6 6 6 the mark of the beast

[iamsoandso]

in 1949-50,,,frank McNamara issued the first "diners club cards",,,,in n.y. ,,in 1958,,,,,,,American express bank ameracard later visa came out in n.y.see "john biggens" new york ,,,,,,,,,scares me to death to speak to the people in the u.s. about money,they all have a "pin number in their forehead',,,,it represents "their signature,their name",,,,,,,,,,,it gives them authority to buy sell and trade,,,,,now it began in new york in the 50's but even now it is spreading to the other parts of the world. if you research for instance going to Europe that is from the united states you will find this (do a search on it) in the dept stores in Europe you cannot use your debit or credit cards,,,that is the ones with the magnetic strip on the back. so if you decide to go to Europe your banks have provided card readers to the businesses which is called "chip and pin",,,,,,,,"chip and pin",,,,,now the common people of Europe don't use the chip and pin it is in the stores for the "united states people" to use(supplied by the u,s, banks,card co, ect,) now do a search on,"credit/origin",,,you will find that the first form of credit used in the world was an agreement between "Babylon,Egypt and Assyria",,,,,,,,,,,,,,i remember something i saw on the news at the beginning of the "war on terror",,,,,,,,you saw it too but saw no significance in it your government said,,,,,,,,,,,,, "they do not bank the same way we do",,,,,,,,,,now they were referring to the "afghans",,Iraq,Pakistan ect. that is they found it difficult to track their financial trail they seized some "accounts" that were being transferred but only a small portion of their finances and it must have been large that is the war in the Persian gulf began in 1991 when bush sr. was in office and continued through the Clinton administration(no fly zones)and then through the bush jr. terms in office and now into Obama term so from 1991 to 2012 and still going 21 years later.,but back to what i was meaning,,,,,,,,,look at the key phrase your kingdom used ,,,,,,,,"they do not bank the same way we do",,you see fact is most of the world does not "bank the way you do",,,,,,,,we do not have social security cards ,food stamp cards,,,debit cards,,,credit cards,,pay cards, that is the common people but now the big rich men,,,the business men here do and do have their forms of debit credit money. i suppose its about 20 years behind in the other countries,,,that is in the 1970's only the wealthy men in the united states had all these "cards",,but now even the poor people do in the u.s. but they went to a new system ,,,,,,,,,"what's your credit score?",,,,,look what they are asking you,,,,,,,"score",,,that is the number you have memorized in your forehead "your name",,,"your signature" ,,,if you notice also has the "score" or the permission of approval or endorsement of your "kingdoms name",well sorry if it didn't work out like the movies or the good fiction books about the mark of the beast ,,,,,,,but in the meantime if you live in the united states "you already have a pin number in your forehead" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,try to get rid of it and you will see it clear,,,that is if you get paid on a pay card,,,tell your boss "id rather just get paid in money",,,,,,but they'll tell you find another job.ask the food stamp office if they will send you the old food stamps or if you can find one from the old days take it to wall mart and see if they will take it.,,most businesses are quickly going to debit credit only,,,no checks or cash.now if you loose your job then you cant give the light company the pin number in your forehead so they will turn your lights off.. and you cant give your number to the land lord,or to the water company,,,, the grocery store will not let you take the food home unless you enter the number in your forehead. now when you do not have the number in forehead any more and you and your children are under a bridge and live in a house you made from cardboard,,,,,then cps will come and say to you well we better take your kids and give them a good home with parents that have a "pin number in their foreheads",,,,,,,,,,,,so they can enter their number and buy sell and trade,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"you see the trap your in????",,,,,,,,,

 

[Crimeny]

what is the seal of God? I read somewhere that it was related to the fourth commandment..

 

[iamsoandso]

you see in the united states "once upon a time" people owned farms and grew their own food,, they dug their own water wells,,,,,,,now picture it,,,,if the economy went south,,,"who went broke???",just the rich man,,,,you see in the old days if the stock market crashed it did not effect the farmers,,,,,,,the tomatoes were still there and the cows and the corn,,,,,,,,,,they still ate fish,,,they still hunted deer,,,they went to the woods and got fire wood and they had heat in the cold,,,,,,,,,if a dollar was worth 100 pennies or if it was worth only 3 cents "it only meant something to the rich bankers",but to the farmers it meant nothing,,,if the beast said i want you to get a number in your forehead they had the power to say "go fly a kite",,and then they could go sit at the creek and fish and eat,,,,they could grow a garden..,,,,,,,,,,but you in the modern us,,,well your waters are polluted,,,,,,,,and you cannot drink it and none of you can get a farm and grow enough food to feed your family,,,,,,,even if you did the way the modern laws are you will have to set up a bank account and sell something you grow to pay your property taxes or loose your farm ,,,,,,,you see the part of the plan in the 70's where the government and Monsanto went to the farmers with "a deal"???????????????,they said ,,,"mortgage your farm,,,buy a new tractor,,,plant our seed's" and then they ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"all lost their farms",,,,,,,,,,,,you know,,,,,,,,pull the rug out from under the ones who could tell us "go fly a kite",,,and then still eat and live..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but now we all live in apartments,,,,,,,,,,"throw a hook off the balcony,,into the swimming pool,,wait till you get a bite",,,, while your sitting there try to figure out how many potted plants you can grow on the patio,,,,,,,you cant really tell them to go fly a kite can you????? you cant cut up your debit card and get rid of the,,, "pin number in your head",,,,,,,,, can you ?,,,,so it really means something when they say the "stocks are crashing" it means "your world is crumbling",,,,remember what i said about the rich men?,,,,they suckered you into their system,,,,,,, you took the "pin number in your forehead"

 

[iamsoandso]

who so ever you "obey he is your master",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,god will write his name in the forehead of who obeys him and to the other,,,,"enter your pin number"

 

[iamsoandso]

the most deadly thing was that we "day dreamed" about what they were "going to do" and did not pay any attention to what they were actually doing,,,,mankind thought they were going to do this and that and they were making them receive it the whole time,can any of you weigh me out a half an ounce of gold and hire me to work for you???????,,,,,,,,"i do not have a pin number"

 

[iamsoandso]

the name of god,,,,,if a man has a son his son's surname is the name of his father,,and if his son is married then the name of his wife is then called after his fathers name.,,,,,,,,,,,,and his sons after him then are also surnamed after their father as he was also called after his fathers name,,,,,it then seems important to be "that certain bride",,,,,,,,,,surly her name is being changed to the sons name and he is called after his father,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now are their many names?????no only the one,,,,,so then if you are the son of the son of the father and your name is written in the book of life ,,,then are their many names???????there is a name and it is written in the book of life and if you are the wife of the son of the father then go about the work of the house of the son,,,,sweep the floor,,,,mend the clothes,,,,, raise the children,,,,cook the food,,,,,,,,,"obey your husband",,,,,,,,,for who you obey he is your master,,,,,,,,,,,and he will call you after his fathers name

 

[Crossfire]

The seal of God is mentioned in Revelations 6 which states that the seal is some sort of supernatural occurance involving 4 angels sent out to the four corners of the earth. Matthew 24 also describes a very similar event (quite possibly the same event) where 4 angels are dispatched to the four corners of earth during Christ's second coming to rapture the saints. This is why I personally believe the seal to be nothing short of the transfiguration of the saints exchanging our physical bodies for eternal bodies.

 

[HearOhIsreal]

Technology is advancing rapidly, and I believe the "mark" that is referred to is a chip that is inserted under the skin. They've been planting tracking chips in newborn babies for years now [if requested by the parents]. But this chip, or mark, will behave like a credit card and your right hand will be able to be scanned in order to buy or sell goods. It makes sense to me, as the world is quickly moving to a single, global economy with a single, global government.

 

[Laodicea]

what is the seal of God? I read somewhere that it was related to the fourth commandment..

Ezekiel 20:20
(20) And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

 

[Laodicea]

Technology is advancing rapidly, and I believe the "mark" that is referred to is a chip that is inserted under the skin. They've been planting tracking chips in newborn babies for years now [if requested by the parents]. But this chip, or mark, will behave like a credit card and your right hand will be able to be scanned in order to buy or sell goods. It makes sense to me, as the world is quickly moving to a single, global economy with a single, global government.

The beast is symbolic so the mark is also symbolic

 

[HearOhIsreal]

The beast is symbolic so the mark is also symbolic

I disagree. I understand the Bible uses symbolism a lot, but I don't feel it applies in this specific context.

 

[Israel]

The mark of the beast is sin.

 

[tribesman]

what is the seal of God? I read somewhere that it was related to the fourth commandment..

In the context of Revelation that might not be the "whole picture". The word "seal" is used more than once and more than in one context in scripture.

Neh.10

[1] Now those that sealed were, Nehemiah, the Tirshatha, the son of Hachaliah, and Zidkijah,
[2] Seraiah, Azariah, Jeremiah,
[3] Pashur, Amariah, Malchijah,
[4] Hattush, Shebaniah, Malluch,
[5] Harim, Meremoth, Obadiah,
[6] Daniel, Ginnethon, Baruch,
[7] Meshullam, Abijah, Mijamin,
[8] Maaziah, Bilgai, Shemaiah: these were the priests.
[9] And the Levites: both Jeshua the son of Azaniah, Binnui of the sons of Henadad, Kadmiel;
[10] And their brethren, Shebaniah, Hodijah, Kelita, Pelaiah, Hanan,
[11] Micha, Rehob, Hashabiah,
[12] Zaccur, Sherebiah, Shebaniah,
[13] Hodijah, Bani, Beninu.
[14] The chief of the people; Parosh, Pahath-moab, Elam, Zatthu, Bani,
[15] Bunni, Azgad, Bebai,
[16] Adonijah, Bigvai, Adin,
[17] Ater, Hizkijah, Azzur,
[18] Hodijah, Hashum, Bezai,
[19] Hariph, Anathoth, Nebai,
[20] Magpiash, Meshullam, Hezir,
[21] Meshezabeel, Zadok, Jaddua,
[22] Pelatiah, Hanan, Anaiah,
[23] Hoshea, Hananiah, Hashub,
[24] Hallohesh, Pileha, Shobek,
[25] Rehum, Hashabnah, Maaseiah,
[26] And Ahijah, Hanan, Anan,
[27] Malluch, Harim, Baanah.
[28] And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding;
[29] They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

Isa.8

[16] Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

John.3

[33] He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

2Cor.1

[20] For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
[21] Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
[22] Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph.1

[11] In whom also we have otained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
[12] That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph.4

[30] And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Rev.9

[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 

[HearOhIsreal]

The mark of the beast is sin.

By your logic, we all have the mark of the beast and we're all going to burn for eternity. That's what you're saying. I completely disagree.

 

[tribesman]

By your logic, we all have the mark of the beast and we're all going to burn for eternity. That's what you're saying. I completely disagree.

Remarkably the user "Israel" insists that literally all will eventually be saved. All sinners that have the mark of the beast. Strange days, eh?

 

[Laodicea]

I disagree. I understand the Bible uses symbolism a lot, but I don't feel it applies in this specific context.

What matters is what the Bible says not what we feel it to be.

Beast = King or Kingdom
Daniel 7:23
(23) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The mark of the beast is mentioned in the same sentence so since the beast is symbolic the mark is also symbolic.
Revelation 16:2
(2) And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Another verse says this
Revelation 14:11
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 15:2
(2) And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

It is also called the mark of his name or the number of his name, so what is his name?
Revelation 13:1
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Worship is mentioned 8 times in Rev 13 & 14
2 Thessalonians 2:4
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
1 Corinthians 3:17
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The antichrist sits in the church receiving worship that belongs to God alone and this worship will be forced upon people
Revelation 13:15-16
(15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 

[Israel]

Remarkably the user "Israel" insists that literally all will eventually be saved. All sinners that have the mark of the beast. Strange days, eh?

By your logic, we all have the mark of the beast and we're all going to burn for eternity. That's what you're saying. I completely disagree.

Do I have to post the definition of the word "all"?

I've read that the beast is cast alive into the lake, but where does it say that those deceived are cast in?

 

[HearOhIsreal]

@Laodicea

What I meant is that these things will be physical. The beast is symbolic for something physical, so the mark of the beast must be symbolic for something physical. They that have the mark of the beast will indeed worship the beast as seen in Scripture. The mark, however, is not symbolic for the actual act of worshiping the beast.

 

[Laodicea]

Do I have to post the definition of the word "all"?

I've read that the beast is cast alive into the lake, but where does it say that those deceived are cast in?

Revelation 14:9-11
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[Israel]

Revelation 14:9-11
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Proverbs 25:21-22

21If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

22For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

The children of disobedience are indeed tormented by this love. He is the Lamb and by His mere presence, He torments them.

The beast has many images. For those who are not a christian, to a christian is he saved or killed? Likewise to a muslim, is a christian acceptable to Allah?