Cessationism or Continuationism: What Does Scripture Say?

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Do You Believe Spiritual Gifts Sill Exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 83.3%
  • No

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 7.1%

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NiceneCreed

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1 Corinthians 12:8-10lists 9 spiritual gifts, to include the utterance of wisdom, the utterance ofknowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, speakingin tongues, and the interpretation of tongues. These gifts are given to members of the Body of Christ (Christians)through The Holy Spirit. The spiritualgifts are for the uplifting and edifying of the church; essentially they are abenediction that God bestows upon believers. Paul affirms this truth by stating, “Now to each one the manifestationof the Spirit is given for the common good” (1 Cor 12:7). All of these gifts come from the same Spirit,for “Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts formone body, so it is with Christ (1 Cor 12:12).

Spiritual gifts are of theutmost importance for the fortification of the church, and they are anextension of The Holy Spirit, who works through us. Yet they are not a reflection of spiritualmaturity, simply because one exercises them. There is often an unclear distinction between one who possesses Fruit ofthe Spirit and one who employs a spiritual gift. The Fruit of the Spirit is a reflection of thecooperative relationship a Christian shares with God, through The Holy Spirit,and it is more commonly found among mature Christians, as opposed to Christiansyoung in their faith. Paul states, “Butthe fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness,faithfulness” (Galatians 5:22). Whileyoung Christians can and do possess some qualities of the Fruit of the Spirit,they typically need time to let their Fruit grow and strengthen, whereasspiritual gifts are common among most, if not all Christians, regardless oftheir spiritual maturity.

One of the most recognizablespiritual gifts among believers and non-believers alike is the gift of speakingin tongues. Speaking in tongues is theact of speaking in an unlearned language, and it is used publicly tocommunicate God’s message to people of different languages, and, also, to speakdirectly with God in private. Thegreatest example of speaking in tongues can be found in the Book of Acts,chapter 2:1-11, on the day of Pentecost, when the people were baptized in TheHoly Spirit.

Baptism of The HolySpirit occurs when we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. In turn, a Christian dies to the flesh and isresurrected in Christ upon their conversion. Spiritual baptism is an inward change, which produces positive outwardresults for God’s glory, and it is beneficial for preaching the Gospels. Jesus says, “But you will receive power whenthe Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and inall Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth” (Acts 1:8). Yet some Christians believe one has not trulyreceived the Holy Spirit, if you do not speak in tongues. Paul clearly states in 1 Corinthians 12:4, that“there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.” Therefore, speaking in tongues is not a signof spirituality, nor is it more important than any other spiritual gift. The only evidence of receiving the HolySpirit, is confessing that “Jesus is Lord” (1 Cor 12:3). To determine whether or not speaking intongues still occurs, we must take the views of ‘Cessationism’ and ‘Continuationism’and compare them to Scripture.
‘Cessationism’ is thebelief that spiritual gifts and miracles ceased at the end of the first centurychurch, or upon completion of the Bible. Some would argue that Paul teaches ‘Cessationism’ when he says, “Lovenever fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there aretongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will passaway. For we know in part and weprophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears” (1Cor 13:8-10). However it is important toexamine the word “completeness” in its context. It is evident Paul associates the term with the second coming ofChrist. So Scripture may actually bemore supportive of the ‘Continuationst’ claim. ‘Continuationism’ is the belief that we still possess spiritual gifts tothis day, and Jesus supports this view when He says, “But the Advocate, theHoly Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all thingsand will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). Yet it could be argued Jesus was speakingdirectly to His disciples, and, thus, this teaching would not apply to ustoday. These differing views have leftme with many more questions than answers, but I have concluded regardless ofwhether you support ‘Cessationism’ or ‘Continuationism,’ in the end, spiritualgifts are only secondary; what is most important is that we have God’s love.

Please note that I am only expressing my personal views and I am open to differing opinions. Feel free to express your views on the topic of 'Cessationism' and 'Continuationism' and whether or not you feel speaking in tongues is a requirement or evidence of salvation.

 
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OwenHeidenreich

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i know they exist in any believer. they are not for a select few. any person who walks in love and carries his cross and follows love and lives in love. you will get 1 or more spiritual gifts depending on when the spirit gives it to you.

im only 15 and while im still a sinner he has healed about 8 people AT My school!! praise god

SEEK THEM EARNESTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
 

zone

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cessationism is Biblical and obvious.
 

JaumeJ

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The temporal gifts of the Holy Spirit, that is those which are in use in this age, will pass when that which is perfect has come, that would be the Kingdom of Yahweh.

Until then, we will receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit according to Him, as the 15 year old has well indicated.

 

RickyZ

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cessationism is Biblical and obvious.
Ah, still holding tight to that "God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, except today is not the same as yesterday" doctrine.

Still claiming that cars died out in the 50's while they whiz by around you.

Still claiming the Holy Spirit's powers were short and temporary.

Hey! Good to banter with you again!
 

RickyZ

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If a 'cessationalist' is a part of or witness to a miraculous healing, then s/he
has witnessed a gift of the Holy Spirit. So the question is why does s/he not
recognize or acknowlege it as a gift of the Spirit? I think a lot of it has to
do with image. The 'working of the gifts' has been hijacked by the babble and
act stupid crowd, and they don't want to be associated with that. And I can't
blame them. I'm a functionalist, and I don't want to associate with them
either. But yeah, I've known 'cessationalists' who have given a gift of the
Spirit, and turned right around and said oh that wasn't what Paul was talking
about.



But oh yes it was.



 

zone

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Ah, still holding tight to that "God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, except today is not the same as yesterday" doctrine.
i have never once made that claim.

Still claiming that cars died out in the 50's while they whiz by around you.
never made that claim either.
is that your best argument for gibbering in glossolalia and calling it Acts 2?

Still claiming the Holy Spirit's powers were short and temporary.
have never claimed this blasphemy about the Holy Spirit - Who is All Powerful God.
why do continuationists have to resort to sandbox fake-illustrations while attributing them to others?

please bring forward evidence of anyone today being a prophet or apostle or speaking languages they didn't learn.
if you can't....why keep pretending you can?

Hey! Good to banter with you again!
ditto
 

RickyZ

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By claiming the gifts have ceased you say that something of God and the Holy Spirit has changed. And lots of people have brought forth evidence and experience but you continue to ignore them (like the cars whizzing by). And if the long winded versions haven't been accepted in the past, forgive me if I don't spend the time re-iterating them and summarize instead.
 
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Abiding

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Id rekon cessationists claim God does miracles and wonders all the time
they just dont jump around saying i have a gift i have a gift...look at me!

" And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?"
 
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enoch1nine

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If you don't have a spiritual gift, I'd say cessationism is biblical for you.
If you do have a spiritual gift, I'd say continuationism is biblical for you.

Jesus said his disciples would do His works, and He told us to wait in the city, Jerusalem, a state of peace, until we are clothed with power from on high.
Those statements can free a person from the self-torture of thinking "I must not have enough faith", because there is also an external trigger.
 
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Grey

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Gobdygook I have spoken in tounges! Do you see Zones point?
 

RickyZ

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Id rekon cessationists claim God does miracles and wonders all the time
they just dont jump around saying i have a gift i have a gift...look at me!QUOTE]

Very well put and a good point, but some do jump around saying "there are no gifts there are no gifts" despite their experience to the contrary.
 
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Abiding

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Id rekon cessationists claim God does miracles and wonders all the time
they just dont jump around saying i have a gift i have a gift...look at me!QUOTE]

Very well put and a good point, but some do jump around saying "there are no gifts there are no gifts" despite their experience to the contrary.
True...but not completely true...all cessationists know all believers are given gifts.
Some hear gift and nearly always think speaking in tongues. Yet there are so many more
than what the bible calls manifestations. Thats what 1 cor13 is about, but its as if few
understand its intent between ch 12 and 14. I dont mean v8 i mean the whole chapter.

Just as much as most tongues/prophecy are fake these days....so is your view of zone.
Even like your slander...ie "there are no gifts there are no gifts" which she doesnt say, ever.

Even if shes a tad off, can you blame her? do you think the charismatic crowd will police their own group?
Keep out the winds of doctrine, the abuses, the fake, the demonic? No! they dont and wont.
Why is that?
 
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Even if shes a tad off, can you blame her? do you think the charismatic crowd will police their own group?
Keep out the winds of doctrine, the abuses, the fake, the demonic? No! they dont and wont.
Why is that?
Therein lies the $64,000 question,if they don't and won't is it possible they themselves can not tell the difference between the real and the fake? It should make one wonder.
 
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Mark Driscoll in his 3rd part of his church's' series on acts talks about this - cessation-ism - is true, just not the time they give - when the Perfect comes - Jesus - there will be no need.

If you free in Christ, then your free indeed - you don't have to perform for Him, or think your special for Him to love you, we all receive the double-portion as joint heirs in Christ. It is the Holy Spirit who gives the gifts, if you manifest it yourself - it's not from God
 

zone

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By claiming the gifts have ceased you say that something of God and the Holy Spirit has changed. And lots of people have brought forth evidence and experience but you continue to ignore them (like the cars whizzing by). And if the long winded versions haven't been accepted in the past, forgive me if I don't spend the time re-iterating them and summarize instead.
hi ricky.
the gifts ceased 1900 years ago.
i have no idea what yàll practice.

got NOTHING to do with the Holy Spirit.
zero.

id repent and flee.
 

zone

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By claiming the gifts have ceased you say that something of God and the Holy Spirit has changed. And lots of people have brought forth evidence and experience but you continue to ignore them (like the cars whizzing by). And if the long winded versions haven't been accepted in the past, forgive me if I don't spend the time re-iterating them and summarize instead.
did YHVH part the Red Sea for you today.

if not something changed.

you figure it out
 
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Abiding

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Youd think after 100 times people used the Verse "God doesnt change" or "Jesus Christ is the same ....."
They would get around to sitting down and study what it means....and then discover that they use
it as much a silly and contradictory way that it sounds as silly as "dont put God in a box"


"dont put God in a box" <------------------Satan love that line....yup get ready for something "new" folks.

dont question it or hold it to scripture..."dont put God in a box"
 
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GreenNnice

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squirrelabiding , who do you know that shouts 'I have a gift ! I have a gift ! ' and is a continuantionist. Pure-play continuationists merely see God's work in them, they do not shout to the world about it, au contraire, God uses them silently to upbuild their church members.

And, it's mockery, even, to say continuationists are boasting of their gifts, right? The Holy Spirit IS the gift, and, He works through us manifestations of Himself to do things for His good will and pleasure (1 Cor. 12:6) :)

Christ alone. In Christ alone. Paul says it best, when in 1 Cor. 1 he states, "If I am to boast, I will boast in the Lord.'

Any other boasting is self-righteousness, really, wouldn't you agree with that, buddyolerodent ?

Note: squirrel knows I am just being technical with him, a 'squirrel' is in the rodent family :) I love squirrels, they are so cute and busy-tailed, and, if you corner 'em they'll lash out at you and they do have sharp claws and have you ever seen a squirrels teeth ! :D
 
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please bring forward evidence of anyone today being a prophet or apostle or speaking languages they didn't learn.
if you can't....why keep pretending you can?
Until we define what evidence would prove either, we cannot move forward. All that I've heard so far has been tentative.