The Ten Commandments in the US

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Growing up in the US and into my adulthood, the churches in the US would post the Ten commandments where ever they could. They were posted in court houses in schools. Until Madeline Murray, later Madeline Murray O'Hare, no one batted an eye at this practice. MMO's first protest was prayer in schools, but later it expanded to anything to do with religion in schools except for teaching comparative religions.
In just about every denomination there was never a ban or teaching against the Ten Commandments, so my question is fairly simple. When did this teaching against the Ten Commandments creep into the minds of those who claim to love Jesus Christ? Why do those lost souls who preach and teach against obeying the Master insist His teaching to obey the commandments is a lie? After all the Ten Commandments fit well into the greatest laws, the two laws of love. The grace afforded believers in the free and ample gift of Jesus, Yeshua, gives all who truly love Him the desire to obey and please Him forever. The laws were not abolished by the Messiah, they were completed; it is the curse of the law, that is to say death, which has been crucified with Christ on the cross. Do not confuse our freedom in grace with license to commit abominations.
 
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Satan relentlessly attacks human beings. Sometimes he gains ground unfortunately.
 
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Did many of the early settlers not flea from here to escape persecution?

i read to start with some of the settlers would observe Sabbath and then not able to open for business on the 'sunday' meaning they gave up two days rather than not Keep Sabbath.
 
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I will say that certain company's have been blessed because for they are founded by christians and secondly they are closed on Sunday. When I was a child, you could not go to the store on Sunday, family's would cook there Sunday meals on Saturday.

Because Sunday was for Church and corporate worship to God. The only one company that holds true to this Chick Fila. And look how successful they are. Mind you it is Sunday and not Saturday. They Chose this day to be closed so that their employee's can be with their family and worship God as they please.
 
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Earlmayknowornot said:
I will say that certain company's have been blessed because for they are founded by christians and secondly they are closed on Sunday. When I was a child, you could not go to the store on Sunday, family's would cook there Sunday meals on Saturday.

Because Sunday was for Church and corporate worship to God. The only one company that holds true to this Chick Fila. And look how successful they are. Mind you it is Sunday and not Saturday. They Chose this day to be closed so that their employee's can be with their family and worship God as they please.
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Here we have Hobby Lobby - a fantastic craft and hobby store (I could spend hours in there!) that is closed on Sunday for the very same reason.
 
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Another note about Chick Fila. When My nephew was killed in Afghanistan, The local branch here brought food to my brothers house almost daily. I mean huge platters of nuggets and chicken sandwiches hamburgers, and anything else they have on their menu. They did this for two weeks. I eat there when ever I can and support them as much as I can.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Growing up in the US and into my adulthood, the churches in the US would post the Ten commandments where ever they could. They were posted in court houses in schools. Until Madeline Murray, later Madeline Murray O'Hare, no one batted an eye at this practice. MMO's first protest was prayer in schools, but later it expanded to anything to do with religion in schools except for teaching comparative religions.
In just about every denomination there was never a ban or teaching against the Ten Commandments, so my question is fairly simple. When did this teaching against the Ten Commandments creep into the minds of those who claim to love Jesus Christ? Why do those lost souls who preach and teach against obeying the Master insist His teaching to obey the commandments is a lie? After all the Ten Commandments fit well into the greatest laws, the two laws of love. The grace afforded believers in the free and ample gift of Jesus, Yeshua, gives all who truly love Him the desire to obey and please Him forever. The laws were not abolished by the Messiah, they were completed; it is the curse of the law, that is to say death, which has been crucified with Christ on the cross. Do not confuse our freedom in grace with license to commit abominations.
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I know I have argued with on other post on keeping the Sabbath. Look, The ten commandments are valuable and it is Holy seeing that it was given By The Holy God. They are most definitely good for government and how a believer should conduct himself. I am simply stating that law was not given for salvation, since no man is good no not one and cannot keep the law because of original sin. That is the sin nature that we are born with. Salvation only comes from the cross.

Certainly, we should set a side a day totally given for the worship of God. In fact we should pray and worship daily in devotion. However our faith must be placed firmly in the work of the cross and not in our own work. It is the cross that breaks the sin nature in us and gives us the strong desire to follow his word. No ritual or church tradition can break this power, only the cross.
 
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Why on earth, and why anywhere would anyone teach against the commandments which show what good behavior is? Why would anyone declare they are no longer valid? We are not talking about ceremonial statutes and ordinances, we are refering to any good, sound advice from our Father. Any law or commandment included in the two great laws of love cannot have an expiration. To agree the commandments are simply valuable diminishes the treasure they encompass, not to mention putting oneself on a level with the Father to say they "agree." The Father is not waiting for His beloved children to agree with Him, He however does wait for them to believe him. We must believe our Father, otherwise we do not believe Jesus for They are One together with the Holy Spirit, ergo we are not saved.
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Jaumej

I know I have argued with on other post on keeping the Sabbath. Look, The ten commandments are valuable and it is Holy seeing that it was given By The Holy God. They are most definitely good for government and how a believer should conduct himself. I am simply stating that law was not given for salvation, since no man is good no not one and cannot keep the law because of original sin. That is the sin nature that we are born with. Salvation only comes from the cross.

Certainly, we should set a side a day totally given for the worship of God. In fact we should pray and worship daily in devotion. However our faith must be placed firmly in the work of the cross and not in our own work. It is the cross that breaks the sin nature in us and gives us the strong desire to follow his word. No ritual or church tradition can break this power, only the cross.
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JaumeJ said:
Why on earth, and why anywhere would anyone teach against the commandments which show what good behavior is? Why would anyone declare they are no longer valid? .
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If anyone preached the ten commandments are not valid in respect of being reflected in the life of a believer, they are preaching a false Gospel(thougth I personally see the fourth as Paul wrote in Rom14:5)
However, The Christian would not need those commandments to be written in pen and ink and placed for them to see, for them the law is now internal, not external:

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’[SUP][c]

Heb10:16&17

[/SUP]You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2Cor3:2&3


But I take the point, that sadly, Christian principals are being eroded, not only in your country, but mine too. Earl, as a child the shops in the UK were mostly shut on a Sunday, completely different now, sadly
 
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I am simply saying that I would not have known the value of the commandments, till I came to the knowledge of the cross first. It is the cross that separated me from the power of sin and shown me the word of God. It all hinges on the cross.

The cross was and is God's ultimate sacrifice I was lost and undone I sinned because I was a sinner and not having knowledge as to the freedom that was provided by it. Again I adhere to ten commandments but, I do not place my faith in them. My faith is firmly in the cross. Can the ten commandments save and deliver a person from sin. certainly not only the cross can do that.
 
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Because reading the Word was by nature after my own total conviction and commitment to Christ, it never occurred to me to think anythng about the commandments and laws illustrating the best behavior in love, but now that you have mentioned it, the Ten Commandments were not important to me really until I found out about Jesus Christ, Yeshua, and He saved me. Then the Commandments were so informative on what I had done wrong in the past, and if I stumble, He fixes things perfectly. Thank you for that mention, it makes one think.
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I am simply saying that I would not have known the value of the commandments, till I came to the knowledge of the cross first. It is the cross that separated me from the power of sin and shown me the word of God. It all hinges on the cross.

The cross was and is God's ultimate sacrifice I was lost and undone I sinned because I was a sinner and not having knowledge as to the freedom that was provided by it. Again I adhere to ten commandments but, I do not place my faith in them. My faith is firmly in the cross. Can the ten commandments save and deliver a person from sin. certainly not only the cross can do that.
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JaumeJ said:
Growing up in the US and into my adulthood, the churches in the US would post the Ten commandments where ever they could. They were posted in court houses in schools. Until Madeline Murray, later Madeline Murray O'Hare, no one batted an eye at this practice. MMO's first protest was prayer in schools, but later it expanded to anything to do with religion in schools except for teaching comparative religions.
In just about every denomination there was never a ban or teaching against the Ten Commandments, so my question is fairly simple. When did this teaching against the Ten Commandments creep into the minds of those who claim to love Jesus Christ? Why do those lost souls who preach and teach against obeying the Master insist His teaching to obey the commandments is a lie? After all the Ten Commandments fit well into the greatest laws, the two laws of love. The grace afforded believers in the free and ample gift of Jesus, Yeshua, gives all who truly love Him the desire to obey and please Him forever. The laws were not abolished by the Messiah, they were completed; it is the curse of the law, that is to say death, which has been crucified with Christ on the cross. Do not confuse our freedom in grace with license to commit abominations.
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You are 100% right. I can't for the life of me, understand why so many Christians want to put the 10 commands of God everywhere in public, when most Christian churches refuse to obey them, and teach others to disobey.
 
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Earlmayknowornot said:
I will say that certain company's have been blessed because for they are founded by christians and secondly they are closed on Sunday. When I was a child, you could not go to the store on Sunday, family's would cook there Sunday meals on Saturday.

Because Sunday was for Church and corporate worship to God. The only one company that holds true to this Chick Fila. And look how successful they are. Mind you it is Sunday and not Saturday. They Chose this day to be closed so that their employee's can be with their family and worship God as they please.
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"worship God as they please"
How much more God will bless those who will worship Him when He pleases? (on the Sabbath)
 
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Earlmayknowornot said:
Jaumej

I know I have argued with on other post on keeping the Sabbath. Look, The ten commandments are valuable and it is Holy seeing that it was given By The Holy God. They are most definitely good for government and how a believer should conduct himself. I am simply stating that law was not given for salvation, since no man is good no not one and cannot keep the law because of original sin. That is the sin nature that we are born with. Salvation only comes from the cross.

Certainly, we should set a side a day totally given for the worship of God. In fact we should pray and worship daily in devotion. However our faith must be placed firmly in the work of the cross and not in our own work. It is the cross that breaks the sin nature in us and gives us the strong desire to follow his word. No ritual or church tradition can break this power, only the cross.
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"how a believer should conduct himself."
These are the 10 Commandments. They are not the 10 suggestions. There are no thou should, or thou should not.
Based on the idea that keeping the commands of God are no longer necessary, I must wonder why Christ said to John in Revelation, He hated the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.
 
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