saying is, homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life..born with the tendency toward it.

Ok...let's STOP and use just a little common sense for one moment.

A child born with a drug dependency.....of course!

A child born with a family disease.....I can see that!


But the post above states that they believe, "....homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life..."!!


And SOME of you agree with that?


So I must ask the forum, Did God instill in mankind a natural homosexual inherited trait?

Although we ALL are born of a sin nature we STILL have a choice on whether we commit sin or not. If, as the poster claims, "...homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life...", then the choice to make a decision is removed!

Let's read what IS natural according to the scriptures;

Rom.1
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Now of course....the explanation sounds great.....but does it line up with what God's word tells us in the above scriptures?

Why didn't the poster present this very clear description of what God considers to be a, 'inherited natural trait in a life'?

God's words tell us that a man 'naturally' wants to be with a woman, and that a woman 'naturally' wants to be with a man. Anything else is NOT what God intended for humans!



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[DenR]

"Ok...let's STOP and use just a little common sense for one moment.

A child born with a drug dependency.....of course!

A child born with a family disease.....I can see that!


But the post above states that they believe, "....homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life..."!!


And SOME of you agree with that?


So I must ask the forum, Did God instill in mankind a natural homosexual inherited trait?

Although we ALL are born of a sin nature we STILL have a choice on whether we commit sin or not. If, as the poster claims, "...homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life...", then the choice to make a decision is removed!

Let's read what IS natural according to the scriptures;

Rom.1
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Now of course....the explanation sounds great.....but does it line up with what God's word tells us in the above scriptures?

Why didn't the poster present this very clear description of what God considers to be a, 'inherited natural trait in a life'?

God's words tell us that a man 'naturally' wants to be with a woman, and that a woman 'naturally' wants to be with a man. Anything else is NOT what God intended for humans!"

Did I ever say it is what God intends for humans? Forgive me if I did! God forbid. But in all this God was the one who subjected all creation - humans included- to vanity. It was God who put man in the garden with the serpent and the choice- KNOWING full well ahead of time, that man would choose sin(lawlessness). He did this in the hope (a sure hope) that all creation will be restored someday in his time.
See Romans 8:20-21
God actually made Himself liable for our choosing sin because he knowingly put Adam in the ring with the tempter knowing Adam would fail. According to God's own law, which he is bound by, he is to "make good" what he caused to happen.
Exo 21:33 "And if a man opens a pit, or if a man digs a pit and does not cover it, and an ox or a donkey falls in it,
Exo 21:34 the owner of the pit shall make it good; he shall give money to their owner, but the dead animal shall be his.
God opened a pit - a place where one can fall
- He did not cover it so Adam would not fall in
We are the ox or donkey and we fell into the pit God dug.
The owner of the pit shall make it good. A ransom was paid. Now we belong to God. Restored.

So we need to get that straight from the start..Man was sold into sin by Adam but it was God who set it all up- on purpose!!
Sure, Adam chose to sin...but God could have prevented the whole thing..but He did not. He willed it to happen. It is not God's will that anyone live outside in sins. But in the plan of God we all do, or did.
Those of us who are enlightened by the Spirit and believe in Christ did so by His grace , not by our will or our choice alone. A

The Question:" Homosexuals,did God make them that way from birth?"

Obviously no one is born a homosexual. Sure, they choose at some point to swallow the thoughts as their own, and to go with the feelings, also accepting them as proof that this is how I am. That could have happened through many ways.
Many girls become lesbians because of the abuse received as children by men in their families.Many men were molested and defiled as boys.This defilement can also be through exposure to porn at a young age.
Along with the defilement come the flies(demon spirits), which begin buzzing around the mind of the defiled, hurting, confused one. They bully and cajole and convince, always speaking thoughts in the first person.."I must be gay, I am not like others, I am gay."

The natural use of the woman and the man is clearly heterosexual and to do otherwise is sin and against nature and against God's intention for male and female.

Yet the sins of the fathers shall be visited upon the children and the childrens children to the 3rd and 4th generation of those who hate Me.
So I still say that all of us have inherited a bent towards particular sins in our natural life.
Do we choose to sin..absolutely. Can we stop doing it. Not in our own strength. No way. Not by choosing or setting the will against it. Just try.
BUT the whole point of Christ coming was to take sin and death to death so that anyone, whether homosexual or perverted persons, can receive Life and begin to be transformed in their behaviour through the love and grace of God.
No one is lost because they were a homosexual, but because they did not believe in Jesus Christ who took away their sin on the cross.
Once a person comes to God thru Christ they have received a new life, become a new creation in their spirit center. ,Now they learn to walk in the spirit, looking at Christ as their new life, reckoning themselves dead to sin and alive to God.
At some point they call themslves by a new name..no longer homosexual, but a child of God.
It takes time to lose that old identity in our experience. And realise by faith that we are cleansed and made totally new, that we died with Christ and now live with Him - in union in our spirit. 1 Cor 6:17

The old pull towards our particular bent, will always be there until we walk in the glory He walked in. That bent came through our family tree.
But that is not who we are.
A person not even born again , does not know who they are, so they will find it hard to resist the suggestions and the feelings that are telling them that they are gay.
But when we begin to really hear about the new creation that we ARE through Christ's work on the cross, then we are transformed.
Everything may be telling us we are a certain way...but Paul said we look not at the visible things but the invisible. By faith!
Weare then changed from glory to glory into the same image as the thing we are beholding -Christ in you!!In all his beauty- in you! And you and He are ONE.

However...maybe we are missing the point..

Joh 9:1 As he was walking along, he observed a man who had been blind from birth.
Joh 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that caused him to be born blind?"
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned. This happened so that God's work might be revealed in him.

How does anyone but Christ Himself know why a person is the way they are?! Ultimately everyone of us is an opportunity for God to Glorify Himself in and through us.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Ok...let's STOP and use just a little common sense for one moment.

A child born with a drug dependency.....of course!

A child born with a family disease.....I can see that!


But the post above states that they believe, "....homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life..."!!


And SOME of you agree with that?


So I must ask the forum, Did God instill in mankind a natural homosexual inherited trait?

Although we ALL are born of a sin nature we STILL have a choice on whether we commit sin or not. If, as the poster claims, "...homosexuality can be an inherited natural trait in a life...", then the choice to make a decision is removed!

Let's read what IS natural according to the scriptures;

Rom.1
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Now of course....the explanation sounds great.....but does it line up with what God's word tells us in the above scriptures?

Why didn't the poster present this very clear description of what God considers to be a, 'inherited natural trait in a life'?

God's words tell us that a man 'naturally' wants to be with a woman, and that a woman 'naturally' wants to be with a man. Anything else is NOT what God intended for humans!



.

We are to be naturally born with two arms and legs, five fingers and toes as well. But the truth is that some are born with physical deficiencies.

And men ARE naturally attracted to women. What this means is that no one taught us this. It was already there. It's the same with a homosexual.

 

[SarahM777]

We are to be naturally born with two arms and legs, five fingers and toes as well. But the truth is that some are born with physical deficiencies.

And men ARE naturally attracted to women. What this means is that no one taught us this. It was already there. It's the same with a homosexual.

The problem comes when they are taking a verse and using it for justification,within that passage you have two groups that do not fit within the norm. They can not have normal physical relationships that way. That is not the case with homosexuals they can (It is not the in proper way that God designed us) The way they want to use is this "We do not fit within the norm,therefore because we are not within the norms we must be eunuchs"

God in His wisdom when He spelled out the Mosaic law understands something about mankind,mankind has a habit of looking at the Ten commandments and looking at the letter of the commandments not the the spirit of the ten commandments. When God gave the Mosaic law He was defining what He means by adultery. All of the sexual sins that are listed there are in God's eyes a form of adultery. Jesus even takes a step farther and says if you even look at a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery in your heart. Mankind wants to look at it in the narrowest possible way. The root of the sexual sins is lust. (How it comes out may be different but the root of it is the same) It is being used for justification of the lust that is in the heart.

 

[Brother_Don]

God doesn't make mistakes, people make wrong choices. the Word says what it says, thats all that needs to be said.

 

[Enow]

ENOW... Here...again please read carefully...
Eunuch is NOT the same as celibate.... celibate is a CHOICE be chaste... eunuch is a defect or intentional alteration making the procreative act IMPOSSIBLE.
Palace guards were literally NEUTERED... not given vasectomy...NEUTERED.

Putting a celibate to guard the bedchamber IS the same as letting the fox who declares "I don't eat chicken" to guard the hen house. Bedchamber guards were eunuchs...SURGICALLY ALTERED... they didn't have a celibate mindset they were unable to perform the procreative act...they were neutered.

I reckon that the type of neutering back in those days was entirely different from how we use the term today for pets? Did they remove the sexual organs from the eunuch? I had always thought that pets had their sexual organs but were "snipped" inside to prevent pregnancy.

I'll admit I am lacking exact knowledge in this area.

 

[Crossfire]

The Bible equates all sexual sin as the same. In other words, according to scripture, there is no difference between a homosexual and a person who commits adultery, a pedophile or a porn addict. So keeping this in mind, the question that must be asked is this:

If it is possdible for a person to be born a homosexual then is person who cheats on their spouse born an adulterer, a pedophile born a child molester or a porn addict born addicted to porn?

The answer is an obvious NO.

 

[Enow]

All of us inherit from our ADAMIC forefathers. Through our natural parents we inherit good and bad traits..not just physical body shape and size and skin color..but also we inherit personality traits and "bents" or tendencies toward certain things. If sexual lust is a trait in the family tree, it is passed on to the succeeding generations naturally. .

Then linking homosexuality to lust and covetousness would lead everyone to inherit that sin and everything else down the line would become "gay", would it not?

I tend to think that what was written in Romans 1st chapter is the real cause when God gave them up to a reprobate mind when they worshipped the creature more than the Creator.

In one sense, what you say is true, but in another sense, God's restraining power over sin keeps death at the door. Indeed, God shortened man's lifespan to a 120 years before the flood because every thought of man was wickedness, and yet one can see the fruitation of being a follower of God, long life, although we do not see that in anyone after the flood as in this present day.

So we may see how inheritted sin can be the loaded bullet to be fired whereas the necessary temptations triggers that sin into fruitation which would be loving the creature more than the Creator.

Seeing how the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, & the pride of life are displayed and hyped in the media, we think little of it when the children are exposed to it even in their Saturday morning cartoons and their anatomically & politically corrected toys.

What's to keep a child, let alone an adult, from playing the game of being sexually appealing even as towards the pride of life to be more socially acceptable?

Could be we as believers are ignoring this instructions of shamefacedness in modesty.

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

If that is how the women were supposed to appear, what of the men? When we look at believers today in church, they are wearing their Sundays best & in their best appearances. How can children not be affected by society's influence when the church is also? How does that lead believers to judge others by outward appearances?

James 2:1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Perhaps believers are setting themselves up for problems developing in their families for a child to announce that he or she is gay?

James 1: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Did I ever say it is what God intends for humans? Forgive me if I did! God forbid. But in all this God was the one who subjected all creation - humans included- to vanity. It was God who put man in the garden with the serpent and the choice- KNOWING full well ahead of time, that man would choose sin(lawlessness). He did this in the hope (a sure hope) that all creation will be restored someday in his time.
See Romans 8:20-21
God actually made Himself liable for our choosing sin because he knowingly put Adam in the ring with the tempter knowing Adam would fail. According to God's own law, which he is bound by, he is to "make good" what he caused to happen.
Exo 21:33 "And if a man opens a pit, or if a man digs a pit and does not cover it, and an ox or a donkey falls in it,
Exo 21:34 the owner of the pit shall make it good; he shall give money to their owner, but the dead animal shall be his.
God opened a pit - a place where one can fall
- He did not cover it so Adam would not fall in
We are the ox or donkey and we fell into the pit God dug.
However...maybe we are missing the point..

Joh 9:1 As he was walking along, he observed a man who had been blind from birth.
Joh 9:2 His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that caused him to be born blind?"
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned. This happened so that God's work might be revealed in him.

How does anyone but Christ Himself know why a person is the way they are?! Ultimately everyone of us is an opportunity for God to Glorify Himself in and through us.

Jeeeesh!! I see someone has some serious "It's God's fault!" issues! God made laws for MAN to live by, not the other way around. That's some doctrine you've contrived for yourself; subjecting God to laws He made for man ("And if a man opens a pit..."), ("God opened a pit - a place where one can fall")

Job 40
[8] Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

Rom.11
[33] O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
[34] For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller?


But moving on, question asked; " Homosexuals,did God make them that way from birth?"

And your reply; "Obviously no one is born a homosexual"

I totally agree. I also agree with your explanation of how one becomes a homosexual.

I truly believe, make that, know for a fact as you put it, "...that they choose at some point to swallow the thoughts as their own, and to go with the feelings, also accepting them as proof that this is how I am. The flies (demon spirits), which begin buzzing around the mind of the defiled, hurting, confused one. They bully and cajole and convince, always speaking thoughts in the first person.."I must be gay, I am not like others, I am gay."

These same evil spirit try each and every human every day of their lives. Some of us are lead by these evil spirits, while others are lead by holy spirits. And the struggle does not stop until our dying day.

And Yes! We may very well be missing the point. As you said;

"How does anyone but Christ Himself know why a person is the way they are?! Ultimately everyone of us is an opportunity for God to Glorify Himself in and through us."



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[Colours]

I have a question for some of you. This was presented to me by someone who did not want a reply, as he walked out of the room after he made this statement.
That God made some people some homosexuals at birth. And this is the scripture he used.

Mat_19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

eunuch.
G2135
εὐνοῦχος
eunouchos
yoo-noo'-khos
From εὐνή eunē (a bed) and G2192; a castrated person (such being employed in Oriental bed chambers); by extension an impotent or unmarried man; by implication a chamberlain (state officer):

He went into the Greek meaning and said that it was gay men that were used as eunuchs chamberlains in certain cultures. But where Jesus said that some are born eunuchs or made that way from their mother's womb, he said that these are homosexuals and that God made them that way before they were born.
This is something I've never heard before and was wondering if any one else has.

Well if some men are born without the ability to procreate, and some people are born with some diseases, others blind, deaf, lame (in both literal and metahporical sense) then I see no reason why one can't be born prone to sin, or with the chemical make up which screws up the hormones enough for a man to find another man attractive and lust toward him.

A lot is down to how someone is brought up. A lot down to atmosphere. A lot down to experience. But I would never jump to the conclusion that it is impossible for someone to be born gay.

It's more important how you act towards a gay person, than whether THEY are gay or not. This whole book is about things I, personally, should adhere to. Nowhere do I find that my job, calling, purpose, or will should be to judge.

I sin. Bottom line.

 

[MaggieMye]

SarahM777:"So if one even comes to the point that homosexuals are born that way,then the only option is celibacy. There is no other option.

IF one does 'come to the point that homosexuals are born that way' or that God created them that way, they would be believing a lie. Why?? Because in His written word He calls such behavior an abomination? WHY would He purposely create an abomination?? He would not. BUT...He does allow the devil to have his way in people due to the iniquity that is in within them...and iniquity can be from birth or gained after. Read Anna Mendez Ferrell's book, "Iniquity" it will help you understand the concept much more clearly.
Maggie

 

[SarahM777]

SarahM777:"So if one even comes to the point that homosexuals are born that way,then the only option is celibacy. There is no other option.

IF one does 'come to the point that homosexuals are born that way' or that God created them that way, they would be believing a lie. Why?? Because in His written word He calls such behavior an abomination? WHY would He purposely create an abomination?? He would not. BUT...He does allow the devil to have his way in people due to the iniquity that is in within them...and iniquity can be from birth or gained after. Read Anna Mendez Ferrell's book, "Iniquity" it will help you understand the concept much more clearly.
Maggie

After dealing with many on this issue,a number of them "know" the Bible. Their next come back on the word abomination it is only used twice in the New Testament. Yet in the Old Testament it is used 65 times under the Mosaic Law. This is the argument they will use

Of the sixty-five occurrences of the word in the Old Testament, five refer to something as being an abomination to another people. Thirteen of the things labeled "abominations" are dietary restrictions, the observation of which would bar a person from consuming such things as clam chowder, shrimp and, one of my favorites, the non-existent four-legged insect, which certainly refers to something besides what we call "insects". Seventeen refer to improper sacrifice, although I am hard pressed to think of a single Christian (or Jewish, for that matter) congregation that slaughters animals on their altars these days. Outright adultery and adultery cause by divorce, which is prohibited by the Bible even though it is a widespread practice today, account for three of the verses. In addition to Jesus's comment in Luke, the love of money is decried as an abomination in two Old Testament passages. Four related verses cite dishonest trading practices as abominations. Twelve other verses list behaviors ranging from murder to women wearing "anything that pertains to a man" (for example, pants). Eight passages, including the one from Revelation, are not clear about what they mean by "abomination." Precisely two refer to homosexual behavior.

Never mind the dietary ones,their next thing to point out is about clothing made from diverse fibers,which under the mosaic law is an abomination also. If one can keep up with this then they will point out Paul was a Pharisee,Paul never uses the word abomination. Then the next question is why didn't he use it if it is still an abomination? (Remember the restrictions on the dietary laws were removed,so the thinking is if those were removed why not this also if the word abomination is no longer used in the New Testament) Jesus speaks of the abomination of desolation and John talks about Mystery Babylon.

Then to add to it many will use the stories of Ruth and Naomi,and David and Jonathan,as examples. (Which of course is not true) These things are coming from so called "Christian" pastors.

Please I am not saying you are wrong,I agree with you but I have heard the arguments from the other side a lot.