Divorce except for unchastity is adultery?

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Ariel82

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Ok someone explain this, divorce, and marriage to another is adultry, except for unchastity,
does that mean if the spouse cheated on him? I don't understand what this means.
i skimmed the thread and totally disagree with some of the posters and then it got to a mess of confusing so I decided to just respond to your question.

"I say to you: whoever dismisses (repudiates, divorces) his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery, [SUP][c][/SUP]and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
It is saying that unless your wife committed adultery with someone else you cause them to commit adultery or are committing adultery if you try and remarry.

In other words, YOU ARE STILL MARRIED to your first spouse.

I think Moses gave grounds for divorce that included if you just got tired of your wife you could divorce her. Jesus said that the only time you can divorce someone is if they commit adultery. therefore you are both still married until one of you commits adultery then the covenant of marriage is broken.

this causes a lot of spiritual, emotional and mental damage because it is a bond that is cut. often people will be broken because of it.

once the marriage is broken I believe Christians should take time alone with just God to heal before trying to jump into another relationship. God has a way of showing us who He wants us to be with.
 

Messenger_T

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Adultery is sex with another person after marriage (worldy speaking it is sex with another person after commitment is taken).
Fornication is sex outside of commiment (marriage).

So by biblical defintion....ANY sex (intercourse) outside of marriage is sinful. And both lead to condemnation.
 
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Well, erm thanks for your replies, got a little contradictions, but thanks.
 
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danschance

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Ok someone explain this, divorce, and marriage to another is adultry, except for unchastity,
does that mean if the spouse cheated on him? I don't understand what this means.
If one divorces on unbiblical grounds, God still considers them married because God only gave two conditions for divorce. (adultery and abandonment by an unbelieving spouse). In other words, if you divorce you wife because she burned your breakfast, God's legal requirement for divorce has not been met. This means God does not honor that divorce. Even so, you precede with your divorce and then marry a hot coworker. Now God sees your second marriage as being not legal. This means you are still married to your first wife.

God hates divorce and divorce is never a command by God. Jesus said divorce is an option due to the hardness of our hearts.
 
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AVoice

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Fornication is sexual immorality, so adultery would easily qualify as such.
The word fornication has more than one meaning. In some contexts it means exclusively the premarital sexual sin. When a sentence has a word that has more than one definition then all available definitions can be tried. The one that makes the sentence function perfectly is the one the author intended. That is why fornication, meaning the premarital sexual sin is the right definition in this context. They had a cultural premarital divorce for premarital sex that terminated their heavy duty engagement called "betrothal". The exception clause jumps over to that kind of divorce. The man and woman involved were also titled husband and wife. So the jump by the exception clause works perfectly from a grammatical perspective. When this understanding is not embraced the text contradicts itself. The two verses that contain the exception clause, Matthew 5:31,32 and Matt 19:9 contradict themselves as well as each other when "fornication" is assumed to be adultery. So there is built in proof in Matt 5:31,32 that adultery cannot have been intended by Jesus to be a grounds for divorce, when he gave the exception for fornication. All the commentaries and teaching saying adultery is a grounds for divorce are all wrong. There is irrefutable evidence to support this claim.
 
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AVoice

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So in your opinion, I can cheat on my girlfriend, and she can divorce me if she finds out after we marry, but I can cheat on my wife all I want and she can't?
The divorce in betrothal was BEFORE becoming joined in marriage. The message is, unless you divorce before you get married, forget it. Once joined in marriage there is no way out except death.
Those that have left and cleaved are identified as who God has joined together. They are those who man is not to put asunder. Those who are merely engaged, as was the betrothal situation, have not left and cleaved. The divorce they exercised during betrothal was OK, it did not put asunder what God had joined together.
 
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BradC

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You have a girl who goes out with many guys and has sexual relations with them. We know that in the eyes of God that the act of sex constitutes a consummation of a union. However, she has married none of them, therefore she is a fornicator and no longer a virgin. Should she marry or remain unmarried? Can the blood of Christ wipe out her sin and give her a new start or will she be stained for life by her fornication? If a married man had sexual relations with her, the
n divorces his wife and marries her, would both be living in adultery even if the man's wife, who he put away through divorce had cheated on him with another man (whether married or not)? This can be a very messed up situation when either fornication or adultery is involved before or even after marriage. The bottom line is this... don't fornicate and don't commit adultery... if you do, go to God and be reconciled. If single, flee fornication and be married to another so that you can be justified and not burn (lust) though you may have troubles in your marriage. The troubles in the marriage will give you occasion to go to God and beseech his mercy and grace so that you can become established in your heart with God's provision getting to know him through your troubles.
 
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AVoice

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You have a girl who goes out with many guys and has sexual relations with them. We know that in the eyes of God that the act of sex constitutes a consummation of a union. However, she has married none of them, therefore she is a fornicator and no longer a virgin. Should she marry or remain unmarried? Can the blood of Christ wipe out her sin and give her a new start or will she be stained for life by her fornication? If a married man had sexual relations with her, the
n divorces his wife and marries her, would both be living in adultery even if the man's wife, who he put away through divorce had cheated on him with another man (whether married or not)? This can be a very messed up situation when either fornication or adultery is involved before or even after marriage. The bottom line is this... don't fornicate and don't commit adultery... if you do, go to God and be reconciled. If single, flee fornication and be married to another so that you can be justified and not burn (lust) though you may have troubles in your marriage. The troubles in the marriage will give you occasion to go to God and beseech his mercy and grace so that you can become established in your heart with God's provision getting to know him through your troubles.
Brad, fornicating does not make the two people one flesh in marriage. Paul uses the 'one flesh' aspect when referring to fornication to highlight the perversity of it. Something reserved for marriage but done outside of marriage. A corruption of the 'one flesh' status, designed only for marriage but instead becoming one flesh with an harlot.
There is 'one flesh' after its intended use in marriage and that is binding till death. The misuse of that and so becoming 'one flesh' for a night or whatever, does not bind them. It was not a marriage and God does not see them as married just because they fornicated. They need to repent of that. Sins are what are left behind and from which it is said 'all things are become new'.
The phrase 'all things are become new' has nothing to do with the supposed 'right' to abandon a first and lawful marriage. No one has the right to do that. They are one flesh until death like Adam and Eve. To get married again means to commit adultery while the first and lawful spouse is still alive.
Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore the remarried shall not inherit, until they get out of that adultery. The adulterous marriage has to be abandoned. That is what repentance means.
 
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Matt1626

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#49
Ok someone explain this, divorce, and marriage to another is adultry, except for unchastity,
does that mean if the spouse cheated on him? I don't understand what this means.

The bible never says you can remarry only divorce so remarriage is completely unbiblical
 

EmethAlethia

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Ok someone explain this, divorce, and marriage to another is adultry, except for unchastity,
does that mean if the spouse cheated on him? I don't understand what this means.
First understand that our modern definitions are not the biblical ones.

Fornication, or Pornea, from which we derive our modern term pornography, has nothing at all to do with pornography. A couple of people got that right. It is whoredom, per say, but it covers every form of illicit sexual intercourse, Adultery, Homosexuality, Bestiality, premarital intercourse ... It has NOTHING do to with dirty pictures, movies, paintings ... which were all over all of the ancient Roman cities ... do some research into the art of Pompeii if you don't believe me.

Pornography no more relates to the meaning of pornea than pneuma relates to pneumatic. If you want to make pornography, and what happens in it equal to pornea then you must make pneuma(The word for the Holy Spirit) equal to pneumatic as well to be consistent. In other words, how long an air hose does the Holy Spirit have? How big a compressor does it take to operate the Holy Spirit. Yes, this is ludicrous. So is taking the meaning of the modern word pornography and attempting to shove that meaning back into the bible because of a common root word.

Adultery is ALWAYS the destruction of an existing family unit to form another one. A family unit, according to God's definition in the O.T. is a husband, his wife or wives, and all their kids. This is why David could have 6 wives, and kids with 5 of them prior to committing adultery. It is also why Solomon never committed adultery. Besides, in the reproof of David, God says He is the one who gave David the wives of his enemies, and says that He would have gladly given David more if only he had not sinned. Check it out, don't trust me. Also there is a command that when we do take extra wives, we are not to lessen the support or marital rights of the first wife. God doesn't give commands on how to "sin" properly.


The passage that says, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother ..." in Genesis is not a command, and no one, including God took it to be one. That explains why it wasn't corrected by God and the prophets in the O.T., and Jesus and the bible writers in the New Testament. Most people believe Solomon should be the poster boy for ungodly lusts. A thousand wives and concubines, and not only looking at them naked, not only touching them, but having kids with them ... yet, no reproof, why? That wasn't the area of Solomon's sin. He didn't take wives of the same faith, and those wives took his heart away from God.

This is the foundation for the discussion in the N.T.. Here, we see things like, before you can actually commit a sin, there are prerequisites that we go through. For example: Before you commit murder, according to the biblical definition, you must first be really angry with them. Before you can commit adultery, i.e. commit sexual intercourse with a woman who is married to another living man who is not you, you must be in the same room, and you must dwell on lust with her in your presence. If it never gets to this point, adultery is not going to happen.

From what I understand, the Jews had a way of justifying allowing a man to be in the same room and indulge himself mentally, even with women married to another man, and it was not considered a bad thing. Don't know if that is correct or not though. That said, the word adultery limits the scope of what is being discussed to a woman married to a different man than the one in the room doing the lusting. The word woman used is also the only Greek word that can be used for married woman. This limits the scope to married women (Husbands still alive) and being in the same room with her and dwelling on your lusts while intently gazing at her ... blepo, I believe. If Matthew had used the word pornea, or fornication, instead of the word for adultery, then we would be having a whole different discussion, and some conflicts with the passage in 1 Cor. 7. As it is, there is no conflict.


This brings us to the last passages. We have cases where wives divorce their first husband, and husbands divorce their first wives ... to marry another. For the woman, she must always destroy the first marriage relationship to form another one. For the man, he could "Add to" his current family by taking another wife. Yes, all this stuff was foreign to me, and a bit offensive at first, but it is what God set up. And all of scripture, and history is consistent with this. The problem is that when you divorce, you destroy the existing family structure to create a new one.

Divorce is another topic. From God's standpoint, Hosea covers His responses to a spouse committing adultery. That's the "Godly way" of responding to a spouse committing adultery. Keep in mind that God's definition of adultery really hasn't changed at all here, ever. But if your spouse does do so, AND YOU HAVE A HARD HEART(That's your problem) divorce is "allowed".

I am open to altering any, and all of my opinions, beliefs, teachings … in the light of the fullness of the scripture with everything that pertains taken into consideration, and with everything cut straight so that everything fits in a cohesive whole.
 
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BradC

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Brad, fornicating does not make the two people one flesh in marriage. Paul uses the 'one flesh' aspect when referring to fornication to highlight the perversity of it. Something reserved for marriage but done outside of marriage. A corruption of the 'one flesh' status, designed only for marriage but instead becoming one flesh with an harlot.
There is 'one flesh' after its intended use in marriage and that is binding till death. The misuse of that and so becoming 'one flesh' for a night or whatever, does not bind them. It was not a marriage and God does not see them as married just because they fornicated. They need to repent of that. Sins are what are left behind and from which it is said 'all things are become new'.
The phrase 'all things are become new' has nothing to do with the supposed 'right' to abandon a first and lawful marriage. No one has the right to do that. They are one flesh until death like Adam and Eve. To get married again means to commit adultery while the first and lawful spouse is still alive.
Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore the remarried shall not inherit, until they get out of that adultery. The adulterous marriage has to be abandoned. That is what repentance means.
Respond to this. Let's say an innocent spouse is separated from her husband. While separated she has relations with a married man and gets pregnant. Her husband, for which she is only separated from, files for a divorce and remarries. How do you account for adultery in this situation? Is the innocent spouse also guilty of adultery? Is the husband who had an affair while separated justified to remarry? The innocent spouse who had sexual relations with a married man gets married to another man. Both are now remarried. Are both living in adultery and should both abandon their second marriage? If they did so, can they be reconciled when both have families in their second marriage? Are they doomed to not inheriting eternal life or is their redemption for all parties concerned? If you believe as you do then was David's affair and marriage justified with Bathsheba and with the multiple wives he inherited from Saul and on his own, when king's were forbidden to multiple wives? How could the Holy Spirit record in the NT that David served his generation and fulfilled the will of God (Acts 13:36)? Is not David in your eyes an adulterer and a polygamist who ignored the mandate given to kings?
 

EmethAlethia

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Is not David in your eyes an adulterer and a polygamist who ignored the mandate given to kings?
Interesting that. The mandate was for kings, not necessarily anyone else, not to heap to themselves horses, gold or wives. Is one horse a heap? No. Is one gold piece a heap? No. Is a thousand a heap of wives? I would say so. But then it was God who promised to bless Solomon and grant him everything he did not ask for (Except foreign wives, of course.) He definitely had a heap of gold and a heap of horses as well. largest stables of all time, from what I hear from the excavations...

And, of course, God said that he gave David even the wives of his enemies, when he was reproved, so it's kind of hard to get on David for the other wives when they were a gift from God, as well. Just saying ... If anyone sinned, ... it was God with the other wives thing ... Just saying. Or it could be that the verse in Genesis really wasn't a command, as those in our modern western society believe. "For this reason ..." doesn't really sound like a "Thou shalt not ... " does it? Didn't to God I guess, or godly men and women prior to our modern age.
 
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AVoice

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Respond to this. Let's say an innocent spouse is separated from her husband. While separated she has relations with a married man and gets pregnant. Her husband, for which she is only separated from, files for a divorce and remarries. How do you account for adultery in this situation? Is the innocent spouse also guilty of adultery? Is the husband who had an affair while separated justified to remarry? The innocent spouse who had sexual relations with a married man gets married to another man. Both are now remarried. Are both living in adultery and should both abandon their second marriage? If they did so, can they be reconciled when both have families in their second marriage? Are they doomed to not inheriting eternal life or is their redemption for all parties concerned? If you believe as you do then was David's affair and marriage justified with Bathsheba and with the multiple wives he inherited from Saul and on his own, when king's were forbidden to multiple wives? How could the Holy Spirit record in the NT that David served his generation and fulfilled the will of God (Acts 13:36)? Is not David in your eyes an adulterer and a polygamist who ignored the mandate given to kings?
The NT has brought a higher standard. Many things from the OT have been abolished. Some things that were commanded under the OT are now a sin if someone were to obey them. Abraham or David or Solomon were not Christians. In the NT things have been revealed that have been hidden from ages and generations.
The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. With grace no need to allow what was allowed for hardness of hearts because the grace given makes the believer not hardhearted. He will not divorce. He will forgive and pray for his wife. Divorce is unforgiveness and hardness of heart in almost every case. They did not have the regeneration of the Holy Spirit before Jesus died and rose.

Yes, in your scenario both parties are living in adultery and they must either abandon that second marriage and live singly or abandon it and be reconciled. Remarriage is adultery.
And divorce causes the wife to commit adultery. A horrible charge to have to face before God for the man who divorces his wife; no matter why he divorced her.

The very first place in the NT where Jesus addresses divorce and remarriage is in Matt 5:31,32. It is proven, by the way that sentence is constructed, that adultery was NOT given as a grounds for divorce. That divorce for adultery explanation is absolutely proven to be heresy.
 
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AVoice

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But if your spouse does do so, AND YOU HAVE A HARD HEART(That's your problem) divorce is "allowed".
Can't you see the folly in that?
That means Jesus allows hardness of hearts.
The NT tells us to be "tender hearted forgiving one another".
Hardness of hearts and unforgiveness go together. That is why the OT allowance to divorce, which was given because of the hardness of their hearts, has been abolished. Like a lot of stuff from the OT.
Come on guys, get up to speed.
 
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BradC

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The NT has brought a higher standard. Many things from the OT have been abolished. Some things that were commanded under the OT are now a sin if someone were to obey them. Abraham or David or Solomon were not Christians. In the NT things have been revealed that have been hidden from ages and generations.
The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. With grace no need to allow what was allowed for hardness of hearts because the grace given makes the believer not hardhearted. He will not divorce. He will forgive and pray for his wife. Divorce is unforgiveness and hardness of heart in almost every case. They did not have the regeneration of the Holy Spirit before Jesus died and rose.

Yes, in your scenario both parties are living in adultery and they must either abandon that second marriage and live singly or abandon it and be reconciled. Remarriage is adultery.
And divorce causes the wife to commit adultery. A horrible charge to have to face before God for the man who divorces his wife; no matter why he divorced her.

The very first place in the NT where Jesus addresses divorce and remarriage is in Matt 5:31,32. It is proven, by the way that sentence is constructed, that adultery was NOT given as a grounds for divorce. That divorce for adultery explanation is absolutely proven to be heresy.
In that scenario terrible mistakes were made by both parties and they both would come under chastisement for a time. However, is there no redemption provided in this case for both parties and can not God redeem what was broken down through sin? Do we not understand the nature of God's mercy when we have made a provision for the flesh and had to reap the effects of it? If they were to divorce from their second marriage to reunite, that would be adding sin to sin without wisdom. Wisdom would be to seek the face of God and receive grace for the marriage that you are now in and make the best of it. To make any effort go back after reconciliation is impossible would be reckless and ill advised. Both parties are now acquainted with their mistakes and have to go on by faith trusting God for an abundance of grace. Immaturity, weakness of the flesh, a lack of wisdom and knowledge along with other outside and inward pressures could be responsible for attributing to and leading a married couple to this scenario.
 

EmethAlethia

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Can't you see the folly in that?
That means Jesus allows hardness of hearts.
The NT tells us to be "tender hearted forgiving one another".
Hardness of hearts and unforgiveness go together. That is why the OT allowance to divorce, which was given because of the hardness of their hearts, has been abolished. Like a lot of stuff from the OT.
Come on guys, get up to speed.
Oh, I quite agree, as I stated in my post, God's example of how we should respond in in Hosea... moral of that story ... never marry a woman named Gomer ....

Yes, according to God's example, Christian divorce should not exist. At least that's the way I read it. But if you do have a hard heart, ... even Jesus gave an out. But the problem is then, not with the one who committed adultery, the problem is with the one unable to forgive, is it not?
 
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According to God divorce is only allowable if one of the spouses cheats or dies.

The Bible says what God has put together let no person part them,and they become one flesh.

When a couple marries it is for life and if it is not for cheating they cannot divorce,and they cannot marry another person.

They can separate if they choose but they can never marry another.
 
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AVoice

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In that scenario terrible mistakes were made by both parties and they both would come under chastisement for a time. However, is there no redemption provided in this case for both parties and can not God redeem what was broken down through sin? Do we not understand the nature of God's mercy when we have made a provision for the flesh and had to reap the effects of it? If they were to divorce from their second marriage to reunite, that would be adding sin to sin without wisdom. Wisdom would be to seek the face of God and receive grace for the marriage that you are now in and make the best of it. To make any effort go back after reconciliation is impossible would be reckless and ill advised. Both parties are now acquainted with their mistakes and have to go on by faith trusting God for an abundance of grace. Immaturity, weakness of the flesh, a lack of wisdom and knowledge along with other outside and inward pressures could be responsible for attributing to and leading a married couple to this scenario.
In other words you say God allows a mere man to put asunder what he has joined together.
 
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AVoice

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According to God divorce is only allowable if one of the spouses cheats or dies.

The Bible says what God has put together let no person part them,and they become one flesh.

When a couple marries it is for life and if it is not for cheating they cannot divorce,and they cannot marry another person.

They can separate if they choose but they can never marry another.
You interpret fornication in the exception clause to mean adultery. That dramatically changes the sentence function. The exception clause then changes from a non essential to an essential clause making the sentence nonsensical.
Your theory does not hold up under what Jesus said. In Matt 19:9 the language shows that if the kind of divorce, for fornication, was utilized, then he can marry afterward and it is not adultery. When you interpret that divorce for fornication to mean for adultery, then it means he can marry after divorcing for adultery. You say he can't. You are in effect saying Jesus lied in Matt 19:9.