old Earth vs. young Earth

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eternally-gratefull

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jb said:
Please do expound the Scriptures and your thought process on how you arrived at this...
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it is called using history, family trees (I can;t remember the scriptural word right now) and other things..

scripture gives us adams age, and the age of his descendants up till noah.

then it gives noahs age and his descendants till abraham.

then gives us this to moses

then gives us this to david

then this to Christ

which was 2000 years ago..
 
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JesusChica1991

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We actually don't know how old Adam and Eve were when God placed them in the Garden...we only know he placed them in the garden on the 6th day (I believe it was the 6th.)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JesusChica1991 said:
I agree with you. My point is that we simply just can't limit it to a 24-hour day because that's what WE adopt. It could easily be both. We could ALL be wrong. Our time is not God's time. He created time and is outside of it. We can't subject God to something he himself created.
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this is true.

But if we take what Moses wrote literally. God created the heavens and earth in 7 days. And according to him, these days started at sun-up till sundown.

so how do we take these days? Literall or not?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JesusChica1991 said:
We actually don't know how old Adam and Eve were when God placed them in the Garden...we only know he placed them in the garden on the 6th day (I believe it was the 6th.)
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yes, this would be about the only thing I would say is unknown.

adam was said to be 900 and some years. Is this from his sin, or from creation.. if from his sin,, how long was he alive before he sinned.. that is the only unknown I see
 
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jb

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eternally-gratefull said:

it is called using history, family trees (I can;t remember the scriptural word right now) and other things..

scripture gives us adams age, and the age of his descendants up till noah.

then it gives noahs age and his descendants till abraham.

then gives us this to moses

then gives us this to david

then this to Christ

which was 2000 years ago..
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Archbishop Ussher did a chronology back to Adam's creation and got a figure of 4000 BC (or so), but how do you arrive at a figure of 6,000,000 years for an earth age?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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jb said:
Archbishop Ussher did a chronology back to Adam's creation and got a figure of 4000 BC (or so), but how do you arrive at a figure of 6,000,000 years for an earth age?
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I meant 6 thousand.. I mistakenly wrote million instead of a thousand, I see why your questioning..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

I meant 6 thousand.. I mistakenly wrote million instead of a thousand, I see why your questioning..lol
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The problem of your missing 5,994,000 (or so) years is now solved...althought a 6,000 year figure is not one I would go with...but I digress! Yahweh Shalom
 
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JesusChica1991 said:
We actually don't know how old Adam and Eve were when God placed them in the Garden...we only know he placed them in the garden on the 6th day (I believe it was the 6th.)
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Well, the bible states that Adam was a man, not a boy or child. Also, it is stated that he was to tend to the Garden of Eden, so he had to be old enough to do this. Therefore, at the very least he was a young adult in age. So, to me, that means that if God created humankind as adults, he would do the same for everything else.
 
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Trifecta

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Dear Eternally ,
I believe God to be a God of process . Remember , HIs word says that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day . My personal belief is that the Earth was given a 6 thousand year timeframe in order to regenerate itself . God told man to , ' Go forth and Re plentish the Earth ' , as if the Earth had already been , ' Plentished ' at one time in the past . I believe that when Genesis speaks of the Creation Event , versus the time when man was created , it speaks of two totally different timeframes . My personal belief ( and this is Not supported by Scripture , other than the Re plentish statement ) is that Planet Earth was inhabited by angels prior to the time that man was placed in charge of Earth , and that the angel Lucifer was in authority over it . Some say Lucifers fall came in the garden , I don't personally believe that . I believe he went to war with God at some point prior to mans existance , and God simply removed him from authority , and turned the lights off on Planet Earth , until we see in Genesis where God returned and began His New plan of Creation , where He would place man in authority over the Earth , instead of Lucifer . Again , I have only one scriptural basis for my theory , and one can only take it for what it is worth .
 
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wdeaton65

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Phillipy said:
Kabalistic teachings are like, Jewish theology, right?
That's only a coincidence that they believe and science believes it, scientists don't believe the universe is billions of years old because it's a kabalistic teaching, but because of evidence :)
There are pleeenty of Christian astronomers, all of them accept an old universe (not that that proves it's true, it just shows they aren't considered mutually exclusive ideas from a scientist's perspective)
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Coincidence really; copernicus, kepler, galileo, john dee, francis bacon, newton, all the so called greats and lets not forget oppenhiemer and all his bunch. The list could go on and on. All were kabalistic students and alchemists which is forbidden by GOD. Coincidence, to use your word, brother no such word in the word of GOD, as the rabbis say not a kosher word Jer 16; 19-21 please study this from Jeremiah thanks let no man deceive you for any reason. Have fun with your studies thanks
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Trifecta said:
Dear Eternally ,
I believe God to be a God of process . Remember , HIs word says that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day . My personal belief is that the Earth was given a 6 thousand year timeframe in order to regenerate itself . God told man to , ' Go forth and Re plentish the Earth ' , as if the Earth had already been , ' Plentished ' at one time in the past . I believe that when Genesis speaks of the Creation Event , versus the time when man was created , it speaks of two totally different timeframes . My personal belief ( and this is Not supported by Scripture , other than the Re plentish statement ) is that Planet Earth was inhabited by angels prior to the time that man was placed in charge of Earth , and that the angel Lucifer was in authority over it . Some say Lucifers fall came in the garden , I don't personally believe that . I believe he went to war with God at some point prior to mans existance , and God simply removed him from authority , and turned the lights off on Planet Earth , until we see in Genesis where God returned and began His New plan of Creation , where He would place man in authority over the Earth , instead of Lucifer . Again , I have only one scriptural basis for my theory , and one can only take it for what it is worth .
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can you show where God told them to replenish the earth?
 
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Phillipy

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Genesis 1:28
"28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
 
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Phillipy

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Bam! ;)
Backed you up Trifecta :)
I really liked your flexibility, but I'll just irrelevantly voice that I don't believe all the same things you believe :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Phillipy said:
Genesis 1:28
"28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
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28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

The New King James Version. 1982 (Ge 1:28). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. 1995 (Ge 1:28). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

The word "fill"

mâlâ˒ (Esth. 7:5), maw-law’; a prim. root, to fill or (intr.) be full of, in a wide application (lit. and fig.):— accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, × draw, give in, go) full (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.

Strong, J. (1996). The New Strong’s Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.


Not sure where the word refill comes from. Yes it can be used.. But it is just one possible interpretaion.
 
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Phillipy

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A big part of Eternally Gratefull's issue with evolution so far is that it's not mentioned by the bible and he thinks it would be. So Trifecta since you believe in a pre-Adam domain of Lucifer that isn't mentioned in the bible, you're kind of on my side :D
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Phillipy said:
A big part of Eternally Gratefull's issue with evolution so far is that it's not mentioned by the bible and he thinks it would be. So Trifecta since you believe in a pre-Adam domain of Lucifer that isn't mentioned in the bible, you're kind of on my side :D
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lol my problem with evolution is science does not fit. Not that it is not mentioned in scripture. (if your talking darwins evolution)

I used to believe in this "gap" theory you spoke of.. After alot of study, I have taken my believe to a different view..

 
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Phillipy

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eternally-gratefull said:
The word "fill"

mâlâ˒ (Esth. 7:5), maw-law’; a prim. root, to fill or (intr.) be full of, in a wide application (lit. and fig.):— accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, × draw, give in, go) full (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.

Strong, J. (1996). The New Strong’s Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.


Not sure where the word refill comes from. Yes it can be used.. But it is just one possible interpretaion.
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Okay good work that's good stuff, I just want to confirm with you that mala is the originally used Hebrew word, you didn't look up Herbrew for 'fill', right?
 
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