the Gospel is simple. we add things that are not there. such as what translation do you use? what type of church do you attend? what is your worship style? what is stance on the rapture? and on and on. Jesus was God's son born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on a cross, was raised from the dead to pay the penalty for sins. this is the Gospel.
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I agree that disputations over theology are questionable, however they have been around since the church at Jerusalem, and they can serve a purpose if conducted properly. All such discussions are not useless, for there may be some who read such discussions and learn from them. In that way, they can be valid tools for new believers, or even aged believers.
You said: When will we learn, There is nothing we can do. The only thing we can do is accept the work of the cross and say thank you. Jesus said it is finished, how can we continue something that is finished?
I would say: When will we learn, there is nothing we can do? The only thing we can do is BELIEVE IN THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND WAS RESURRECTED, and say thank You Jesus. Jesus said "it is finished," how can we continue something that is finished?
You said: Yes we strive to keep the moral code of God, but only by the Spirit and by the Spirit means faith in the cross.
I would say: Yes we strive to keep the commandments of God, but only by the Spirit, and by the Spirit means faith in Jesus Christ, for He is the ONLY WAY.
You said: Our hope is the cross and nothing else. Read and study ask you theologian it all culminates with "it is finished" and that is the work of the cross
I would say: Our hope is Jesus Christ and nothing else. Read and study, ask your theologian if it all culminates with "it is finished," and that is what Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour accomplished with His Ministry, His death, and His resurrection.
Now, that may be just me, but.............
You said: When will we learn, There is nothing we can do. The only thing we can do is accept the work of the cross and say thank you. Jesus said it is finished, how can we continue something that is finished?
I would say: When will we learn, there is nothing we can do? The only thing we can do is BELIEVE IN THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND WAS RESURRECTED, and say thank You Jesus. Jesus said "it is finished," how can we continue something that is finished?
You said: Yes we strive to keep the moral code of God, but only by the Spirit and by the Spirit means faith in the cross.
I would say: Yes we strive to keep the commandments of God, but only by the Spirit, and by the Spirit means faith in Jesus Christ, for He is the ONLY WAY.
You said: Our hope is the cross and nothing else. Read and study ask you theologian it all culminates with "it is finished" and that is the work of the cross
I would say: Our hope is Jesus Christ and nothing else. Read and study, ask your theologian if it all culminates with "it is finished," and that is what Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour accomplished with His Ministry, His death, and His resurrection.
Now, that may be just me, but.............
I have to agree with Skinski on this one... THe DEATH of Christ is the CLEANSING part... it is not the WASHED vessels that will be God's Children it is the FILLED vessels....
The DEATH of Jesus was only to get us clean, the RESURRECTED Jesus is out righteousness....
Herosefromthedead, Zone and crossnote... ALL you should remember is... He died, but he did not stay DEAD!!!! If you worship the cross, you are DEAD!!! If you worship IN HIM you are mae alive and righteous... It is not in His death, it is in HIS RESURRECTION that you are made righteous. God does not make a sinner righteous, he makes a SAINT righteous.
Look at it thi way... To get a sinner clean, Jesus had to die... and His blood wash the sinenr so pure that he is made a pure SAINT.... but that is NOT righteous yet... Only IN him can we be righteous. A SAINT IS NOT IN HIM YET.... Only PERFECT people is IN hiim, and HE IN THEM. Only once God JOINED the SAINT to the Body of Christ is the Saint perfected.... Eph 4:11 to 13.
No washed person is just left EMPTY.... Once God washed the vessel with the blood of Chrsit, God PUTS HIS SPIRIT IN THE VESSEL.... Here is what you still do not understand... TO BE IN CHRSIT, CANNOT happen if HE IS NOT IN YOU....And once HE IS IN YOU HE IS THE SEED OF GOD and then YOU CANNOT SIN....As long as you sin HE IS NOT IN YOU....AND YOU ARE NOT IN HIM.....And there is NOTHING more to add....
The cross is NOT the DEAL clincher, the SPIRIT OF GOD FILLING YOU IS!!!!! Many can fall from saintship, and they are the ones playing with fire... but the ones that was BORN of God is the ones that are saved. NOT BEFORE THAT.... Oh they were predestined, but salvation is only complete when GOD IS IN YOU.... AND YOU IN HIM... Not before....
The DEATH of Jesus was only to get us clean, the RESURRECTED Jesus is out righteousness....
Herosefromthedead, Zone and crossnote... ALL you should remember is... He died, but he did not stay DEAD!!!! If you worship the cross, you are DEAD!!! If you worship IN HIM you are mae alive and righteous... It is not in His death, it is in HIS RESURRECTION that you are made righteous. God does not make a sinner righteous, he makes a SAINT righteous.
Look at it thi way... To get a sinner clean, Jesus had to die... and His blood wash the sinenr so pure that he is made a pure SAINT.... but that is NOT righteous yet... Only IN him can we be righteous. A SAINT IS NOT IN HIM YET.... Only PERFECT people is IN hiim, and HE IN THEM. Only once God JOINED the SAINT to the Body of Christ is the Saint perfected.... Eph 4:11 to 13.
No washed person is just left EMPTY.... Once God washed the vessel with the blood of Chrsit, God PUTS HIS SPIRIT IN THE VESSEL.... Here is what you still do not understand... TO BE IN CHRSIT, CANNOT happen if HE IS NOT IN YOU....And once HE IS IN YOU HE IS THE SEED OF GOD and then YOU CANNOT SIN....As long as you sin HE IS NOT IN YOU....AND YOU ARE NOT IN HIM.....And there is NOTHING more to add....
The cross is NOT the DEAL clincher, the SPIRIT OF GOD FILLING YOU IS!!!!! Many can fall from saintship, and they are the ones playing with fire... but the ones that was BORN of God is the ones that are saved. NOT BEFORE THAT.... Oh they were predestined, but salvation is only complete when GOD IS IN YOU.... AND YOU IN HIM... Not before....
a very peculiar distain for what God has done - through Christ.
Romans 5
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 4:20
He did not waver in unbelief at God’s promise but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God.
Luke 17:18
Were there none found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger?
Romans 5
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 4:20
He did not waver in unbelief at God’s promise but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God.
Luke 17:18
Were there none found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger?
no it's exactly how she said it God is not a respecter of persons doesn't matter how good you are or how many good deeds you've done, we're seeing this alot even today, [h=3]2 Timothy 3:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes[/h]Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
You never truly address anything I write. All you do is poke at strawmen that you create.
The legal transaction I am speaking of is the Reformed doctrine of the track record of Jesus being imputed to a sinner whereby God looks at the sinner as if that sinner is righteous when in fact their heart is still totally depraved. You know very well that is what I mean because I have discussed it in detail many times.
If one wants to claim that God's acquittal of repentance sinners is a "legal declaration" then so be it. That is pure semantics. Again the "legal declaration" I am speaking of is within the context of Reformed Theology not within the context of God passing over the former rebellion of a saint.
There is no CLOAKING legal transaction which covers and ongoing state of inward iniquity. One has either been purged of iniquity and has been made inwardly pure in Christ or they have not. Faith purifies the heart, it does not cloak a defiled heart.
Who made me to the the righteousness of God? The Bible teaches that we are made the righteousness of God IN Him. By abiding in the vine we produce the fruit of righteousness via the manifestation of the righteousness of God THROUGH us. Thus...
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Righteousness is resultant of abiding in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ as opposed to being by the law.
om 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
That is why there is no condemnation for us who are IN Christ Jesus, for we abide in the Spirit of His life and walk after the Spirit and are thus totally identified with Jesus Christ in word and deed. Our hearts are in agreement with God.
Modern theology does not teach that, it teaches that salvation is purely positional or abstract and that one can be actively in rebellion to God and saved at the same time.
The legal transaction I am speaking of is the Reformed doctrine of the track record of Jesus being imputed to a sinner whereby God looks at the sinner as if that sinner is righteous when in fact their heart is still totally depraved. You know very well that is what I mean because I have discussed it in detail many times.
If one wants to claim that God's acquittal of repentance sinners is a "legal declaration" then so be it. That is pure semantics. Again the "legal declaration" I am speaking of is within the context of Reformed Theology not within the context of God passing over the former rebellion of a saint.
There is no CLOAKING legal transaction which covers and ongoing state of inward iniquity. One has either been purged of iniquity and has been made inwardly pure in Christ or they have not. Faith purifies the heart, it does not cloak a defiled heart.
Who made me to the the righteousness of God? The Bible teaches that we are made the righteousness of God IN Him. By abiding in the vine we produce the fruit of righteousness via the manifestation of the righteousness of God THROUGH us. Thus...
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Righteousness is resultant of abiding in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ as opposed to being by the law.
om 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
That is why there is no condemnation for us who are IN Christ Jesus, for we abide in the Spirit of His life and walk after the Spirit and are thus totally identified with Jesus Christ in word and deed. Our hearts are in agreement with God.
Modern theology does not teach that, it teaches that salvation is purely positional or abstract and that one can be actively in rebellion to God and saved at the same time.
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Your words are empty Zone. You just name call and imply things without truthfully addressing the content. It is a shame because all you are really doing is upholding the staus quo of error. Many people are comfortable in the system of error and by upholding each other they create the perception of truth. Yet it is the plain words of the Bible itself which exposes this system of error so very easily.
The Pharisees didn't believe the plain words of Jesus and nor do many people today.
The Pharisees didn't believe the plain words of Jesus and nor do many people today.
he's very busy....but thanks for reminding me.
i suppose i could submit DeSario's Finneyite Pelagian Kabbalistic rubbish again.
if he does look it over and deal with it on the air, i might not hear back before it goes out into 12 countries.
i'll let you know.
well let's see:
2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
you mean this transaction? ^ is it a LEGAL ONE?
and you are a devil for treating it with such typical pelagian disdain.
the great irony of claiming you don't have a depraved mind....
who but The Almighty has any Legal Authority to aquit anyone?
blah blah blah.
over and over.
i can't think of anything more sinful than your repudiation of God's OWN PLAN of HIS OWN LEGAL TRANSACTION: right here in black and white:
2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
and how many times have i heard you ridicule that?
Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
hey skinski - is your body going to the grave?
or are you already glorified?
how long did it take the jews who were complicit in the murder of The Lord of Glory to purify their own hearts before the Lord added them to His Body & eternal life?
just so i don't have to read any more of your ludicrous claims of sinlessness (which you got smart enough to qualify):
how long did it take the jews who were complicit in the murder of The Lord of Glory to purify their own hearts before the Lord added them to His Body & eternal life?
ANSWER:
LESS THAN ONE DAY.
Romans 8:33
Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself.
(i'll send ya a PM if DeSario gets his 15 minutes of hall of shame fame).
bye now.
i suppose i could submit DeSario's Finneyite Pelagian Kabbalistic rubbish again.
if he does look it over and deal with it on the air, i might not hear back before it goes out into 12 countries.
i'll let you know.
well let's see:
2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
you mean this transaction? ^ is it a LEGAL ONE?
and you are a devil for treating it with such typical pelagian disdain.
the great irony of claiming you don't have a depraved mind....
who but The Almighty has any Legal Authority to aquit anyone?
blah blah blah.
over and over.
i can't think of anything more sinful than your repudiation of God's OWN PLAN of HIS OWN LEGAL TRANSACTION: right here in black and white:
2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
and how many times have i heard you ridicule that?
Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
hey skinski - is your body going to the grave?
or are you already glorified?
how long did it take the jews who were complicit in the murder of The Lord of Glory to purify their own hearts before the Lord added them to His Body & eternal life?
just so i don't have to read any more of your ludicrous claims of sinlessness (which you got smart enough to qualify):
how long did it take the jews who were complicit in the murder of The Lord of Glory to purify their own hearts before the Lord added them to His Body & eternal life?
ANSWER:
LESS THAN ONE DAY.
Romans 8:33
Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself.
(i'll send ya a PM if DeSario gets his 15 minutes of hall of shame fame).
bye now.
There is one thing we have to know... Whosoever PASSED THROUGH CHRIST is as pure as God is pure... Jesus said very clearly... NO ONE comes to the Father accept through HIM.... And let me assure you, one that passed through HIM will NEVER be dirty again. God does not wash and let you get dirty again.... If God washes he SEALS....
And here is the thing we have to know what comes after the cleansing.... the GLORIFICATION.... If God glorifies a person God glorify a person with HIS OWN SPIRIT.... Look at these verses....
Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Please do not miss this, the blood wash us FROM our sin... that is how Jesus TAKE IT AWAY from us, to NEVER return.
And look at this... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
All sin is "unclean thing...." We should SEPERATE and let people seperate us as EVIL for His Name.... FOR evil not becasue of evil.... Sinners will never chase sinners out, only Holy people.... Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
No use people has reason to dislike you for you are hypocrate or sharing sinner... they should hate you for your HOLINESS... For HIS SAKE....
And here is the thing we have to know what comes after the cleansing.... the GLORIFICATION.... If God glorifies a person God glorify a person with HIS OWN SPIRIT.... Look at these verses....
Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Please do not miss this, the blood wash us FROM our sin... that is how Jesus TAKE IT AWAY from us, to NEVER return.
And look at this... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
All sin is "unclean thing...." We should SEPERATE and let people seperate us as EVIL for His Name.... FOR evil not becasue of evil.... Sinners will never chase sinners out, only Holy people.... Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
No use people has reason to dislike you for you are hypocrate or sharing sinner... they should hate you for your HOLINESS... For HIS SAKE....