Are demons really fallen angels?

[NiceneCreed]

Well I don't think fallen angels are in the heavenly right now. Are they? YOU ARE WRONG !!You need to study more about the Bible. There are 1/3 of angels under lucifer's dominion. In Human numbers,it would be innumerable of fallen angels. Some of them are imprisoned(Tartarus) in the underworld. The majority of them are in the heavenly. Apostles paul reminded us in ephesian 6:12 that we are not fighting against physical flesh but in the heavenly where fallen angels dwell. Only the Angels who had slept with women,who later on produced giants, are in the tartarus right now.
2 Peter 2:4-5

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment;5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;

Have you noticed in verse 5,how God spared noah and the seven others?because they were the only human family that carried the pure adamic blood at that time, and the rests, who were not spared at the flood, were human that mixed with angelic seed. God found noah being righteous and perfect in His sight,meaning he's not mixed with angelic seed. The main reason why God destroyed the whole humanity ,except noah's family, is because humanity were no longer pure but mixed with fallen angels. This was the failured plan of satan just to block the coming of the messiah(Jesus Christ). Satan knew that the promised seed ,who would destroy him, would be from a woman(Gen.3:15). So He pollutes the daughter of men on earth by commanding some of his fallen angels to sleep with them and later produced giants etc.. (Gen.6:1-2). THE MESSIAH has to be born from pure adamic bloodline without any mix.

I encourage you study "the 5 world below us" and "5 divisions of angels" and also 5 divisions of satanic kingdom. It can be explained biblically. As believer it's a must.

God bless you sister....

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him" (Revelation 12:7-9, New International Version, 2011).

I appreciate your zeal for seeking the truth of God's Word, but how do you explain these verses? Revelation 12:7-9 clearly states Satan's angels fell to earth with him and that they did not remain in heaven. Why would you think angels who rebelled against God are still in heaven, and what part of Scripture do you use to support that notion? Can you provide me with a specific passage of Scripture to confirm your position?

Grace and Peace!

 

[MaggieMye]

Demons are spiritual creatures...evil spirits. Angels are ANGELS. Nowhere in scripture does one read that the angels that defied God and followed Lucifer TURNED INTO demons. Nowhere. Demons, because they are spirits, cannot be killed. They can be cast out, HOWEVER, they also have the ability to COME BACK if the person they were cast out of does not fill themselves up with the word of God.
Maggie

 

[Laodicea]

Demons are spiritual creatures...evil spirits. Angels are ANGELS. Nowhere in scripture does one read that the angels that defied God and followed Lucifer TURNED INTO demons. Nowhere. Demons, because they are spirits, cannot be killed. They can be cast out, HOWEVER, they also have the ability to COME BACK if the person they were cast out of does not fill themselves up with the word of God.
Maggie

The word demon is not found in the KJV. But evil spirits or devils which are fallen angels.

 

[danschance]

The fact is that Daniel 10 says "the prince of the kingdom of Persia" But by your opinion you are making it say something it does not.

The Prince of Persia is a territorial spirit.

 

[Laodicea]

The Prince of Persia is a territorial spirit.

That is just an opinion that has no Biblical standing. Therefore has no meaning.

 

[Shiloah]

Well I don't think fallen angels are in the heavenly right now. Are they? YOU ARE WRONG !!You need to study more about the Bible. There are 1/3 of angels under lucifer's dominion. In Human numbers,it would be innumerable of fallen angels. Some of them are imprisoned(Tartarus) in the underworld. The majority of them are in the heavenly. Apostles paul reminded us in ephesian 6:12 that we are not fighting against physical flesh but in the heavenly where fallen angels dwell. Only the Angels who had slept with women,who later on produced giants, are in the tartarus right now.
2 Peter 2:4-5

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment;5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;

Have you noticed in verse 5,how God spared noah and the seven others?because they were the only human family that carried the pure adamic blood at that time, and the rests, who were not spared at the flood, were human that mixed with angelic seed. God found noah being righteous and perfect in His sight,meaning he's not mixed with angelic seed. The main reason why God destroyed the whole humanity ,except noah's family, is because humanity were no longer pure but mixed with fallen angels. This was the failured plan of satan just to block the coming of the messiah(Jesus Christ). Satan knew that the promised seed ,who would destroy him, would be from a woman(Gen.3:15). So He pollutes the daughter of men on earth by commanding some of his fallen angels to sleep with them and later produced giants etc.. (Gen.6:1-2). THE MESSIAH has to be born from pure adamic bloodline without any mix.

I encourage you study "the 5 world below us" and "5 divisions of angels" and also 5 divisions of satanic kingdom. It can be explained biblically. As believer it's a must.

God bless you sister....

I do realize all this. What I meant by the heavenlys is fallen angels obviously are no longer with God in Heaven.

 

[danschance]

I do realize all this. What I meant by the heavenlys is fallen angels obviously are no longer with God in Heaven.

"The Heavenlies" or "Heavenly places" do not necessarily mean Heaven.

Look at this scripture:

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." Eph. 6:12

Certainly we can all agree that there is no wickedness in Heaven, so this must be some other location.

 

[danschance]

That is just an opinion that has no Biblical standing. Therefore has no meaning.

Once again you retreat to that same old tired phrase. From now on I will do the same for you.

In my defense: Here is an article from an online encyclopedia. It calls the prine of persia a territorial spirit. So if I can find this in an online encyclopedia, it is not just my opinion.

Territorial Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[danschance]

The word demon is not found in the KJV. But evil spirits or devils which are fallen angels.

This is just your opinion. You have no proof that "evil spirits" are fallen angels.

 

[danschance]

Also it is possible that the prince of Persia was preventing an answer to prayer.

This is just your opinion. The text does not say that.

 

[Laodicea]

Once again you retreat to that same old tired phrase. From now on I will do the same for you.

In my defense: Here is an article from an online encyclopedia. It calls the prine of persia a territorial spirit. So if I can find this in an online encyclopedia, it is not just my opinion.

Territorial Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anything can be found on the net But, can you find it in the Bible? If not then it is just doctrines of men and not of God.

 

[danschance]

Anything can be found on the net But, can you find it in the Bible? If not then it is just doctrines of men and not of God.

The trinity is not a word found in the bible. Is that a doctrine of men?

 

[Powemm]

Answering the question to the op with a question..

whats the first commandment? Love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart with all thy soul and all thy
Might.

since god is the author and the finisher of every good work.. The first and the last.. My question is "obeying the first commandment" why would we give any credit to darkness when God tells us to overcome darkness with ligjt?

Isaiah 42:16
I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Isaiah 53:11
After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 58:8
Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.
Isaiah 58:10
and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday.
Isaiah 60:20
Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
1 John 2:8
Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
1 John 2:9
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness.
1 John 2:10
Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble.
Revelation 21:23
The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
Revelation 21:24
The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

 

[danschance]

Answering the question to the op with a question..

whats the first commandment? Love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart with all thy soul and all thy
Might.

since god is the author and the finisher of every good work.. The first and the last.. My question is "obeying the first commandment" why would we give any credit to darkness when God tells us to overcome darkness with ligjt?

Isaiah 42:16
I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Isaiah 53:11
After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 58:8
Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.
Isaiah 58:10
and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday.
Isaiah 60:20
Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the Lord will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
1 John 2:8
Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
1 John 2:9
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness.
1 John 2:10
Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble.
Revelation 21:23
The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
Revelation 21:24
The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

Sounds great but I don't understand the point you are making.

 

[Laodicea]

The trinity is not a word found in the bible. Is that a doctrine of men?

It is true the word trinity is not found in the Bible but, the Godhead is. It can ne shown from the Bible God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. It cannot be shown about what you are saying about the prince of the kingdom of Persia, therefore it is doctrines of men

 

[Powemm]

Sorry brother i wasnt trying to make a point i was asking a question, My apologies ")

why give any credit at all to darkness? Since God is our full authority and light? How can demons exist
In it when he is?
im not by any means challenging , just looking at it from another angle ")

 

[danschance]

It is true the word trinity is not found in the Bible but, the Godhead is. It can ne shown from the Bible God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. It cannot be shown about what you are saying about the prince of the kingdom of Persia, therefore it is doctrines of men

That is just your opinion.

Fact: The title of "Prince of Persia" alone implies he has some control over Persia.
Fact: Persia is a territory or region.
Fact: The prince of Persia is fighting with an angel an stopping him from delivering his message until "one of the chief princes comes to assist.

So we know the prince of persia is over a territory and we know he is fighting with angels of God. Why do you have the audacity to accuse me of fabricating doctrine when I say the prince of persia is a territorial spirit even after I show you an article from wikipedia? What do you think he is? What label or what category would you put the prince of Persia in?

At this point, any answer that anyone gives is going to be called a doctrine of men, by you. I don't think you understand what a doctrine is.

 

[Bluecomet]

You have to look at who was talking about the prince of Persia. One of God's angels. The angel of God was fighting the prince of Persia, and was delayed taking a message to David'

 

[Bluecomet]

The answer to your question again, Demons are not fallen angels. Demons are spirits. Evil spirits. I will give you an example. The spirit of love is from God. The spirit of hate is from Satan.

 

[danschance]

The answer to your question again, Demons are not fallen angels. Demons are spirits. Evil spirits. I will give you an example. The spirit of love is from God. The spirit of hate is from Satan.

I tend to agree that demons are not fallen angels, but there is no scriptures to support this, that I know of. So for now, I am undecided.