Are demons really fallen angels?

[danschance]

There is one thing Jesus said that is very telling. He said demons when they do not inhabit flesh, wander thru arid places not finding any rest. They find comfort being inside a body, animal or human. This seems to shed some light on the theory that they came from the Nephilim. Unfortunately, it is suggestive evidence, not conclusive evidence.

 

[Shiloah]

But this just doesn't seem to work, the concept that demons are also fallen angels? Again and again, who are those fallen angels chained in Tartorus if demons are on earth possessing people?

 

[Shiloah]

demons are not fallen angels. these two are very different beings. demons are earthbound while fallen angels are heavenbound. fallen angels have bodies while demons seek bodies. angels don't have to possess bodies while demons need to seek and possess bodies. demons can only walk on earth while fallen angels dwell in the heavenly(they rarely visit on earth for a mission). These two different being should be identified when a believer engage in spiritual warfare. You can't cast out a fallen angel from anybody because they don't need to possess a body,they have their own spiritual body.

Well I don't think fallen angels are in the heavenly right now. Are they? But your assertion is interesting about how demons seem to need to possess bodies or want to, at least.

 

[Shiloah]

What does chained and imprisoned mean? We know that these fallen angels cannot return to the place where God dwells, because they cannot cross over the blood of Jesus that cleansed the heavens, (or 3rd heaven). This is why in Rev ch 12 it says,......they were cast out of heaven and no more place was found for them there...; because Jesus as the High Priest cleansed the Holy Place with Has blood. They were cast to the earth with the Dragon and they have no other place to go. These fallen angels are Satan's Army, we are told by Paul, .......... that we do not fight against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places....the rulers of darkness.....spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places..... So where are they chained or imprisoned now? They are the rulers of the darkness of this present age. This is where they are imprisoned until they the time of their judgement. Not to say that there are not some imprisoned some place else also, I do not know.

It says in Jude that the "angels that sinned" are specifically chained in Tartarus.

 

[danschance]

But this just doesn't seem to work, the concept that demons are also fallen angels? Again and again, who are those fallen angels chained in Tartorus if demons are on earth possessing people?

The fallen angels in the spirit prison called Tartarus are some angels which practiced lawlessness. This shows that even now, God has set rules by which fallen angels and demons must obey or be sent to the spirit prison.

 

[Shiloah]

The fallen angels in the spirit prison called Tartarus are some angels which practiced lawlessness. This shows that even now, God has set rules by which fallen angels and demons must obey or be sent to the spirit prison.

Spirit prison? They're in a literal prison, as in material prison right now? I'm just thinking they must be different somehow, the demons that went into those pigs and the fallen angels chained in Tartarus.

 

[danschance]

Not all angels went to Tartarus. Satan is still referred to as the god of this world, so he must still be here. An angel told Daniel that he was delayed by the prince of persia. The prince of persia is no doubt a fallen angel. Clearly not all angels were imprisoned together. Only the demons that acted in a lawless manner became imprisoned. The prison is described as being pits of darkness.

 

[Shiloah]

Not all angels went to Tartarus. Satan is still referred to as the god of this world, so he must still be here. An angel told Daniel that he was delayed by the prince of persia. The prince of persia is no doubt a fallen angel. Clearly not all angels were imprisoned together. Only the demons that acted in a lawless manner became imprisoned. The prison is described as being pits of darkness.

Well that's true about that prince of Persia, but the angels in Tartarus are still said to be angels, which brings us back to the question again of whether or not angels and demons are the same thing.

 

[danschance]

exxxxxxxxactly.

 

[Shiloah]

exxxxxxxxactly.

And you think you've got this figured out?

 

[Laodicea]

Not all angels went to Tartarus. Satan is still referred to as the god of this world, so he must still be here. An angel told Daniel that he was delayed by the prince of persia. The prince of persia is no doubt a fallen angel. Clearly not all angels were imprisoned together. Only the demons that acted in a lawless manner became imprisoned. The prison is described as being pits of darkness.

Can you prove from the Bible that the prince of Persia is a fallen angel?

 

[Laodicea]

Revelation 12:7-9 KJV
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


As the word demon is not found in the KJV the fallen angles are evil spirits. The angels in heaven are said to be ministering spirits
Hebrews 1:14 KJV(14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

So angels are either evil spirits or ministering spirits.

 

[danschance]

Can you prove from the Bible that the prince of Persia is a fallen angel?

The scripture is ambiguous. Even so, there is enough there to draw some conclusions but that proof is not absolute.

12Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words.13“But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:12-13

Daniel had been praying for 21 days with out an answer. An angel does show up but tells Daniel he was delayed by the Prince of Persia. Our first clue is that humans can not delay angels. (Eph. 6) Our second clue is how he describes being left alone by himself to contend with this "prince" by yet another "prince". The prince that comes to this angel is Michael. I believe this is the archangel Michael, though this can not be proven without a doubt.

 

[Laodicea]

The scripture is ambiguous. Even so, there is enough there to draw some conclusions but that proof is not absolute.





Daniel had been praying for 21 days with out an answer. An angel does show up but tells Daniel he was delayed by the Prince of Persia. Our first clue is that humans can not delay angels. (Eph. 6) Our second clue is how he describes being left alone by himself to contend with this "prince" by yet another "prince". The prince that comes to this angel is Michael. I believe this is the archangel Michael, though this can not be proven without a doubt.

Did not Jacob, wrestle with an angel? How can a man hold an angel? By prayer and faith.
Genesis 32:26 KJV
(26) And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. (faith)
Genesis 32:28 KJV
(28) And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Also it is possible that the prince of Persia was preventing an answer to prayer.

 

[danschance]

Did not Jacob, wrestle with an angel? How can a man hold an angel? By prayer and faith.
Genesis 32:26 KJV
(26) And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. (faith)
Genesis 32:28 KJV
(28) And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Also it is possible that the prince of Persia was preventing an answer to prayer.

Not exactly true. Jacob said he wrestled with God. This angel was more than likely Jesus Himself. One angel killed thousands of men. So clearly an angel could easily win a simple wrestling match.

 

[Laodicea]

Not exactly true. Jacob said he wrestled with God. This angel was more than likely Jesus Himself. One angel killed thousands of men. So clearly an angel could easily win a simple wrestling match.

The fact Jacob did wrestle with Christ who is God is even more proof of the power of prayer and faith and that Daniel 10 shows the spiritual battle of prayer and faith not a battle between good and evil angels.

 

[danschance]

The fact Jacob did wrestle with Christ who is God is even more proof of the power of prayer and faith and that Daniel 10 shows the spiritual battle of prayer and faith not a battle between good and evil angels.

Interesting how you changed your tune. At first you said:

Did not Jacob, wrestle with an angel? How can a man hold an angel?

Now you are extolling the importance of prayer, over the same verses. Interesting.

 

[FIRE_of_ELIJAH]

Well I don't think fallen angels are in the heavenly right now. Are they? YOU ARE WRONG !!You need to study more about the Bible. There are 1/3 of angels under lucifer's dominion. In Human numbers,it would be innumerable of fallen angels. Some of them are imprisoned(Tartarus) in the underworld. The majority of them are in the heavenly. Apostles paul reminded us in ephesian 6:12 that we are not fighting against physical flesh but in the heavenly where fallen angels dwell. Only the Angels who had slept with women,who later on produced giants, are in the tartarus right now.
[h=3]2 Peter 2:4-5[/h]4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;

Have you noticed in verse 5,how God spared noah and the seven others?because they were the only human family that carried the pure adamic blood at that time, and the rests, who were not spared at the flood, were human that mixed with angelic seed. God found noah being righteous and perfect in His sight,meaning he's not mixed with angelic seed. The main reason why God destroyed the whole humanity ,except noah's family, is because humanity were no longer pure but mixed with fallen angels. This was the failured plan of satan just to block the coming of the messiah(Jesus Christ). Satan knew that the promised seed ,who would destroy him, would be from a woman(Gen.3:15). So He pollutes the daughter of men on earth by commanding some of his fallen angels to sleep with them and later produced giants etc.. (Gen.6:1-2). THE MESSIAH has to be born from pure adamic bloodline without any mix.

I encourage you study "the 5 world below us" and "5 divisions of angels" and also 5 divisions of satanic kingdom. It can be explained biblically. As believer it's a must.

God bless you sister....

 

[Laodicea]

Interesting how you changed your tune. At first you said:



Now you are extolling the importance of prayer, over the same verses. Interesting.

The fact is that Daniel 10 says "the prince of the kingdom of Persia" But by your opinion you are making it say something it does not.

 

[NiceneCreed]

Question: "Are demons fallen angels?"

Answer: When exactly God created angels is open for debate, but what is known for sure is that God created everything good because God, in His holiness, cannot create something sinful. So when Satan, who was once the angel Lucifer, rebelled against God and fell from heaven (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28), one third of the angelic host joined his insurrection (Revelation 12:3-4,9). There is no doubt these fallen angels are now known as the demons.

We know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, according to Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” Jesus, by using the possessive word his makes it clear that these angels belong to Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-times angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels." From these and similar verses, it is clear that demons and fallen angels are synonymous.

Some reject the idea that the demons are the fallen angels due to the fact that Jude verse 6 declares the angels who sinned to be "bound with everlasting chains." However, it is clear that not all of the angels who sinned are "bound," as Satan is still free (1 Peter 5:8). Why would God imprison the rest of the fallen angels, but allow the leader of the rebellion to remain free? It seems that Jude verse 6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way, likely the "sons of God" incident in Genesis chapter 6.

The most common alternate explanation for the origin of the demons is that when the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were destroyed in the Flood, their disembodied souls became the demons. While the Bible does not specifically say what happened to the souls of the Nephilim when they were killed, it is unlikely that God would destroy the Nephilim in the Flood only to allow their souls to cause even greater evil as the demons. The most biblically consistent explanation for the origin of the demons is that they are the fallen angels, the angels who rebelled against God with Satan.

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Right on!

Grace and Peace!