Divorce except for unchastity is adultery?
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From what I have learned that the only grounds for divorce is adultery. Other than that, God expects you to work it out.
“I say to you,” he continued, “that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matt. 5:32)
....So technically no its not okay.
“I say to you,” he continued, “that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matt. 5:32)
....So technically no its not okay.
I concur.
It is a very misunderstood passage but what you've said is correct. In essence, if the couple haven't gotten married and one party commits sexual immorality (fornication), they can terminate the betrothal. For instance in the case of Mary and Joseph, he would have been justified for putting her away when he found out that she was pregnant before they got married.
It is a very misunderstood passage but what you've said is correct. In essence, if the couple haven't gotten married and one party commits sexual immorality (fornication), they can terminate the betrothal. For instance in the case of Mary and Joseph, he would have been justified for putting her away when he found out that she was pregnant before they got married.
Fornication and Adultery are two separate things, which is why Paul needed to separate them when speaking about them.
Fornication And Adultery (What's the Difference?)
Fornication And Adultery (What's the Difference?)
Matthew 5:32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Jesus was just explaining the true meaning of the laws, to the people that had claimed that they had kept the laws. The men in those days had many wives and which it wasn't in the laws but God had waited patiently to see if they will had grown from their wicked ways. Even the law about coveting which means lusting or idolizing; like at a woman. When a person had lust after a woman, had created an idol from out of the flesh, and some are willing to kill over this flesh as if it is your only treasure and which some women love to be treated as a goddess and which that is also consider as a sin. Jesus came to stop us from judging others and let Him start the cleansing process. So nobody better not think that they are perfect. People better stop throwing up laws in one another faces and focus on getting themselve clean.
Luke 6:41“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Jesus was just explaining the true meaning of the laws, to the people that had claimed that they had kept the laws. The men in those days had many wives and which it wasn't in the laws but God had waited patiently to see if they will had grown from their wicked ways. Even the law about coveting which means lusting or idolizing; like at a woman. When a person had lust after a woman, had created an idol from out of the flesh, and some are willing to kill over this flesh as if it is your only treasure and which some women love to be treated as a goddess and which that is also consider as a sin. Jesus came to stop us from judging others and let Him start the cleansing process. So nobody better not think that they are perfect. People better stop throwing up laws in one another faces and focus on getting themselve clean.
Luke 6:41“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
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Well to me its like this. Marriage is a commitment. But if there is a circumstance if either one cheats. Then either you can get a divorce or try to work it out. Now I am not to sure about if your girlfriend can divorce you if she finds out you cheated on her before you guys where married. I havent learned about that, because what I was told if your not married. Then I guess you can do anything you want whether its being a cheater or faithful in your relationships. But some people say otherwise.
It was already posted, the only issue is what it means. You are trying to say it didn't mean adultery. From what I am reading, Λογου πορνειας Can be reasonably translated to "On account of whoredom", which would easily include adultery.
(On an entirely unrelated note, Chrome doesn't recognize the word whoredom, and suggested I say you can only divorce "On account of boredom." ROFL!)
(On an entirely unrelated note, Chrome doesn't recognize the word whoredom, and suggested I say you can only divorce "On account of boredom." ROFL!)
In much of the Bible a person is married, as far as God is concerned, with the person they first have sex with.
That is why it all gets in a mess.
Because people who have sex before marriage are, in the eyes of God, already partnered with another.
This in not the case if rape is involved. There are few verses related to rape but they do exist.
But if a person 'sleeps around' before marriage they are sinful.
I did.
That does not make me any more or less wicked that other people here.
Marriage before God (even though I was an atheist at the time) is what is suuposed to have bound me.
But tbh - the thing that bound me to my wife most was my increased love for her - because I loved Christ and His Father, God.
I saw my wife in a different light - I don't assume any more and don't take for granted - I'm SO SO lucky. btw - she is a babe and I'm a munter
That is why it all gets in a mess.
Because people who have sex before marriage are, in the eyes of God, already partnered with another.
This in not the case if rape is involved. There are few verses related to rape but they do exist.
But if a person 'sleeps around' before marriage they are sinful.
I did.
That does not make me any more or less wicked that other people here.
Marriage before God (even though I was an atheist at the time) is what is suuposed to have bound me.
But tbh - the thing that bound me to my wife most was my increased love for her - because I loved Christ and His Father, God.
I saw my wife in a different light - I don't assume any more and don't take for granted - I'm SO SO lucky. btw - she is a babe and I'm a munter
It don't look like we are going to agree, but no problems.
I understand what you are saying about Λογου πορνειας (logos porneia)
In its strictest term, it is fornication (sex outside of marriage) but includes prostitution & actually used by God in regards to OT idolatry when His people fornicated with Idols (Outside the "marriage covenant" with Him.
Adultery is a little "forced" to be included in fornication (you: Λογου πορνειας ---> Can be reasonably translated to "On account of whoredom", ---> which would easily include adultery.) A little to far from the original meaning.
When Paul spoke in a few areas about the types of people that would not inherit the kingdom, adultery and fornication were separate on any such list he wrote down.
Why didn't Jesus say Adultery rather than fornication?
Look again: “I say to you,” he continued, “that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matt. 5:32)
In the bold writing above, the adultery had not yet happened, just fornication, the adultery is a possible consequence of the fornication if you read it.
But regardless, even the best commentaries such as Gill, Poole, Matthew Henry...etc cannot even agree, so we have both made out views clear now Bro
I understand what you are saying about Λογου πορνειας (logos porneia)
In its strictest term, it is fornication (sex outside of marriage) but includes prostitution & actually used by God in regards to OT idolatry when His people fornicated with Idols (Outside the "marriage covenant" with Him.
Adultery is a little "forced" to be included in fornication (you: Λογου πορνειας ---> Can be reasonably translated to "On account of whoredom", ---> which would easily include adultery.) A little to far from the original meaning.
When Paul spoke in a few areas about the types of people that would not inherit the kingdom, adultery and fornication were separate on any such list he wrote down.
Why didn't Jesus say Adultery rather than fornication?
Look again: “I say to you,” he continued, “that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” (Matt. 5:32)
In the bold writing above, the adultery had not yet happened, just fornication, the adultery is a possible consequence of the fornication if you read it.
But regardless, even the best commentaries such as Gill, Poole, Matthew Henry...etc cannot even agree, so we have both made out views clear now Bro