Why it is important to be and marry a virgin (if possible).
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Well if you misunderstood, then did I.
Perfect example, I know a young lady in my family, that started dating in college, and whose family only found out she was having sex when she became pregnant. A common enough story, I suppose...
Well, this guy is no good.. She works full time while going to school, and he can't find any work at all, and complains about doing chores, or running to pay a bill here and there. He mistreats her, looks blatently at other women, and disappears all weekend.
Now, I can respect what you're saying about the concept of marriage not relying on state recognition. In fact, that's really why, to me, the entire "gay marriage" debate is pretty ridiculous. We are not in a theocracy, and all the state does is recognize a marriage, not sanctify it, anyway.
But I digress..
The average young people may not know what marriage even means. Now if you're restricting the scope of your message to those who DO understand the biblical concept of marriage, to saved Christians who nonetheless decided to go ahead and have sex, then I think there's more of a point there. They are probably more likely to understand what a big step they are taking, and in a LOT (I'm not saying "all" or even "most") they can be encouraged to marry.
But to say they've entered into a covenant, I've again got to disagree with that.
A covenant is binding, yes, but also VOLUNTARY. I would direct your attention to Exodus 24:3-7. The Israelites had a covenant with G-d, but they AGREED to enter into that covenant.
In fact, though it isn't biblical, Jewish lore holds that the Israelites were not the first people G-d approached to become the "chosen people." They were simply the first to agree to do all that G-d asked.
Perfect example, I know a young lady in my family, that started dating in college, and whose family only found out she was having sex when she became pregnant. A common enough story, I suppose...
Well, this guy is no good.. She works full time while going to school, and he can't find any work at all, and complains about doing chores, or running to pay a bill here and there. He mistreats her, looks blatently at other women, and disappears all weekend.
Now, I can respect what you're saying about the concept of marriage not relying on state recognition. In fact, that's really why, to me, the entire "gay marriage" debate is pretty ridiculous. We are not in a theocracy, and all the state does is recognize a marriage, not sanctify it, anyway.
But I digress..
The average young people may not know what marriage even means. Now if you're restricting the scope of your message to those who DO understand the biblical concept of marriage, to saved Christians who nonetheless decided to go ahead and have sex, then I think there's more of a point there. They are probably more likely to understand what a big step they are taking, and in a LOT (I'm not saying "all" or even "most") they can be encouraged to marry.
But to say they've entered into a covenant, I've again got to disagree with that.
A covenant is binding, yes, but also VOLUNTARY. I would direct your attention to Exodus 24:3-7. The Israelites had a covenant with G-d, but they AGREED to enter into that covenant.
In fact, though it isn't biblical, Jewish lore holds that the Israelites were not the first people G-d approached to become the "chosen people." They were simply the first to agree to do all that G-d asked.
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We should endeavor to see things the way G-d does. The world may look at a saved person, and say that they are "not a virgin" but we children of the book know that when G-d makes in us a new creature, the old creature we were is dead. We are no longer that same person. That sin is washed away. If you believe that, it shouldn't matter what someone used to be, or used to do. They are a different person now, reborn in the spirit.
We should endeavor to see things the way G-d does. The world may look at a saved person, and say that they are "not a virgin" but we children of the book know that when G-d makes in us a new creature, the old creature we were is dead. We are no longer that same person. That sin is washed away. If you believe that, it shouldn't matter what someone used to be, or used to do. They are a different person now, reborn in the spirit.
Whenever a person has sex that is their voluntary decision to enter into a union with that person and because God said let no man put asunder and it is for life, it is as good as covenant. Involuntary sex like rape would be excluded in my opinion. It does not have to be a "sign on the dotted line" and say yes 50 times thing. Jesus set the standard when he said that while divorce was allowed under moses due to hardness of their hearts, originally marriage is intended for life. The language of marriage being a covenant can be found in:
Eze 16:8 And I passed by you and looked on you, and, behold, your time was the time of love. And I spread my skirt over you and covered your nakedness. And I swore to you and entered into a covenant with you, says the Lord Jehovah. And you became Mine.
But it is more than a covenant because it reflects the "marriage" between Christ and the church. The flow of blood when a man or woman loses their virginity is also indicative of a type of blood covenant.
Eze 16:8 And I passed by you and looked on you, and, behold, your time was the time of love. And I spread my skirt over you and covered your nakedness. And I swore to you and entered into a covenant with you, says the Lord Jehovah. And you became Mine.
But it is more than a covenant because it reflects the "marriage" between Christ and the church. The flow of blood when a man or woman loses their virginity is also indicative of a type of blood covenant.
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Mohogany Snail,
What you FAILED to mention in either of your posts is what happens when a virgin has sex with a non-virgin. Does the latter remain not connected to the former but to his first sexual partner, while the former remains connected to the latter till death?
And why did David marry Bethsaida???
Once again, the seemingly unpunished sin of polygamy of the old testament has to be addressed...obviously the man was not a virgin every time he married a new wife...even if the woman was...
Also Hosea? I believe it was who married a prostitute has to be addressed...
That being said, I tend to agree with just about everything you said from 'my opinions' and based on some of Paul's writings, besides Christian virgin marrying non-Christian virgin as I have seen this warp my brother's spiritual understanding--he married an atheist virgin, and she has basicly made him an atheist himself...
just thoughts, and God bless
tony
What you FAILED to mention in either of your posts is what happens when a virgin has sex with a non-virgin. Does the latter remain not connected to the former but to his first sexual partner, while the former remains connected to the latter till death?
And why did David marry Bethsaida???
Once again, the seemingly unpunished sin of polygamy of the old testament has to be addressed...obviously the man was not a virgin every time he married a new wife...even if the woman was...
Also Hosea? I believe it was who married a prostitute has to be addressed...
That being said, I tend to agree with just about everything you said from 'my opinions' and based on some of Paul's writings, besides Christian virgin marrying non-Christian virgin as I have seen this warp my brother's spiritual understanding--he married an atheist virgin, and she has basicly made him an atheist himself...
just thoughts, and God bless
tony
That is NOT voluntary. You're saying people can be bound by something they don't understand.. that even if they've never read or heard of the Bible, much less know what it says, that's the same as them getting married.
No, that's precisely WHY we get married. To VOLUNTARILY make a commitment, not just in G-d's sight, but in the presence of witnesses, and those with whom we wish to celebrate that.
I completely that the State should have nothing to do with it, but I am absolutely convinced nobody should be "forced to marry."
Even in societies, modern and ancient, who practiced arranged marriages, betrothment, and stuff like that, the PERSON they married might be chosen by the parents, but the person getting married still has to walk up that aisle, and take those vows, and if they refuse, they are not married.
No, that's precisely WHY we get married. To VOLUNTARILY make a commitment, not just in G-d's sight, but in the presence of witnesses, and those with whom we wish to celebrate that.
I completely that the State should have nothing to do with it, but I am absolutely convinced nobody should be "forced to marry."
Even in societies, modern and ancient, who practiced arranged marriages, betrothment, and stuff like that, the PERSON they married might be chosen by the parents, but the person getting married still has to walk up that aisle, and take those vows, and if they refuse, they are not married.
fightinglamb they are all very good points. This topic could be taken in a few different directions 
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Mobius, I think most people understand what sex is it's called reaching puberty, it's not rocket science. Adam and Eve understood it and people in their era. Anyone can understand it you don't need a bible.
It's important to distinguish what I'm saying about marriage from God's point of view, from the necessary ceremonies and legal agreements.
. Mobius, I think most people understand what sex is it's called reaching puberty, it's not rocket science. Adam and Eve understood it and people in their era. Anyone can understand it you don't need a bible.
It's important to distinguish what I'm saying about marriage from God's point of view, from the necessary ceremonies and legal agreements.
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Loved the post!! We are made new in christ!! I actuall believe in not ever remarrying unless they die...I have struggled with this myself. God pulled me out of a really bad place several years ago. I was in love with someone at the time, and had been for a long time. Unfortunatly he is still in a bad place. I know that God removed me from a horrible situation(he had proposed), and have been surrounded by family and married Completely to Christ for a very long time now, would never marry a non-christin, but still find it hard not to wish he were well and in love with Christ to...I realize part of that is God's love for him in me, part of it my good loyal nature that says you dont give up on someone you love no matter how long it takes....but I have no respect for the choices he continues to make, no desire for him, hardley see or know him anymore...and was never really married to him, we were more just really good friends for a very long time..it was much more heart felt than physical, And years later it is still difficult!!! So thank God for His great love for me....and I have no idea if I will ever be allowed to marry or not, but all I really need is Christ!!...moral of the story never have sex or even allow your heart to get attached in that way unless you are 100% sure that God is orchestrating the whole thing! It is far too painful!! He protects those He loves, provides for them, and makes all things new!!! Wait for Him!
Leilaii,
If you’re still there, no, there’s lots of hope for people who have had premarital sex. I committed that sin but I still have a full life. I just believe the Lord doesn’t want me to have sexual relations with anybody for the remainder of this life. The Lord can fill us with a lot of other rewarding things. And in the resurrection I imagine we have a new beginning. It is also my understanding that I can have a girlfriend—I just have to keep my hands off her.
I belong to a great church where I am a singer-guitarist, go to Sunday school and argue just like I do on this website, write Christian novels as a hobby, am studying to be a computer technician, watch a lot of TV, serve on the church worship committee where I complain constantly, visit seniors … I’m not empty.
If you’re still there, no, there’s lots of hope for people who have had premarital sex. I committed that sin but I still have a full life. I just believe the Lord doesn’t want me to have sexual relations with anybody for the remainder of this life. The Lord can fill us with a lot of other rewarding things. And in the resurrection I imagine we have a new beginning. It is also my understanding that I can have a girlfriend—I just have to keep my hands off her.
I belong to a great church where I am a singer-guitarist, go to Sunday school and argue just like I do on this website, write Christian novels as a hobby, am studying to be a computer technician, watch a lot of TV, serve on the church worship committee where I complain constantly, visit seniors … I’m not empty.
It is important to marry a virgin if possible. I belive the reason you marry is to legalise sex. No one said when you were 'courting' that ou cant hold hands, kiss, love each other, but marrige - in gods eyes, legalisses sex. It says somewhere in the bible - if you can not control your lust, marry.
Now, if you have sex outwith a marrige, this is adultery, unless you are refused the bible says you can go and get someone else. Sex when you are not in a marridge is fornication.
Virginity is a gift for the person you marry. I am 14 and am currently in S3, i am begining my standard grades and aprat from my twin, me and and my 17 year old brother, we are the only born again belivers in our school, that we no of. It disgusts us all to see how standards have dropped, young girls wlaking about in mini skirts and not dressed modestly.
I am quite ashamed that a friend of mine had sex with someone and got preganant last year(13) and had an abortion.
Not to mention the fact that you may not know how many other people that person has lain with. She/He may have STD, also , quite often, the result of having sex with more than one person.
God Bless
Kath x
Now, if you have sex outwith a marrige, this is adultery, unless you are refused the bible says you can go and get someone else. Sex when you are not in a marridge is fornication.
Virginity is a gift for the person you marry. I am 14 and am currently in S3, i am begining my standard grades and aprat from my twin, me and and my 17 year old brother, we are the only born again belivers in our school, that we no of. It disgusts us all to see how standards have dropped, young girls wlaking about in mini skirts and not dressed modestly.
I am quite ashamed that a friend of mine had sex with someone and got preganant last year(13) and had an abortion.
Not to mention the fact that you may not know how many other people that person has lain with. She/He may have STD, also , quite often, the result of having sex with more than one person.
God Bless
Kath x
MahogonySnail,
I think this is a great thread since you are the first person I’ve ever heard suggest what I had come to believe already—that when someone loses his virginity, the Lord looks at that person as being married.
However, I was uncomfortable about something you said in your second post. You used the expression “virgin in Christ.” Were you suggesting that a non-Christian who loses his virginity can reclaim it by becoming a Christian? I think that once you’ve lost your virginity it’s gone. You don’t get it back until the Resurrection. Am I missing something?
I think this is a great thread since you are the first person I’ve ever heard suggest what I had come to believe already—that when someone loses his virginity, the Lord looks at that person as being married.
However, I was uncomfortable about something you said in your second post. You used the expression “virgin in Christ.” Were you suggesting that a non-Christian who loses his virginity can reclaim it by becoming a Christian? I think that once you’ve lost your virginity it’s gone. You don’t get it back until the Resurrection. Am I missing something?
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One scripture that helped me to understand why it is important to wait until marriage is Genesis 3:16 where the amplified version says: To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. NOW here's of the verse that got me, "Yet your DESIRE and CRAVING will be for your husband, and he will rule over you. People I waited until I was 25 but didn't really know why I was waiting until then. I was a christian yes, but not rooted and grounded in the word. However, I woke up when my heart was broken twice. My emotions, desire was tangled up in these men, craving after the guy or guys that were not my husbands. My first experience felt like a hit a brick wall at 500 miles an hour.
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