7 day creation (Genesis)

[Joseppi]

I agree, the Word rest in this context is the Lord refraining from further creation on the seventh day.

Isaiah 46:10 [FONT=&quot]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/FONT]

And you presented the reason why.
If God we’re to continue to create it would void the assurance of legal truth.

That is, on one hand God proves he is God by wisely preparing and establishing all things from the beginning thus showing he as God is never caught unawares.
Thus, for example, the earth as a lump of potters clay was made back when the heaven was made and before the angels, and then when the light is turned on God uses earth to overthrow all evil in heaven and on earth by legally establishing the man Jesus Christ Nazareth on the throne of God due to his worthiness proven by his deeds done in his body of earth.

 

[trofimus]

Theory/model is just a clever way of saying it's unconfirmed story about...

The important aspect of scientific models is that they must work. And this one works.

If you can postulate working, predictable, verifiable and falsifiable theory/model of the universe based on different premises, it can be accepted in the field of science.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

The important aspect of scientific models is that they must work. And this one works.

If you can postulate working, predictable, verifiable and falsifiable theory/model of the universe based on different premises, it can be accepted in the field of science.

Evolution only works in the imagination of those who believe in it. That is why it is called the THEORY of Evolution not the Law of Evolution.

 

[Noose]

The important aspect of scientific models is that they must work. And this one works.

If you can postulate working, predictable, verifiable and falsifiable theory/model of the universe based on different premises, it can be accepted in the field of science.

No it doesn't work, Physics with it's false foundations is making it work. Science has taken a wrong route and everything in that route will work based on the wrong turn. 13 billion years is calculated from based on the speed of light but speed of light is dependent on Earth's movement because all Time is derived from Earth's movement (days/hours/seconds/years). This is circular reasoning

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Its not a quotation of God. Its a story told by a writer. If God inspired today´s scientist to write the Genesis account, different words would be used.

No, He wouldn't. God's Word is relevant to all times. It is science fiction which has a problem with God's Word.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

No, He wouldn't. God's Word is relevant to all times. It is science fiction which has a problem with God's Word.

I was also troubled by his reply. In a strange twist, my mind replied to his post like Festus to Paul: Too much study has made you mad!

 

[trofimus]

Evolution only works in the imagination of those who believe in it. That is why it is called the THEORY of Evolution not the Law of Evolution.

1. This is not about evolution.

2. The word "theory" or "model" in science does not mean it does not work. It means its description is longer than one sentence laws.

The helliocentric model. The theory of relativity. Atomic theory. And so on.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

 

[DevotiontoBible]

1. This is not about evolution.

2. The word "theory" or "model" in science does not mean it does not work. It means its description is longer than one sentence laws.

The helliocentric model. The theory of relativity. Atomic theory. And so on.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Read the OP. It is about people rejecting the Bible for the theory of Evolution which is not scientific since it has not one piece of direct observed evidence. It is a fairy tale.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God did not say that. Its a description/commentary of the writer.

trofimus,

It was God who gave Moses each and every word in the Torah. Indeed each and every Hebrew letter. Even the jots and the tittles. And that is why the Lord Jesus spoke about the jots and the tittles. They were inviolate.

There's NO COMMENTARY here but it is Divine revelation. But if you cannot believe that about Genesis 1 and 2, how can you believe the Gospel? Did God give those words to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John but not to Moses? Do you see how precarious your position is spiritually?

If Christians cannot believe that God created the universe as described in the Bible, how can they possibly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who confirmed the Genesis account?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

trofimus,

It was God who gave Moses each and every word in the Torah. Indeed each and every Hebrew letter. Even the jots and the tittles. And that is why the Lord Jesus spoke about the jots and the tittles. They were inviolate.

There's NO COMMENTARY here but it is Divine revelation. But if you cannot believe that about Genesis 1 and 2, how can you believe the Gospel? Did God give those words to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John but not to Moses? Do you see how precarious your position is spiritually?

If Christians cannot believe that God created the universe as described in the Bible, how can they possibly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who confirmed the Genesis account?

Not only that, but they have no atonement because the blood of animals cannot take away sins (Heb 10:5). They have no remission of sins by faith in the blood of a descendant of apes.

 

[Zmouth]

It is proven when children naturally learn the language of those around them.
This shows the children can learn and will learn whatever language they are acquainted with.

Compare that ability to learn language with the instinct of lesser creature.
For example. A trapdoor spider knows instinctively how to build a trapdoor out of sand, install it, and use it a a trap.
But, the trapdoor spider can’t learn a new thing. Thus instinct is the ability to do a task without learning it.

I think you missed the point, being that man can not naturally acquire the ability to speak, or communicate using the spoken word without being exposed to spoken word, irregardless of what words are used in their speech. Which is to say that the gift of speaking in tongues, or rather the ability of mankind to speak using the spoken word was a gift of the Holy Ghost which as written Romans 1:17"... is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:"

If the ability to speak, or rather communicate using the spoken word wasn't a gift that mankind only obtained from the LORD, then it would be an natural instinct and a person would be able to develop the ability to communicate in any language at any time right?

However, what is dubbed the 'Forbidden Experiment', an experiment in which a child is not exposed to interaction with the spoken word until after the age of 5, prevents an actual experiment being conducted to demonstrate that language acquisition could not have evolved since it has to given in order to be obtained, because the known and observed occurences of non-exposure from occurences that resulted in children being subjected non-exposure has reflected that they can not later developed the ability to speak.

Danielle Crockett, or Dani for short, was found by Plant City police detective Mark Holste on July 13, 2005
She was then aged six and found inside of a dark room the size of a closet wearing a swollen diaper and had feces dribbling down her legs
Dani had never attended school, saw the sun, or ate solid food after her mother held her inside of the small room for the first seven years of her life
She was adopted by couple Bernie and Diane Lierow in 2007 who took her to numerous doctors and therapy appointments over the years
Bernie and Diane eventually divorced; he took on difficult task of trying to raise her, but eventually moved her to a group home nearby
Dani, who cannot speak or write, recently celebrated turning 19 in September 2017.

Source: Florida girl who was locked up by mom for years turns 19 | Daily Mail Online

Also see https://www.linguisticsociety.org/resource/faq-how-do-we-learn-language

 

[mcubed]

Buckle? Such an accusatory tone for someone that is evidently clueless about the reasons or motives behind another's basis for belief. Already paints you in a bad light.
Waste of time answering someone that criticizes in their question.

So what exactly paints him in a bad light? Please explain... He is questioning evolutionist. Are you an evolutionist?

 

[Zmouth]

Evolution only works in the imagination of those who believe in it. That is why it is called the THEORY of Evolution not the Law of Evolution.

While I hear your sentiments, it is hard for someone to refute evolution considering the following:

The discipline of science defines a scientific theory as being "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world."

However, according to Thomas Paine, a scientific principle is "a law which is fixed and unalterable by which the universe is regulated and governed. Man cannot make principles; man can only discover them." And of course Mr. Paine knew that if you believed him, then you would know that man can only discover them when the LORD revealed them.

The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deut 29:29

Since a God without principles is just a Spirit without light thenif the word of God (See Genesis 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply...") establishes that procreation of man requires the cell fusion between the male and female gametes of human beings, then any exception is plausible if all things are possible.

 

[Zmouth]

After life is not something the secular scientist have no concern with. Seeing they are still trying to create spirit life out of none spirit life. God is Spirit as the light and in him there is no darkness

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

No light from the Sun.

Three days later

[FONT=&quot]So if the eternal God is invisible light, then what is your explanation of the following verse considering that the Spirit of God walked upon the frozen waters that which encapsulated the earth underneath.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Gen 1:4 "And God saw the light, that it was good:..." [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]

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And God said, Let there be lights (Plural) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them (Plural) be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.Gen 1:14

On the fourth day he lit the match... again to be used in parables as His signified poetic language for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Hiding the spiritual meaning from the secular scientist.

[FONT=&quot]Since the sun and moon are not in the firmament of the heaven, or rather the cloud that the LORD covered the earth with like a garment
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Job 38:4-9[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]seeing that the firmament of the heaven infers the expanse which the LORD which formed in the midst of the frozen waters from the radiant heat produced by the visible light emitted from the sun of day 1.

On day 4 in which God made the two great lights in the firmament of the heaven, then how many hours does the sun give light upon the earth? (Here is a song to listen to why you think about it?)
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[video=youtube;RLlZHvAcUxM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLlZHvAcUxM[/video]

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Rev 21:22

[FONT=&quot]How many hours of light are there on the earth during the day? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. [/FONT][FONT=&quot] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 11:9-10[/FONT]

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[OneFaith]

Did some Christians break down under pressure from secularists (Evolutionists) to the point they would admit that creation was not a literal 7 days? but why???

Some Christians might. But we know that it was an actual 6 days (on the 7th day He rested) because He said He would shorten man’s days, and the actual days did not get shorter, we just have a less amount of days. Adam and Eve lived over 900 years, but God said man’s days shall be 120.

Whoever says one day was a million years long is not thinking. Because life on earth needs water, sun, and air. God did not create the sun and moon till day four- which, according to them, would mean that flowers, grass, and trees survived without sunlight for a million years.

 

[Ezekiel8]

Did some Christians break down under pressure from secularists (Evolutionists) to the point they would admit that creation was not a literal 7 days? but why???

I think that would be half the reason, that they buckled to it, but that would be for those that claim to be Christian or that come from a Christian family, or that have read the Bible before being exposed to atheistic propaganda. I think for America anyways, and probably to a larger extent in Europe, these people are in the minority.

I think the other larger half is in the West the society is so inundated with atheistic propaganda from public schooling, to movies, to TV, and so on and so forth, that rather than buckling, it is actually their original belief system and they just merely never really question it. In fact for the most part in the West the population are so thoroughly propagandized that essentially they have been programmed with several defense mechanisms and triggers if the atheistic model is questioned, and so to break out of the atheistic religion, of which evolution is a key component, is extremely hard.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

While I hear your sentiments, it is hard for someone to refute evolution considering the following:

The discipline of science defines a scientific theory as being "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world."

However, according to Thomas Paine, a scientific principle is "a law which is fixed and unalterable by which the universe is regulated and governed. Man cannot make principles; man can only discover them." And of course Mr. Paine knew that if you believed him, then you would know that man can only discover them when the LORD revealed them.

The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deut 29:29

Since a God without principles is just a Spirit without light thenif the word of God (See Genesis 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply...") establishes that procreation of man requires the cell fusion between the male and female gametes of human beings, then any exception is plausible if all things are possible.

It is easy to refute since Evolution has never been observed. Nobody has observed a dinosaur turn into a bird 26 million years ago.

 

[hunterpoet]

Did some Christians break down under pressure from secularists (Evolutionists) to the point they would admit that creation was not a literal 7 days? but why???

6 days not 7.
It is not so much breaking down under pressure as it is a crisis of faith.
This is how I work it out. Did God create the universe...yes. Does it matter how fast He created it ... no. Why? Because the end result is the same no matter how long it took to create.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

6 days not 7.
It is not so much breaking down under pressure as it is a crisis of faith.
This is how I work it out. Did God create the universe...yes. Does it matter how fast He created it ... no. Why? Because the end result is the same no matter how long it took to create.

It does matter since the Bible says God created things (earth, moon, planets, plants, animals, man) fully formed not all evolving over time from ooze.

 

[breno785au]

Its not a quotation of God. Its a story told by a writer. If God inspired today´s scientist to write the Genesis account, different words would be used.

God would have to have told Adam and Adam recorded it since he wasn't there.