Does God really hate Esau?

[texascowgirl]

Does God really hate esau ? ?
Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hastthou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And Ihated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragonsof the wilderness
Now when man takes this verse BY ITSELF AND INTERPRETS ITCARNALLY instead of through the Spirit of God, it is easyto believe that God hated Esau. Howerver, God don’t think like man.There are many other Scriptures that teach us that God loves ALL MEN. There are too many to post them all here, but I will show a few below.
1 John 4:14-16 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sentthe Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess thatJesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 16 And we haveknown and believed the love that God hath to us. John testified in that verse that Jesus is SAVIOROF THE WORLD. He also defines the essence of God for us, WHICHIS LOVE.

GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth inlove dwelleth in God, and God in him.​

God is allabout LOVE. Everything concerning God goes right back to love even hisjudgments on mankind. There is never a double standard with God. Hewants us to be like Him and this is why we are COMMANDED TO LOVE EVERYONE. Why? Because God loves everyone because LOVE is the very essenceof God as you read above in the scriputre posted.
Now If JesusChrist hates men and sets them on fire as is taught by some of the churches thenhe could not possibly dwelleth in God because God is love which you just readabove. And there is another verse to help you understand….LOVE WORKS NOILL. So now what we have here is Godis love and Love works NO ILL.
1 COR 13:4-8 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy;love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; [SUP]5 [/SUP]does not behaverudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, [SUP]6 [/SUP]does not rejoice in iniquity, butrejoices in the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]bears all things, believes all things,hopes all things, endures all things. Thesewords describes how God commands us to live and treat all of our neighborsalways.
Weare further told Love NEVER FAILS.
1 COR 13:8 Love never fails
God’s love andmercy will NEVER FAIL MANKIND. NEVER!!
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his onlybegotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but haveeverlasting life. HE HAS NEVER STOPPED LOVINGTHE WORLD, not for a HALF A SECOND andfurthermore Jesus will be the reason WE ALL will believe in him. His love willnever fail us. To teach otherwise is blashpemy agaisnt the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some mencount slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any shouldperish, but that all should come to repentance
Love islongsuffering and God is patient so people need to stop talking the foolishnessthat time is running out for us. It’s not. God will keep right on discipliningHis creation until His love wins. He is not gonna give up and say oh well Itried long enough sorry for you. That’s not what a savior does.
While It istrue that God hates sin and that God is angry with the wicked every day thisanger and this hatred is of the sin and not the people themselves and it is Hisgood pleasure that we learn discipline.. This is what a good father willdo, he will show us right from wrong with some tough love in the form ofpunishments, but those punishments will ALWAYSbe just and righteous and always given with mercy. Just like a naturalfather would do to their kids which they love and will never abandon. Men who are using this hatred for esau verse to help support the teachings we canhate men because God does which causes man to believe in the false demonicdoctrine of an eternal hell and is not only false but blasphemy againstthe Holy Spirit.
Esau will be inthe kingdom of God someday. He shall enter the gates in the time whenthere will be no more tears, because death and hell, the last two enemies ofJesus will be defeated put under His feet (1 COR 15:54-57). But in hisfleshly life it was not ordained for Esau to come to repentance. It wasnever his choice to make, it is always granted of God. He could not inhis own power or initiative come to true repentance because it is only thru thekindness and mercy of God that He grants this to those He chooses and when hechooses.
Jesus does notever hate anyone, neither does the Father. We are to be just like Him, sothis is why we are told to love everyone ourselves, even to love our enemies.How can man possibly be just like God ifpeople are teaching God hates his enemies but wants us to love ours. That wouldbe the opposite of God and not being like God. How could we be just like him ifwe arent’ just like him?
Luke 6:35-36 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping fornothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of theMost High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Thereforebe merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
Does God everstop being merciful since he never changes?
Here is anotherverses that confuses a lot of people about hate

LUK 14:26 If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his father, and mother, andwife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, hecannot be my disciple​

God does notliterally want us to hate our family. He means we must put God first aboveeverything and everyone. HE MUST COME FIRST. And that’s all it means. Ibet none of the members here hate their own family. Do you?
The real Godloves everyone and will never stop loving them. Anyone who teaches otherwise isdeceived and are deceivers and false teachers. LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU!!

 

[jimmydiggs]

 

[reject-tech]

I think He means He hates "Esau-ness"

 

[thecreationtutor]

The sum total of God is not love


Romans 9 22-23
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience evessels of wrath fprepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known gthe riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he hhas prepared beforehand for glory

 

[thecreationtutor]

God's holiness demanded an answer for sin, His love found a way

God's ultimate attribute is His Holiness, His separateness, His imminence, and His Transcendence

 

[jimmydiggs]

I think He means He hates "Esau-ness"

Why didn't he say what he means then?

[video=youtube;mqTWLut6lcg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqTWLut6lcg[/video]

 

[thecreationtutor]

Gandi said "God hates sin, but loves the sinner"

 

[thecreationtutor]

Hallelujah - I needed this!

 

[jimmydiggs]

Gandi said "God hates sin, but loves the sinner"

Jesus didn't.

 

[benAvram]

In both Malachi and Romans (quoting Malachi), it should be understood that Esau and Jacob are figureheads for whole groups of people. Esau was the head of the Edomite nation that bordered Israel and was frequently antagonistic, while Jacob, of course, is the head of the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. I have no problem with the idea that God hated the nation of Edom ("Esau"), even as He may have had individual followers therein. For evidence of Paul's use of individuals as figureheads for whole groups, look no further than Galatians, where he discusses Sarah and Hagar as representatives of certain types of people.

 

[benAvram]

In both Malachi and Romans (quoting Malachi), it should be understood that Esau and Jacob are figureheads for whole groups of people. Esau was the head of the Edomite nation that bordered Israel and was frequently antagonistic, while Jacob, of course, is the head of the Jewish people and the nation of Israel. I have no problem with the idea that God hated the nation of Edom ("Esau"), even as He may have had individual followers therein. For evidence of Paul's use of individuals as figureheads for whole groups, look no further than Galatians, where he discusses Sarah and Hagar as representatives of certain types of people.

I should add that the use of a figurehead to describe a whole people opens the door for the possibility of metaphorical interpretation. In this case, "Esau" may be understood as a reference to a specific nation, or to sinful nations (or people) generally.

 

[nathan3]

Yeah He said it and He means what He says and says what He means.

We Know God loves But God can't stand people acting in ways they should Not. doing evil things.

I think to understand this, its better to look at the scripture for what Esau actually did. Then you would know why God said what He did.

In the course of time studying , you'll find Esau had No respect for His heritage or God, and he sold the blessings and heritage God gave him for a bowl of mush. This shows a bit of Esau's character..

But what really will reveal the reason God said this is, because what Esau did before he was even born. God knew Esau before he came to this earth .

But my eyes cant read any more right now. Maybe later i will come back and find the verses that show all this. Ir get a detailed study,

 

[thecreationtutor]

I should add that the use of a figurehead to describe a whole people opens the door for the possibility of metaphorical interpretation. In this case, "Esau" may be understood as a reference to a specific nation, or to sinful nations (or people) generally.

Is it treated as a metaphor? If you look at Hebrews 12, it certainly speaks of him specifically. While yes, there are certain scriptures that do that, it still does not attest to God loving Jacob, and Hating Esau specifically

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The term used in the hebrew may be translated love less (not hate)

It is like in the NT. Jesus said we must love and honor our parents. Yet he also says if we do not hate them, we can not share in the kingdom.

He did not ocntradict himself. He means love our parents less than him.. or him more than our parents.

God is saying he loves jacob (israel) more than he did Esau (edom)

 

[texascowgirl]

The human emotion hate is not what God meant. God loves his creation but hates the sins yet the sins are a requirement in our being formed in the perfect image of God. There is a lot to say on this that I have just stated but its for another thread, not this one.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Probably important to see as well that neither Jacob, or Esau were good people, but sinners deserving Hell. God freely gave Jacob mercy and worked in His heart

The Bible isn't about good people and bad people but a Good God, and His bad people

 

[thecreationtutor]

God has to use human terms to relate to people - But people just don't commit sin, but are indwelt by sin, as part of their being, I just don't commit sin, I am sinful

 

[nathan3]

The human emotion hate is not what God meant. God loves his creation but hates the sins yet the sins are a requirement in our being formed in the perfect image of God. There is a lot to say on this that I have just stated but its for another thread, not this one.

God hates evil. Paul said in Acts, that its the law of God's nature to produce kind after kind. So if your the child of God, don't think that God is like some force out in space. If He created us, then we are kin.


Did you read, when Christ took a cords and rope and wiped the money changers, Not sure he was happy there.


Proverbs 6:16-19

King James Version (KJV)

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


You read this through out the Bible, God does hate evil and when people do evil things, He's not going to like them. But He would like they would change. But God has emotions also. And His emotions are more then ours even, more then what we can in these dull bodies. He knows more of feelings then we even im sure. He created us after all.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Psalm 5:4-6
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 5:5,
The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity. Psalm 11:5
The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates. Lev. 20:23
Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.

Prov. 6:16-19
There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15
All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.


But remember it's the Cross where God's Hate and God's Love come together - that Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost - Salvation is of the Lord - He forgives sins, and sinners and Justifies them - Let that Magnify the Lord and His Mercy

 

[texascowgirl]

God hates evil deeds not the person. Remember it is God that created evil to begin with according to Isa 45:7. I am babysitting and trying to get some housework done right now but I will come later and do a new thread about this very thing. God does use evil for good purposes and man just doesn't understand.