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Genesis 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
( that is a complete statement .
It says He created them in the beginning, but doesn't give you a time, as to when the beginning was. )
Isaiah 45
King James Version
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
So yeah I can see its old, because God's creation speaks for itself . And so does His words.
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
( that is a complete statement .
It says He created them in the beginning, but doesn't give you a time, as to when the beginning was. )
Isaiah 45
King James Version
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
So yeah I can see its old, because God's creation speaks for itself . And so does His words.
Scientist aren't my favorite people when it comes to God; their not good theologians nor do most of them know much about God. But their not stupid either! Old earth creation! The creation story in Genesis is true, but it is a 7 day prophecy in Adam of the past , present and future; it was never meant to be taken as a literal 7 days of any kind. This doesn't leave those who say they don't believe in God, but believe in an old earth, much wiggle room! Stop letting them off the hook by trying to tell them the earth is only 6000 years old! Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden about 6000 years ago, there is a difference!
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as far as science goes. Much of the scientific method is inaqurate, because we can not know what was happening preflood.
Peter warned us in the last days mean will be mocking God saying things have gone as they have since the beginning of time.
carbon dating could only be accurate until the flood. It assumes the rate of decay has always been the same as today.
a good book to read is Earth's catostrophic past.. He goes into alot of this.. also much other stuff..
Peter warned us in the last days mean will be mocking God saying things have gone as they have since the beginning of time.
carbon dating could only be accurate until the flood. It assumes the rate of decay has always been the same as today.
a good book to read is Earth's catostrophic past.. He goes into alot of this.. also much other stuff..
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In my opinion no, I accept the scientific model of billions of years 
I don't see why God can't do it that way, and I think there's sufficient evidence to think He did.
I think the Genesis account isn't meant to be taken literally. But I'm fallible of course
I don't see why God can't do it that way, and I think there's sufficient evidence to think He did.I think the Genesis account isn't meant to be taken literally. But I'm fallible of course
Why would God have moses write down what he stated happened, only to not take it literally? this makes no sense (to me) did he want to confuse us?
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Yeaah I'm not very convinced by carbon dating anyway because I don't understand it, I can see that we probably can't check radioactive decay rates were the same in the past. I do however find the intergalactic distances, billions of light years, convincing proof that the universe is old, regardless of the age of the Earth.
Do you feel an old universe conflicts with Christianity?
Do you feel an old universe conflicts with Christianity?
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In my opinion no, I accept the scientific model of billions of years I don't see why God can't do it that way, and I think there's sufficient evidence to think He did.
I think the Genesis account isn't meant to be taken literally. But I'm fallible of course
I don't see why God can't do it that way, and I think there's sufficient evidence to think He did.I think the Genesis account isn't meant to be taken literally. But I'm fallible of course
Why limit God to man's 24-hour day? The concept of a 24-hour day was not adopted until way later on. A day in the Jewish concept was just from sun-up to sun-down. Also, you cannot judge God's time to the standards of man. He is outside of the time man is in. You cannot put God into a box. I've heard the arguments that God does not go against things that he creates...but he defeated death itself! Do not put God's standards on the same scale as the standards of man. They are DIFFERENT.
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I feel scripture shows the earth to be about 6 million years old..If Adam was created in the beginning, which I have seen no reason not to believe.
as for billions of light years. God, who has the power) to put planets and suns where they are, who created the laws of science, and who placed the stars in the sky. could have made it so the light was already showing in earth when he created them no matter how far they are.. Also. we know the universe is expanding. we can only assume they were that far away when created and not much closer..
to much data which is really unknown. No one was there..lol
as for billions of light years. God, who has the power) to put planets and suns where they are, who created the laws of science, and who placed the stars in the sky. could have made it so the light was already showing in earth when he created them no matter how far they are.. Also. we know the universe is expanding. we can only assume they were that far away when created and not much closer..
to much data which is really unknown. No one was there..lol
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Kabalistic teachings are like, Jewish theology, right?
That's only a coincidence that they believe and science believes it, scientists don't believe the universe is billions of years old because it's a kabalistic teaching, but because of evidence
There are pleeenty of Christian astronomers, all of them accept an old universe (not that that proves it's true, it just shows they aren't considered mutually exclusive ideas from a scientist's perspective)
That's only a coincidence that they believe and science believes it, scientists don't believe the universe is billions of years old because it's a kabalistic teaching, but because of evidence
There are pleeenty of Christian astronomers, all of them accept an old universe (not that that proves it's true, it just shows they aren't considered mutually exclusive ideas from a scientist's perspective)