do we or dont we follow the sabbath?

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carey

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I have done some studying lately on this subject and have decided to follow the Sabbath. I find it funny that we follow all of the 10 commandments except for the 4th. Why is it the 4th commandment is such a source of contention for Christians? Could it be because that is the only commandment that something is asked of us? We don't make graven images, we don't commit adultery, we don't bear false witness, but yet we refuse to keep God's day holy. The Sabbath was never mentioned to become legalistic or a burden, but instead it's supposed to be a day that we delight in our Lord and saviour! Imagine if you will a day that you don't bother with the cares of this world but instead focus on the Creator, women, no shopping, laundry, dishes and such, just one day that you get into prayer, read your word, watch Christian movies, and don't think about your responsibilities, but instead think about your Lord, instead of thinking how to please your husband think instead of how to please your Lord. The more I think about it the more inclined I am to enjoy my first Sabbath, if praising and giving to God is legalistic or a burden, well I guess I'm legalistic then. I just can't see how giving one entire day to my God could possibly have any repurcursions!!
 
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MarkayMrk777

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This is awesome! Like it says in Jeremiah we should delight in spending a
day with God. What an awesome thing!!

"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honorable..."


Jeremiah 58:13
 

jb

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I don't keep the Sabbath (which is really a saturday anyway), to me every day is the same! Rom 14v5...

Yahweh Shalom
 

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the sabbath is a gift not a command/also i find my sabbath in CHRIST (Heb 3-4)who fulfilled the commands.
 
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2Co 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2Co 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 
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While there is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath day (in fact I can see it as a blessing) just don't burden people with it as it pertains to righteousness/justification.

We are justified by a faith that works by love apart from the deeds of the law.
 

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While there is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath day (in fact I can see it as a blessing) just don't burden people with it as it pertains to righteousness/justification.

We are justified by a faith that works by love apart from the deeds of the law.
Skinski is that you? "We are saved apart from the deeds of the law?" I thought you claimed otherwise, or maybe you said you can lose your salvation if you don't adhere to the law close enough. I forgot. Sorry.
 

JaumeJ

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A very odd fact about many who say we are not required to observe the Sabbath on the seventh day is that they observe the Sabbath. It really makes no sense at all to me that anyone reading the Word would say we are free from the commandment, yet observe a changed-by-man version of it.

I believe I am totally free of the curse of the law, that is the punishment which I deserve, but to observe the Sabbath on the seventh day with the One Who created all that is, is an honor, a privilege and a commandment.

You must also keep in mind, some of these same people include the great ten with the law, stating we are free of the law, not of the curse, yet they purport new laws, regulations and rules from the letters of Paul.

It is all a little topsy-turvy if you ask me. Of course those who do not agree are not asking.[
QUOTE=carey;944469]I have done some studying lately on this subject and have decided to follow the Sabbath. I find it funny that we follow all of the 10 commandments except for the 4th. Why is it the 4th commandment is such a source of contention for Christians? Could it be because that is the only commandment that something is asked of us? We don't make graven images, we don't commit adultery, we don't bear false witness, but yet we refuse to keep God's day holy. The Sabbath was never mentioned to become legalistic or a burden, but instead it's supposed to be a day that we delight in our Lord and saviour! Imagine if you will a day that you don't bother with the cares of this world but instead focus on the Creator, women, no shopping, laundry, dishes and such, just one day that you get into prayer, read your word, watch Christian movies, and don't think about your responsibilities, but instead think about your Lord, instead of thinking how to please your husband think instead of how to please your Lord. The more I think about it the more inclined I am to enjoy my first Sabbath, if praising and giving to God is legalistic or a burden, well I guess I'm legalistic then. I just can't see how giving one entire day to my God could possibly have any repurcursions!![/QUOTE]
 
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JaumeJ

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I should add, keeping the Sabbath for me is guided by the teaching of Yeshua, Jesus on the subject. It is perfectly alright to do good on the Sabbath, and I am not even approaching saying some self gratifying endeavor, I mean good. Jesus said His Father was working and so must He.........so it is with His servants, or would you go so far as to say we cannot help the helpless on the Sabbath? I would not.
Also, for those who say they are with the Lord every day, this holds true with those observing a day to give reverence to our Maker also. It is a command for those under the law, and a great and fulfilling pleasure for those under grace. The Word should not be perverted simply to satisfy the traditions of man taught as commandment from Yahweh, God. Think! Believe! Love the family in Jesus Christ, amen.
 
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1still_waters

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I've heard every argument imaginable about keeping or not keeping the Sabbath (Saturday).

In my opinion, the stronger argument sides with observing a day of rest on Saturday, because it's God's gift to us as a day to relax, refresh, and focus on him.

Yes Jesus is our spiritual rest, but that doesn't take away from the fact our body gets tired. Our body still needs rest even though Jesus is our spiritual rest.

If you observe 1 day a week for a year, that's 52 days off total. That's almost two months a year of total vacation. That's enough rest to refresh you so you can work all those other days.

I think medical science backs up the need to rest.

Now if your ox or donkey, or Volvo goes in a ditch on a Sabbath, for goodness sake, pull it out! If you're a doctor or in law enforcement and your job saves lives, and you need to work on a Sabbath, by all means, put other's lives and safety first.

But also remember God gave the Sabbath not as a legalistic command, but because he loves us, and knows we need rest.

Like observing other things of God, observing it doesn't save you.
Obedience is a result of grace working through faith.

This shouldn't be observed legalistically
This shouldn't be observed thinking that you're somehow being saved by the law.
Jesus saves.
It's all by grace.
Not of ourselves.
Not of works
It's a work of God.

I don't get argumentative over this topic. But this is where I think the stronger argument exists. Try working endless days without rest, and your body may agree too.

In my humble opinion.
 
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One day with the Lord is as 1000 years correct?

If so 6 days (6000 years) man (mankind) are to work. Are we not approaching this according to scripture?
 

JaumeJ

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Thank you my brother for understanding the seventh day in this manner also. It is impossible for me to think of the 1,000 years without thinking of the rest Yahweh has given us weekly. The thought of a man imposed rule changing the order and times of the Sabbath is frightening in this regard. You must also be excited about the Hebrew calculation of the calendar and where we are on it.
One day with the Lord is as 1000 years correct?

If so 6 days (6000 years) man (mankind) are to work. Are we not approaching this according to scripture?
 
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1still_waters

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One day with the Lord is as 1000 years correct?

If so 6 days (6000 years) man (mankind) are to work. Are we not approaching this according to scripture?
I think that's what the historicists and Harold Camping were getting at. I may be wrong.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I think that's what the historicists and Harold Camping were getting at. I may be wrong.
actually in history this has more often than not been a futurist millennialist view...
 
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Thank you my brother for understanding the seventh day in this manner also. It is impossible for me to think of the 1,000 years without thinking of the rest Yahweh has given us weekly. The thought of a man imposed rule changing the order and times of the Sabbath is frightening in this regard. You must also be excited about the Hebrew calculation of the calendar and where we are on it.
I pity us my friend. For if you see what I see, we are truly a rebellious people. Saturday, sunday has nothing to do with the sabbath. Saturday was only an exercise so to speak for mankind not to forget it's great rest from our labors, which are upon us now.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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i think that it is ok to observe the sabbath if you like...as long as you are not doing it legalistically...

the reason sabbath keeping comes off as legalistic though is because so many sabbath keepers basically argue for sabbath keeping from the approach of 'i am obedient and you are not'...or more subtly...'why are you opposing me for being obedient'...thereby insinuating that non sabbath keepers are disobedient...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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look up justin martyr...the epistle of barnabas...irenaeus...hippolytus...victorinus of petau...methodius...and lactantius...all ancient premillennialists who held to the six day 6,000 year eschatological scheme...
 
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Skinski is that you? "We are saved apart from the deeds of the law?" I thought you claimed otherwise, or maybe you said you can lose your salvation if you don't adhere to the law close enough. I forgot. Sorry.
I have never claimed that we are saved by the deeds of the law. That is a false conclusion people draw by not reading what I write carefully.

What I do claim that there is a distinction between the "works of the law" and "works of faith."

Faith is a work (1Th 1:3) for faith is ACTIVE rather than passive. Faith is the active dynamic of conviction in the heart and mind by which we abide in Christ. In other words it is "by faith" that we are doers of the word. Hence it was "by faith" that Noah built the Ark.

Therefore we are saved by a "faith that works" as opposed to a "faith that does not work." If one is not a "doer of the word" then one does not have "saving faith." If Noah had of refused to build the ark then he would not have had "saving faith." Saving faith is the equivalent to obeying God from the heart.

When the Bible says we are "not saved by works" it is a reference to "outward works done apart from the grace of God." In other words "doing without faith." The Pharisees were "doers without faith" for they yielded to the law apart from having a faith which purifies the heart (Act 15:9). In other words they thought they could be right with God by the strict observance of rites and rituals APART a faith that works by love. They neglected the weightier matters of the law.

The law is but a shadow of love. If one loves they are not under the law.

Thou shalt not kill is a law made for someone who might kill if not told not to. Hence the law is for sinners.

If one loves their neighbour they do not need "thou shalt not kill" because such an act would be a violation of the love they have for their neighbour.

The free gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ. In other words we ABIDE IN CHRIST by which we manifest true righteousness by a faith that works by love. That is true salvation. Not of works lest any man should boast.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.