Why it is important to be and marry a virgin (if possible).

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We may be familiar with the teachings of Christ about divorce, and that a person may not divorce his wife for as long as he lives otherwise it is adultery if he or she marries another. But Christ's teachings also apply to fornication.


In our society it is considered acceptable to have had a number of sexual partners before marriage. This way of thinking is also prevalent within the church, in which case they are called "mistakes", forgiven as easily as telling a white lie. But in the bible losing your virginity is far more serious than a simple mistake like telling a lie. How do we think Adam and Eve were married? There was no priest to do a ceremony and say "I now pronounce you man and wife" and sign a piece of paper. They became married by the first act of intercourse!

Here is the point: a person is married in God's eyes to the person they first have sex with. The bible teaches that the two become one flesh. Blood seals covenants, and the flow of blood seals the marriage covenant with that person for life. As Jesus taught, God joins two people together through the act of intercourse (Not when a priest says " I now pronounce you husband and wife" in a marriage ceremony!):


Mar 10:8 And the two of them shall be one flesh. So then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Mar 10:9 Therefore what God has joined together, let not man put apart.




Why is this an issue? Because any subsequent sexual partners (whether you legally marry them or not) are in reality committing adultery as you are already married to your first sexual partner in God's eyes. The bible teaches that if a man has sex with a virgin he is obligated to marry her and not divorce her for the rest of his life, whether he or she likes it or not (see scriptures below).


Exo 22:16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, he must pay the bride price for her and marry her.


Deu 22:28 If a man finds a girl, a virgin not engaged, and lays hold on her, and lies with her, and they are found,


Deu 22:29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife. Because he has humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Paul also stressed the importance of marrying a virgin:


1Co 7:36 But if anyone thinks it behaving himself indecently toward his virgin (if she is past her prime, and so it ought to be) let him do what he will; he does not sin; let them marry.


and also taught that you become one flesh with the person you sleep with, even if it is a prostitute:


1Co 6:16 Or do you not know that he being joined to a harlot is one body? For He says, The two shall be one flesh.


Be warned - in the bible there is no difference whether the first time 'meant anything ' or not, whether it was a moment of weakness or planned intent, and there is no difference between whether it's done with a prostitute or a stranger or someone you are deeply in love with - the person you first have sex with, you are married to! But I'll get back to this later...


Now why is it important for a Christian man or woman to seek a virgin husband or wife? :


The bible says that temple priests were not allowed to marry non-virgins:

Lev 21:7 They shall not take a wife who is a whore, or defiled. Neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband. For he is holy to his God.


Eze 44:22 Nor shall they take for their wives a widow nor her who is put away. But they shall take virgins of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow who had a priest before.


And because Christians are priests in the service of God the same applies to christians:
Rev 1:6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.



But how to escape this life-long marriage to your first sexual partner?


Simply, you must die, because the only way in which the marriage covenant is broken is through death:


Rom 7:2 For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband.


To die, you must come to Christ and be cleansed and reborn as a new creature through baptism and you re-gain your virginity, in Christ (see Romans 6),

Col 3:3 For you died, and your life has been hidden with Christ in God.


You die, you are re-born, you are made alive again, you are given new life, and so you are unmarried from your first sexual partner through death, and a chaste virgin to be married to Christ! :


Rom 7:4 So, my brothers, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ so that you should be married to Another, even to Him raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit to God.


And because you will be married to Christ, you are a virgin again and a completely new unmarried person:


2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present youas a chaste virgin to Christ.


2Co 5:17 So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.




 
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I think this is a much needed topic! Thanks MahogonySnail... Esp with all the single threads out there! Was an interesting read.
 
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Now why is it important for a Christian man or woman to seek a virgin husband or wife? :

The bible says that temple priests were not allowed to marry non-virgins:

Lev 21:7 They shall not take a wife who is a whore, or defiled. Neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband. For he is holy to his God.


Eze 44:22 Nor shall they take for their wives a widow nor her who is put away. But they shall take virgins of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow who had a priest before.


And because Christians are priests in the service of God the same applies to christians:
Rev 1:6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Oops I forgot to say:

Implicitly, this means Christians must marry Christians (confirming Paul's teaching about not being yoked with unbelievers), and it is acceptable for a Christian to marry a person who is not a virgin (according to the flesh) as long as they are a virgin in Christ aka a Christian. [ Likewise, it may also be accepable for a Christian to marry a virgin unbeliever, but the advice of Paul about not being yoked with unbelievers needs to be considered. ].

Finally, there are no separate rules for christians and non-christians about this issue because God's laws governing marriage are before the Law of Moses and apply to the whole human race (in Genesis). And in no way do I endorse or advocate that two ummarried virgins may simply live together (de-facto or otherwise) and not bother get married before God in a church (or similar) and according to the laws of the country in which they reside, unless there are extenuating circumstances preventing them (such as being marooned on an island ;) ).
 
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Ooooo wonderful post. Although I'm a little confused, are you saying that if you're a new virigin again, being married to Christ, you can not marry an actual person? Do you give up your marriage rights totally? I wouldn't agree with that.
 
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Oops I forgot to say:

Implicitly, this means Christians must marry Christians (confirming Paul's teaching about not being yoked with unbelievers), and it is acceptable for a Christian to marry a person who is not a virgin (according to the flesh) as long as they are a virgin in Christ aka a Christian. [ Likewise, it may also be accepable for a Christian to marry a virgin unbeliever, but the advice of Paul about not being yoked with unbelievers needs to be considered. ].

Finally, there are no separate rules for christians and non-christians about this issue because God's laws governing marriage are before the Law of Moses and apply to the whole human race (in Genesis). And in no way do I endorse or advocate that two ummarried virgins may simply live together and not bother get married before God in a church (or similar) and according to the laws of the country in which they reside.

Ohhh rightie, answered that question.
 
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Im not a virgin there fore i should not marry and no one should marry me, i would like to spend the remainder of my days in solitary confinement.
 
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This is a very important posting. When a man and woman join in a sexual union, they become one flesh and one spirit. That is why Paul said, "shall we take the members of the body of Christ and join them to a harlot? God forbid!! 1 Corinthians 6:15-16
When a husband commits adultery and comes home and has sex with his wife, he is actually passing off spirits to his wife. When young women partake with sex with multiple partners, they are taking on all kinds of spirits. That is why fornication and sexual sins are way worse than other sins because all sins are outside the body, but, sexual fornication are sins AGAINST the body. That is why many young women have emmotional and mental problems from having sex with multiple people because they are under demonic oppression or even possession.
SHALL WE TAKE THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST AND JOIN THEM TO A HARLOT? GOD FORBID!!This scripture to me also had a two fold interporetation as well as it applying to the natural man, we can use this for the spiritual man. For me to go to a Roman Catholic or say, another denomination, say, 7th Day adventist etc, and to partake in the Lords supper or sign membership and fellowship in thee, that would be taking a member of the body of Christ and joining it to the Harlot (system)
In these denominations that are part of the system of the Great Harlot, you will notice that sexual sins are also more rampant and practiced among their membership. When you are outside of Christ in spiritual fornication partaking in the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life, with that denomination, it is very easy to partake in things that are displeasing to God but tolerated and overlooked by a worldy system. Young women who mock God like in the post above have emmotional issues and are in a state of confusion because of the life of promiscutity.
 
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Im not a virgin there fore i should not marry and no one should marry me, i would like to spend the remainder of my days in solitary confinement.

Right? It's a LITTLE bit like saying that sexual immorality is an unforgiveable sin.

This is just plain bias. I've met a ton of Christians that have their "pet peeve sins" that they think are so much worse than other sins, but the Bible is clear, sin is sin is sin is sin.

And grace is grace, regardless of sin.

I submit to you all that there are two types of sins, those against G-d, and those against man.

If I steal something, I've sinned against G-d, by breaking His Word, and I've sinned against my neighbor, by taking what belongs to him.

In the case of not being a virgin, that means I've again sinned against G-d, by violating His Word, and sinned against my future wife, by not waiting. Now if both of these can forgive the person, who is anyone else to judge them for it?

Who is anyone else to say that such an offense should NOT be forgiven ?


This is just judgmentalism, plain and simple. Especially offensive is the notion that while the entire point of the thread is to say that Christians should avoid marrying Christian non-virgins, the poster still says it's okay to marry a NON BELIEVING virgin.

This is ridiculous. Scripture is clear, if we are "born again" then the old creature has died, and the new creature IS thus a virgin.
 
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Right? It's a LITTLE bit like saying that sexual immorality is an unforgiveable sin.

This is just plain bias. I've met a ton of Christians that have their "pet peeve sins" that they think are so much worse than other sins, but the Bible is clear, sin is sin is sin is sin.

And grace is grace, regardless of sin.

I submit to you all that there are two types of sins, those against G-d, and those against man.

If I steal something, I've sinned against G-d, by breaking His Word, and I've sinned against my neighbor, by taking what belongs to him.

In the case of not being a virgin, that means I've again sinned against G-d, by violating His Word, and sinned against my future wife, by not waiting. Now if both of these can forgive the person, who is anyone else to judge them for it?

Who is anyone else to say that such an offense should NOT be forgiven ?

This is just judgmentalism, plain and simple. Especially offensive is the notion that while the entire point of the thread is to say that Christians should avoid marrying Christian non-virgins, the poster still says it's okay to marry a NON BELIEVING virgin.

This is ridiculous. Scripture is clear, if we are "born again" then the old creature has died, and the new creature IS thus a virgin.
Yes right, I hope no one ever marries me because what i did was unforgivable by human standards.
 
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Im not a virgin there fore i should not marry and no one should marry me, i would like to spend the remainder of my days in solitary confinement.
I wasn;t a virgin when i got married, but my wife was the first person I slept with after my ''re-birth'', and it was after we were married. So according to Mahogany's study I am good. Have you slept with someone after accepting Christ and if so why? God's word teaches against such things.
 
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Im not a virgin there fore i should not marry and no one should marry me, i would like to spend the remainder of my days in solitary confinement.
Right? It's a LITTLE bit like saying that sexual immorality is an unforgiveable sin.
I think both of you should have read the entire post before you responded.
 
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and iiiiiiiii think i should have to!
You should read it because it comes across like you are mocking the Lord and do not realize it. It is making in fun of serious things. It has the "I don't care" kind of attutude. I know that when I posted the article of "Going outside the camp", there was a post that really grieved the spirit of God in me. These are serious times. There is a place for humor and we all need to laugh.
 
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I think both of you should have read the entire post before you responded.
I DID read the post.

Okay, so it FINALLY mentions repentance. Except... we're supposed to repent of ALL our sins.

So... whether a person had sex, and then got saved

...or got saved, backslid, and repented later, what's the difference? And why is this one sin more serious than others? I say again, whether the perception is true or not, it comes across (at least to me) as being a "pet peeve sin" sorta like how some preachers will tell you anybody that smokes cigarettes, or consumes alcohol or caffeine isn't "really" saved, or that desire would be gone from them automatically.

I mean, there's a reason it is being singled out. Maybe it's a regional thing, but this is not a sin that I see people "letting slide" where I'm from. I've watched an associate pastor break down in tears and resign his position because his ADULT daughter, living in his house, had gotten pregnant. That was insane to me. G-d, in His mercy had repaid her disobedience by giving her a miracle, instead of syphilis or something, and this guy was crying as if somebody had died.

I dunno, if I'm missing the real point, or maybe I am just accustomed to more conservative churches, or what exactly.
 
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You should read it because it comes across like you are mocking the Lord and do not realize it. It is making in fun of serious things. It has the "I don't care" kind of attutude. I know that when I posted the article of "Going outside the camp", there was a post that really grieved the spirit of God in me. These are serious times. There is a place for humor and we all need to laugh.

Well, generally i dont care, these are just forums.
 
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When one accepts Jesus they are washed cleaned and brand new the past is the past. Remember that.
 
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Snail,

I agree with you that when two unmarried virgins fornicate, they become married in the eyes of the Lord. Still, for most of us guilty of that, there is only so much that can be done about it at this point of time, perhaps.

In my own case, I lost my virginity when I was eighteen, have had no lovers since, and at age 56 believe the Lord probably doesn’t want me to marry or have another lover, for the reason you mentioned.

Others fornicated before marrying, and then went and married a person other than the person they first fornicated with. I doubt they’ll spend eternity in hell, but I’m guessing my life as a celibate is an easier life than theirs. At the Resurrection I think we’ll all probably have an opportunity for a new start.

Maybe the important thing is that all virgins be strongly encouraged to remain virgin until they marry.
 
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Both of my parents were virgins. On their wedding night they told me that both of them didn't have a clue! They were married unto death parted them, married for 60 years.
 
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The majority of the first 3/4 of the post is the nature of marriage according to God, which is a bit deeper than merely signing a piece of paper and wearing a ring on your finger as is our culture today. God doesn't live according to the rules of man but His law. (that's why any homosexual marriage approved by courts or a priest in any country will never be approved by God).

The point of the first 3/4 is to show that sex before marriage is not merely "sinning against your future wife", it is in fact making and breaking a life long marriage covenant with a person as Genesis and Jesus taught "the two become one flesh", and "what God has joined together, let no man separate". It is by this standard which God will judge the world - I believe that God will judge unbelievers for adultery, who are not virgins and get married later.

I believe the marriage between two virgin unbelievers for life is blessed and honored by God - marriage is not merely a Christian thing but human. The reason why virgin unbelievers may be married is because if a Christian marries them it is equivalent to two virgins marrying and so they are guiltless in the area of adultery/fornication. But if a Christian marries a non-virgin unbeliever they are committing adultery as the non-virgin is already married to their first partner.

As for the post by Jezreel about passing off spirits, I don't believe it is provable according to the Word of God, but yes this is also a common teaching in some churches about "soul ties" or similar which is more an emotional attachment or bondage than demons being transferred. Demons dont need to be transferred through intercourse they'll just jump on the back of the person committing adultery.
 
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The majority of the first 3/4 of the post is the nature of marriage according to God, which is a bit deeper than merely signing a piece of paper and wearing a ring on your finger as is our culture today. God doesn't live according to the rules of man but His law. (that's why any homosexual marriage approved by courts or a priest in any country will never be approved by God).

The point of the first 3/4 is to show that sex before marriage is not merely "sinning against your future wife", it is in fact making and breaking a life long marriage covenant with a person as Genesis and Jesus taught "the two become one flesh", and "what God has joined together, let no man separate". It is by this standard which God will judge the world - I believe that God will judge unbelievers for adultery, who are not virgins and get married later.

I believe the marriage between two virgin unbelievers for life is blessed and honored by God - marriage is not merely a Christian thing but human. The reason why virgin unbelievers may be married is because if a Christian marries them it is equivalent to two virgins marrying and so they are guiltless in the area of adultery/fornication. But if a Christian marries a non-virgin unbeliever they are committing adultery as the non-virgin is already married to their first partner.

As for the post by Jezreel about passing off spirits, I don't believe it is provable according to the Word of God, but yes this is also a common teaching in some churches about "soul ties" or similar which is more an emotional attachment or bondage than demons being transferred. Demons dont need to be transferred through intercourse they'll just jump on the back of the person committing adultery.

So basically there is no hope for the one who has had premarital sex.
 
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