Who are the 144000 ?

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eternally-gratefull

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Oh, the prophecy has been fulfilled? Then I've better stop driving by the wheat fields looking for the sheaves coming to life. I just has a bad habit going by the letter.

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2 Corinthians 12:2

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

Numbers 12:6
And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
This is what I mean. Your trying to make a mountain out of a molehill instead of literally interpreting what was meant.



Did Josephs brothers bow down to him or not?

If they did not. Then the prophesy was not fulfilled

If they did, the prophesy literally came true.

Was nebachadnezzar (the first beast of Daniel) a literal beast?
 
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This is what I mean. Your trying to make a mountain out of a molehill instead of literally interpreting what was meant.



Did Josephs brothers bow down to him or not?

If they did not. Then the prophesy was not fulfilled

If they did, the prophesy literally came true.

Was Nebuchadnezzar (the first beast of Daniel) a literal beast?
In those times, God did turned him into a beast because everything was done in the natural in the old testament but still has a spiritual meaning behind it which people ignored. Now God has shown that the natural man cannot be redeemed. The Bible has been reproof to our present understanding. There was a physical kingdom and had a physical king and guardians, but they have all failed, and so now God isn't going to live in a kingdom that's built by human hands...... But the 144000 has a spiritual meaning behind it, and there isn't no one in His kingdom is consider a Jew or Greek, male and female, and etc.... But Hitler and his kingdom does referred people by their skin color, but not by their content of their character.

Did he prophesied?

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Jehovah's witnesses believe that only those people go to heaven. The rest of the good people stay on earth paradise.
Your kingdom come on earth as in heaven they say.
who are the 144000 and what Will happen to earth ?
Only God Almighty knows who 144000 are.

God bless
 
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In those times, God did turned him into a beast because everything was done in the natural in the old testament but still has a spiritual meaning behind it which people ignored. Now God has shown that the natural man cannot be redeemed. The Bible has been reproof to our present understanding. There was a physical kingdom and had a physical king and guardians, but they have all failed, and so now God isn't going to live in a kingdom that's built by human hands...... But the 144000 has a spiritual meaning behind it, and there isn't no one in His kingdom is consider a Jew or Greek, male and female, and etc.... But Hitler and his kingdom does referred people by their skin color, but not by their content of their character.

Did he prophesied?

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1. I find it amazing that even Josephs brothers understood the prophesy ([SUP]8 [/SUP]And his brothers said to him, “Shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.
2. I also find it amazing that the prophesy did come true, Just as the brothers understood it would happen.
3. And I find it even more amazing you are not looking at it. And trying to twist it to mean something else.


Most of daniels prophesies came true in the OT. And were not symbolic in nature.

Keep trying to twist things to fit your belief. The evidence points the other way.
 
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1. I find it amazing that even Josephs brothers understood the prophesy ([SUP]8 [/SUP]And his brothers said to him, “Shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.
2. I also find it amazing that the prophesy did come true, Just as the brothers understood it would happen.
3. And I find it even more amazing you are not looking at it. And trying to twist it to mean something else.


Most of daniels prophesies came true in the OT. And were not symbolic in nature.

Keep trying to twist things to fit your belief. The evidence points the other way.
1. I find it amazing that even Josephs brothers understood the prophesy

That is how they had talked to God in those times.


Genesis 9:24
When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him,

2. I also find it amazing that the prophesy did come true, Just as the brothers understood it would happen.

But they doesn't look like sheaves. So about the 144,000 isn't literally spoken, it's a spiritual meaning behind the images.

Keep trying to twist things to fit your belief. The evidence points the other way.

I call it, untwisting.


 
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eternally-gratefull

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1. I find it amazing that even Josephs brothers understood the prophesy

That is how they had talked to God in those times.


Genesis 9:24
When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him,

2. I also find it amazing that the prophesy did come true, Just as the brothers understood it would happen.

But they doesn't look like sheaves. So about the 144,000 isn't literally spoken, it's a spiritual meaning behind the images.

Keep trying to twist things to fit your belief. The evidence points the other way.

I call it, untwisting.



Untwisting what.

The prophesy did come true. The sheaves represented a truth in a dream.

A sheave as a symbol HUGELY different than literal people from literal tribes.

Thus your argument fails.

God did not say 144000 sheaves, 144000 animals 144000 plants, or other types of symbols God used. He said 144000 people from 12 literal tribes.

Thus you are still twisting.
 
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Untwisting what.

The prophesy did come true. The sheaves represented a truth in a dream.

A sheave as a symbol HUGELY different than literal people from literal tribes.

Thus your argument fails.

God did not say 144000 sheaves, 144000 animals 144000 plants, or other types of symbols God used. He said 144000 people from 12 literal tribes.

Thus you are still twisting.
The people that are in God's kingdom are call souls, there is no Greek nor Jews, Male or female, and so the tribes is a symbol for something else. Like a group that has perform a certain task, but not their nationality.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The people that are in God's kingdom are call souls, there is no Greek nor Jews, Male or female, and so the tribes is a symbol for something else. Like a group that has perform a certain task, but not their nationality.
Well thanks for your opinion. But I can not agree. He is not talking about what they became, he spoke of who they were before they became.

He said 12000 for each tribe of Israel. Thus take him at his word.

Or twist what he said, and have an opinion which goes against Gods word.

Again, He is talking about people who will enter the body of Christ. He said who they were, before they were saved, Not what they would become.
 
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The people that are in God's kingdom are call souls, there is no Greek nor Jews, Male or female, and so the tribes is a symbol for something else. Like a group that has perform a certain task, but not their nationality.
In general I would agree with you. It seems clear that these people are separated for a specific task in history. In the single instance of the 144k, it seems a bit too clear for me to turn it into a metaphor. Even in Revelation, the metaphors and figurative language are clarified or even fully interpreted within the text. This section however, does not relate to any other imagery or figurative language used in the book (in fact, not at all within the whole Bible).
I don't deny the possibility of the 144k being figurative, but I don't see how we can base any doctrine on it being figurative when it fits Scripture remaining literal.

As for there being no 'Jew or Greek', don't overextend what is being said. Obviously the terms Jew and Gentile are used in the Bible to identify groups of people within the Bible. By saying there is no separation, the author is stating that all receive the same salvation, not that God will never refer to anyone by their heritage.
Notice that you made claim to interpreting the Bible figuratively,but then take a single verse VERY literally.

I hope you see why referring to their lineage does not affect the unity of our salvation, or turn God into a racist. There is one salvation for all people, and that is in Christ.
 
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In general I would agree with you. It seems clear that these people are separated for a specific task in history. In the single instance of the 144k, it seems a bit too clear for me to turn it into a metaphor. Even in Revelation, the metaphors and figurative language are clarified or even fully interpreted within the text. This section however, does not relate to any other imagery or figurative language used in the book (in fact, not at all within the whole Bible).
I don't deny the possibility of the 144k being figurative, but I don't see how we can base any doctrine on it being figurative when it fits Scripture remaining literal.

As for there being no 'Jew or Greek', don't overextend what is being said. Obviously the terms Jew and Gentile are used in the Bible to identify groups of people within the Bible. By saying there is no separation, the author is stating that all receive the same salvation, not that God will never refer to anyone by their heritage.
Notice that you made claim to interpreting the Bible figuratively,but then take a single verse VERY literally.

I hope you see why referring to their lineage does not affect the unity of our salvation, or turn God into a racist. There is one salvation for all people, and that is in Christ.
I believe that the 144,000 are the Elders. The Elders jobs were to keep the teaching of the word of God, sound, and to make sure that there is no false teaching of His word being spread around. Each generations during the time when God's people had reigned, they had kept 70 elders that witnessed and oversee each generations. But during the time of Jesus, the Elders had became outcast because the people were in error and the people didn't like to be corrected. And which I believe that the Elders were called the Essenes during the time of Christ. And I believe that John was an Essene because he continue had kept the baptism ritual and which the Essenes were practicing at the time.

The Essenes (in Modern but not in Ancient Hebrew: אִסִּיִים, Isiyim; Greek: Εσσήνοι, Εσσαίοι, or Οσσαίοι, Essḗnoi, Essaíoi, Ossaíoi) were a sect of Second Temple Judaism that flourished from the 2nd century BCE to the 1st century CE which some scholars claim seceded from the Zadokite priests.[SUP][1][/SUP]Being much fewer in number than the Pharisees and the Sadducees (the other two major sects at the time), the Essenes lived in various cities but congregated in communal life dedicated to asceticism, voluntary poverty, daily immersion, and abstinence from worldly pleasures, including (for some groups) celibacy. Many separate but related religious groups of that era shared similar mystic, eschatological, messianic, and ascetic beliefs. These groups are collectively referred to by various scholars as the "Essenes." Josephus records that Essenes existed in large numbers, and thousands lived throughout Roman Judæa.
The Essenes have gained fame in modern times as a result of the discovery of an extensive group of religious documents known as the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are commonly believed to be Essenes' library—although there is no proof that the Essenes wrote them. These documents include preserved multiple copies of the Hebrew Bible untouched from as early as 300 BCE until their discovery in 1946. Some scholars, however, dispute the notion that the Essenes wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.[SUP][2][/SUP] Rachel Elior questions even the existence of the Essenes.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5]
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[/SUP]Matthew 19:12

For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
 
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What would be wrong with knowing that when God gives prophecies, God makes the specifics of how he carries those prophecies out clouded for us. God tells us specifically what we need to know. Numbers often have a spiritual meaning. Can't we just know to love the Lord, obey Him today, have absolute faith in Him, never argue about such as the 144,000 but just love our brothers and sisters in Christ, and let it go. Seems like a good plan to me.
 
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This is an honest answer from the Bible. The 144k have been chosen from among mankind to be co-rulers with Jesus in heaven. 1st 144,000 taken from earth: [TABLE="class: MainVerseTable"]


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[TD="class: VerseBody"]And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and
before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the
hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
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[TD="class: VerseHeader"]Re 5:9[/TD]

[TD="class: VerseBody"]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take
the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed
us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and
nation;[/TD]
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[TD="class: VerseBody"]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we
shall reign on the earth
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[TD="class: VerseHeader"]Re 20:6[/TD]

[TD="class: VerseBody"]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests
of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years
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Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth (Mat 5:5) quoting from the Psalms 37:11:But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
They would reside there forever: [TABLE="class: MainVerseTable"]


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[TD="class: VerseBody"]The upright will have the earth for their heritage, and will
go on living there for ever.
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You probably realize that Jesus in his instructional (Lord's) prayer he asks Jehovah for His Kingdom to come to earth Mat 6:10
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That would be cool if all 12 tribes were all Jews, but the reality is only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and half of the tribe of Levi are called "Jews". These are known as the House of Judah. The other tribes are known as the House of Israel. They are not Jews. When you understand this simple truth, your eyes will read and understand who is being spoken of.
I mis-spoke, they are from the House of Judah and the House of Israel. That is what I meant. The "lost" tribes are returning:

'Lost Tribe's' Return to Israel Fulfilling Prophecy? - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
 
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Rev.14 : 1 then i looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads..........vs. 4 these are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. they follow the Lamb wherever He goes. they were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. vs 5 no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

Jerusalem, and all who read this, Concerning the virgins that were not defiled with women of Rev.14.4, remember that Rev.17.3-5 shows mystery Babylon to be "a woman"; Next 1 Cor.7.32-34 shows Biblical virgins to be both male and female who love the Lord instead of a spouse. Gal.3.28 "for there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond or free, male or female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus".

Where Rev.15.3 says, the song of Moses will be sang WITH the song of the Lamb, Rev.14.3 says "and they sang AS THOUGH it were a new song, --and no man could learn that song but the 144000 which were redeemed from the earth". Deut.31.19 says, the song of Moses is to be sang as a witness AGAINST the children of Israel, that song beginning at Deut.32.1-44, and notice verse 8 says "When the most High divided the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel". Acts 17.26 agrees that is fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

Now notice that 2 Sam.24.1 with 1 Chron.21.1-7 shows numbering Israel was "the ANGER of the Lord kindled AGAINST Israel", and Ex.30.12 "when thou takest the SUM of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the Lord, --that there be no plague among them when thou numberest them". Now that the Lamb of God has become the ransom for all, and numbering Israel reflects God's anger, scripture does not support that the 144000 is the physical number of those redeemed from the earth.
It would thereefore be a spiritual number, if not, what?

Now all we need to do is find out just what the "guile" is that Rev.14.5 says is not found in the mouths of those virgins. Consider this; James 3.2 says "for in many thing we offend all, if any man offend not in WORD, the same is a perfect man, and able to bridle the whole body". Now consider that mystery Babylon(Rev.17.3) has the NAMES of blasphemy. The only place in scripture that defines those names is Psalms. Read. Ps.74.4 with Gen.1.14 then research the names of the months and days in the common calendar, then read Ps.74.3-22, Gal.4.8-10, Ps.142.3 with Luke 21.35-36, Ps.124.7.

Looking at Luke 19.44 as spiritual Jerusalem(Jn.4.21-24), there shall not be left one stone upon another(1 Pet.2.5) BECAUSE YE KNEW NOT THE TIME OF VISITATION".

God's grace to all who read this

Morninglory
 
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Watch this...
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Guys, in future life there are (as Church teaches) different levels of beatifications = different styles of eternal life. There are Heavenly Kingdome and the new earth and New Jerusalem, and all those places are not the same, BUT DIFFFERENT.

Not only 144 000 will be saved. But it is number of remainder of Israel - capacity of jews which will accept Christianity from Enoch and Elajah global witnessying.

Speaking easily 144 000 is squade of Jesus elite guards. Those last who will become first. They are pride of lions, which will be gathered for Lord by their bloodthirsty fired overlord - Elijah.

But, folks, before envy them, think how terrible will be the way of those hebrew boys. The will go against own families, they will be scorned outlaws (and even terrorists) in eyes of all who loved them. They will be deprived from any property. They will be in the same poverty as their chief - Elijah prophet. And their commander (Elijah) is not kind but severe and murderous chieftain, who will send them to death and who will teach them to scorn everything in the world for sake of Our Lord.
Almost all of them will be murdered taking the best martyr's vestments (for the feast).

Through such way of deprivations and blood and martyrdom they will be becoming the chosen remainder.
And we (christians) should love them as brothers, for they are destined by Lord Jesus Christ to become His guardsmen in future life.
 
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The 144,000 are the Jewish people who will be preaching the gospel during the tribulation!
 
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Well that number as found in Revelation does not represent false J.W's and if you will take a piece of paper and write down all the facts listed where the 144,000 are listed you will have around a dozen or so facts which identify who they are, what physical locations that they are associated with, unique characteristics that are applied unto this unique group and a very interesting possibility of who they were (past tense) as well as who they are (present tense)
 
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The 144000 are evangelists during the tribulation period. God choses 12000 from each tribe of Israel, And sends them into the world to spread the gospel.

Take God literally at what he says, don;t try to read things into it which are not there.

Ha, ha , ha ,ha, that is really funny. You tell everyone to take God literally. So, tell me, where in the Bible does it say the 144,000 are evangelists whom God sends to spread the Gospel. Please, give me one verse. No, the 144,000 are the Manchild.

The story of Ruth is a prophetic picture of the redemption of the Church and Israel during the Tribulation. Ruth is the Gentile Bride. Ruth and Naomi are types of the Church and Israel under Great Tribulation. They have lost their Husbands and have come to Bethlehem, the House of Bread, during a famine of the Word (Amos 8:1). There affliction during the Barley and Wheat Harvest foreshadows the Tribulation and the Harvest at the end of the Age. Most of the world's population will be reaped as casualties of war, famine, plague and persecution. Orphan who deserts Naomi an returns to Moab is a picture of the Apostasy of the Church during the Tribulation. Ruth gleans in the fields of Boaz, a type of Christ, and blesses Naomi with her harvest, just as the Church will bless Israel with its harvest of 144,000. Ruth and Boaz meet on the threshing floor, a type of the Rapture, at the end of the Harvest, and Boaz agrees to marry her if her nearer kinsman will not. The nearer kinsman, fleshly Adam cannot marry her. The price of redemption would be his own life, which would "mar" his inheritance. The Ten Witnesses at the Gate, the Ten Commandments, testify against Adam. Boaz marries Ruth and Ruth, as a type of the Woman Clothed with the Sun, gives birth to Obed, a type of the Manchild, the 144,000. At His First Coming, Jesus cursed the Fig Tree and said it would never bear Fruit again. The Kingdom was given to another that would bear Fruit. The Church will bear Fruit for Israel just a Ruth bore Fruit for Naomi.
Benjamin is a type of the 144,000. Paul tells us Jesus first appeared to Peter and the Twelve. Afterward He appeared to more than 500. Then He appeared to James, and lastly of all to Paul, as to one born prematurely. Why prematurely? Because Paul is a type of the Tribe of Benjamin. Paul is a Hebrew of Hebrews, of the Tribe of Benjamin, a Pharisee and a persecutor of the Church. He is Circumcised of the Eighth Day, after the Tribulation. Jesus first appears to Peter and the Twelve at His First Coming. The Twelve took the Gospel to the Gentiles, just a the Twelve fed the 5000. The Twelve baskets of Bread that were left over from the years of plenty will be used to feed the 144,000 during the years of famine. The Church will feed the 144,000 this Bread during the Tribulation and will bring in a Harvest of Israel, just as the salvation of Benjamin during Joseph's years of famine brought salvation to "all Israel," to Jacob and his family.
There will be no PreTribulation Rapture. The Church has too much work to do to be taken out of the world. The Church is an instrument to bring salvation to Israel.
The Ethiopian Eunuch is a type of Israel, the 144,000, who cannot bear Fruit. Phillip is a type of the Church. The Church will give the 144,000 an understanding of the Scriptures and the identity of the Messiah. The Church will be raptured when Israel's eyes are opened, just as Phillip is raptured when the Eunuch finally sees.
John, a type of the 144,000 and Peter, a type of the Church are in a Boat on the Sea of Galilee, a type of the Tribulation. Jesus is of the shore, and when John recognizes Jesus, Peter, who has removed his outer garment of righteousness because of the Apostasy, puts is back on and he is raptured while the rest row to shore. They partake of the Wedding Feast, a breakfast.
The Church was Betrothed to Christ at Passover, when she was born out of His side. Jesus promised to return for His Bride. At Mount Sinai, on Pentecost, God married Israel under the Cloud, a type of chuppah. At Mount Zion, on Pentecost, God married the Church and began implanting His Seed, the Holy Spirit, into His Bride. In ancient Israel when a couple were married, they entered the chuppah to consummate the wedding. The Veil is removed when the wedding is consummated. Paul tells us that when one turns to the Lord, the Veil is removed. Jesus has been marrying His Bride and consummating the marriage for nearly two thousand years, as each believer receives the Holy Spirit. Through the Labor Pains of the great Tribulation, The Bride, the heavenly Woman Cloth with the Sun, will give birth to her Children, the 144,000 from all the Tribes of Israel. The Church must experience her Labor Pains in order to bear Fruit.
 
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Ha, ha , ha ,ha, that is really funny. You tell everyone to take God literally. So, tell me, where in the Bible does it say the 144,000 are evangelists whom God sends to spread the Gospel. Please, give me one verse. No, the 144,000 are the Manchild.

The story of Ruth is a prophetic picture of the redemption of the Church and Israel during the Tribulation. Ruth is the Gentile Bride. Ruth and Naomi are types of the Church and Israel under Great Tribulation. They have lost their Husbands and have come to Bethlehem, the House of Bread, during a famine of the Word (Amos 8:1). There affliction during the Barley and Wheat Harvest foreshadows the Tribulation and the Harvest at the end of the Age. Most of the world's population will be reaped as casualties of war, famine, plague and persecution. Orphan who deserts Naomi an returns to Moab is a picture of the Apostasy of the Church during the Tribulation. Ruth gleans in the fields of Boaz, a type of Christ, and blesses Naomi with her harvest, just as the Church will bless Israel with its harvest of 144,000. Ruth and Boaz meet on the threshing floor, a type of the Rapture, at the end of the Harvest, and Boaz agrees to marry her if her nearer kinsman will not. The nearer kinsman, fleshly Adam cannot marry her. The price of redemption would be his own life, which would "mar" his inheritance. The Ten Witnesses at the Gate, the Ten Commandments, testify against Adam. Boaz marries Ruth and Ruth, as a type of the Woman Clothed with the Sun, gives birth to Obed, a type of the Manchild, the 144,000. At His First Coming, Jesus cursed the Fig Tree and said it would never bear Fruit again. The Kingdom was given to another that would bear Fruit. The Church will bear Fruit for Israel just a Ruth bore Fruit for Naomi.
Benjamin is a type of the 144,000. Paul tells us Jesus first appeared to Peter and the Twelve. Afterward He appeared to more than 500. Then He appeared to James, and lastly of all to Paul, as to one born prematurely. Why prematurely? Because Paul is a type of the Tribe of Benjamin. Paul is a Hebrew of Hebrews, of the Tribe of Benjamin, a Pharisee and a persecutor of the Church. He is Circumcised of the Eighth Day, after the Tribulation. Jesus first appears to Peter and the Twelve at His First Coming. The Twelve took the Gospel to the Gentiles, just a the Twelve fed the 5000. The Twelve baskets of Bread that were left over from the years of plenty will be used to feed the 144,000 during the years of famine. The Church will feed the 144,000 this Bread during the Tribulation and will bring in a Harvest of Israel, just as the salvation of Benjamin during Joseph's years of famine brought salvation to "all Israel," to Jacob and his family.
There will be no PreTribulation Rapture. The Church has too much work to do to be taken out of the world. The Church is an instrument to bring salvation to Israel.
The Ethiopian Eunuch is a type of Israel, the 144,000, who cannot bear Fruit. Phillip is a type of the Church. The Church will give the 144,000 an understanding of the Scriptures and the identity of the Messiah. The Church will be raptured when Israel's eyes are opened, just as Phillip is raptured when the Eunuch finally sees.
John, a type of the 144,000 and Peter, a type of the Church are in a Boat on the Sea of Galilee, a type of the Tribulation. Jesus is of the shore, and when John recognizes Jesus, Peter, who has removed his outer garment of righteousness because of the Apostasy, puts is back on and he is raptured while the rest row to shore. They partake of the Wedding Feast, a breakfast.
The Church was Betrothed to Christ at Passover, when she was born out of His side. Jesus promised to return for His Bride. At Mount Sinai, on Pentecost, God married Israel under the Cloud, a type of chuppah. At Mount Zion, on Pentecost, God married the Church and began implanting His Seed, the Holy Spirit, into His Bride. In ancient Israel when a couple were married, they entered the chuppah to consummate the wedding. The Veil is removed when the wedding is consummated. Paul tells us that when one turns to the Lord, the Veil is removed. Jesus has been marrying His Bride and consummating the marriage for nearly two thousand years, as each believer receives the Holy Spirit. Through the Labor Pains of the great Tribulation, The Bride, the heavenly Woman Cloth with the Sun, will give birth to her Children, the 144,000 from all the Tribes of Israel. The Church must experience her Labor Pains in order to bear Fruit.
Your another one prepped and preened by its master! You will be another shining star in the coming global harlot ! Wow .. Couple on here that the light bearer has prepped very well. Your work will be weedy come Daniels 70th week. Indeed! Carry on wayward son!