THE SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL

[Kerry]

God uses the simple things to con found the wise. We spend hours here debating doctrines. What profit does it gain? Paul said I determined to know nothing of you save Christ and Him crucified and again the preaching of the cross is the power of God. Why do spend time in vain on law or water baptism? Why is our time devoted to works of the flesh? we try to express our great knowledge of the word, when in fact we know nothing. Paul was taught at the knee of Gamiel, then he said I count it as naught.

When will we learn, There is nothing we can do. The only thing we can do is accept the work of the cross and say thank you. Jesus said it is finished, how can we continue something that is finished?

Yes we strive to keep the moral code of God, but only by the Spirit and by the Spirit means faith in the cross. WE walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. The cross is the legal means that allows the Holy Spirit to work in us. Example, the work of Paul, was it really Paul or the Spirit working through him. All Paul did was yield himself by faith to the Holy Spirit. Did you know that God considers our faith greater than the apostles, because they saw Jesus and we have just heard the word.

Consider what your faith is in, law, a denomination , Is it in how good you are, There is none good no not one. Is it because you give to the poor? Or maybe because you fast 1 week out of the month.
These are good things but, not good enough. God required a lamb without spot or blemish, no one born of Adam can be that. Our hope is the cross and nothing else. Read and study ask you theologian it all culminates with "it is finished" and that is the work of the cross.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God uses the simple things to con found the wise. We spend hours here debating doctrines. What profit does it gain?

It sharpens my understanding.

 

[Kerry]

Understand this, If a man goes to church every week and gives to the poor and helps all that ask, he is a good man. Yet he never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Then, there is another man who was evil. Spent his life in debauchery, never helped a person, cursed those who ask him for help, never went to church, but with his last breath called on Jesus and accepted Him.

Which one went to heaven? Where does theology stand on that point?

 

[Kerry]

It sharpens my understanding.

So your saying that it makes you more intellectually stronger. You learn how to defend your doctrine. There is no defense against the cross. The cross only offends those who are learned in the word. Because the cross annuls your knowledge and it offends your flesh. Theologians are focused on what we can do. The gospel is focused on what Christ did.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So your saying that it makes you more intellectually stronger. You learn how to defend your doctrine. There is no defense against the cross. The cross only offends those who are learned in the word. Because the cross annuls your knowledge and it offends your flesh. Theologians are focused on what we can do. The gospel is focused on what Christ did.

Are you anti-intellect? The intellect is part of faith. And the cross doesn't offend me at all. Nor am I afraid of using my mind.

 

[KJV1611]

Pro_25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

I am steadily looking for these concealed things because I love to know my Lord better. There's a world of hidden treasures in that book and I love seeking them out. I personally debate others because it causes me to look into matters that I normally wouldn't look into. I have learned an awful lot about the Lord this way.

 

[Skinski7]

God uses the simple things to con found the wise. We spend hours here debating doctrines. What profit does it gain? Paul said I determined to know nothing of you save Christ and Him crucified and again the preaching of the cross is the power of God. Why do spend time in vain on law or water baptism? Why is our time devoted to works of the flesh? we try to express our great knowledge of the word, when in fact we know nothing. Paul was taught at the knee of Gamiel, then he said I count it as naught.

When will we learn, There is nothing we can do. The only thing we can do is accept the work of the cross and say thank you. Jesus said it is finished, how can we continue something that is finished? Is that what Paul taught? To accept the work of the cross? Is that what he meant when he said he was determined to know nothing save Christ and Him crucified?

Here is the text in question...

1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Co 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

This notion of "accepting the finished work of the cross" is found NOWHERE in the Bible. It is not taught anywhere.

Paul in the above passage is teaching that being "in" Christ is not a remarkable thing from a worldly perspective. Paul came to the Corinthians not with fancy speech or exceptional wisdom, rather he came in simplicity preaching the cross. For it is through the cross, whereby we are crucified WITH Christ and being raised up, that the power of God works THROUGH us. Hence all Paul wanted to see was the Corinthians IN Christ who of God would make unto "them" wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. Faith stands not in the wisdom of men but in the POWER of God.

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Read the above passage because Paul VERY CLEARLY describes what being "IN" Christ means.

This notion of "trusting in the finished work of Christ" and "not having to continue anything" because Jesus said "it is finished" is utterly satanic to the core. When Jesus said "it is finished" it was to do with His blood being shed for the remission of sins thus opening the way whereby sinners could approach God and be reconciled. To teach that sinners have to just "trust in the finished work and do nothing" is NONSENSE.

Sinners have to approach God with a TRUE HEART in repentance and faith in order to be reconciled. Read Hebrews Chapters 9 and 10. The death of Christ did not effect some abstract provision you trust in which then cloaks a state of filthiness. The death of Christ effects the means by which sinners can be made inwardly pure.

Yes we strive to keep the moral code of God, but only by the Spirit and by the Spirit means faith in the cross. WE walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. The cross is the legal means that allows the Holy Spirit to work in us. The cross is not a "legal" means that allows the Holy Spirit to work in us. Not at all. The cross is the means by which we die to self and walk the crucified life following Jesus Christ as our example. The death of Christ did not effect any legal transaction whatsoever, rather it provided a way for us to die to the old man (who serves sin) and be raised up as a new man (who serves righteousness) via being identified in Spirit and in our walk (a service of righteousness as opposed to serving sin) with Jesus Christ. It is in this state of abiding faithfully that there is no condemnation. Example, the work of Paul, was it really Paul or the Spirit working through him. All Paul did was yield himself by faith to the Holy Spirit. Did you know that God considers our faith greater than the apostles, because they saw Jesus and we have just heard the word.

Consider what your faith is in, law, a denomination , Is it in how good you are, There is none good no not one among sinners. Saints ARE good for they have been redeemed from iniquity. Is it because you give to the poor? Or maybe because you fast 1 week out of the month.
These are good things but, not good enough. God required a lamb without spot or blemish, no one born of Adam can be that. Our hope is the cross and nothing else. Read and study ask you theologian it all culminates with "it is finished" and that is the work of the cross.

You are absolutely spot on in regards to walking according to the Spirit whereby the righteousness of God is manifest through us. Yet your misunderstanding of the cross confuses the issue because you are using the language of modern false theology which preaches the cross as effecting an abstract judicial provision which CLOAKS ongoing iniquity as opposed to PURGING iniquity.

When people claim that we are to "trust in the finished work of the cross" and "not add to it" they are saying that within the context of a judicial legal exchange having taken place whereby God looks at the sinning saint through a "Jesus Bubble." There is no cloak for ongoing iniquity in true Christianity. The heart must be clean.

Jesus said it is the PURE IN HEART who will see God. Heart purity is not effected by some provisional judicial transfer. Heart purity is a REAL MANIFEST REALITY. When God looks at the saints He sees "clean hearts" because they have truly repented and therefore abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. Not perfect in knowledge but perfect in heart purity.

God bless.

 

[Isdaniel]

Understand this, If a man goes to church every week and gives to the poor and helps all that ask, he is a good man. Yet he never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Then, there is another man who was evil. Spent his life in debauchery, never helped a person, cursed those who ask him for help, never went to church, but with his last breath called on Jesus and accepted Him.

Which one went to heaven? Where does theology stand on that point?

Psalms 115

16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

 

[Josh321]

we still gotta make sure everyone is on the right path, but instead of that everywhere here just fighting " no my doctrine is right yours is wrong" constantly without understand or without even doing the right thing going to the bible together as brothers and sisters and discuss the differences from there but people got way too much pride it's sickening to watch... did you not know pride was the downfall of lucifer he saw that he was great and wanted to be above everyone else including his creator because of that pride...

 

[Skinski7]

What follows is a list of every single verse in the New Testament where the word "cross" is used. It can clearly be seen that the cross has NOTHING to do with effecting some legal transaction but has everything to do with dying to sin.

Mat_10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat_27:32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
Mat_27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Mat_27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
Mar_8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar_10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar_15:21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
Mar_15:30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Mar_15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Luk_9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk_14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk_23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
Joh_19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Joh_19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Joh_19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
Joh_19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co_1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. It is THROUGH the cross that the power of God manifests THROUGH us bringing a total transformation. It has nothing to do with a legal transaction being effected. Salvation is through PURGING not CLOAKING.
Gal_5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal_6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.Read that again!!!
Eph_2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.Now go read Romans 8:1-4. The cross is about ABIDING IN THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST. That is the means by which we are reconciled to God. Again, it has NOTHING to do with a legal transaction.
Php_2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php_3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Col_1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; The death of Christ effected the New Covenant being put into effect. Go read Hebrews 9 for a description of this. The ordinances of the Old Covenant were done away with, they are done away IN Christ. The New Covenant is EXCLUSIVELY about the HEART.
Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


There is not a single person who can point to a single part of the Bible IN CONTEXT where it is taught that the death of Christ effected some kind of abstract judicial legal exchange which serves to cloak the unrighteousness of the sinner. The Bible speaks of a purging and a cleansing of sin, not a cloaking.

There are multitudes of false teachers who use the following verse in an attempt to promote such a false doctrine. Yet the following verse speaks of being made the righteousness of God IN Him and the context is in working together with God by which His influence effects a radical transformation in reality.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.



God bless.

 

[Skinski7]

Here is what the writer of Hebrews stated...

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
Heb 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
Heb 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


There is no sin cloak with the blood of Christ. The blood of Christ PURGES sin once and for all. That is why Hebrews 10:26 says what it does. Many people don't believe that verse because they think the blood of Christ cloaks ongoing sinning. These people deny the purging of sin by the blood of Jesus and in effect deny Christ.

The Bible means what it says. It is not complicated. One does not need a theologian to reveal the simplicity of the turth. Sure there are many mysterious things but when it comes to redemption the simplicity that is in Christ is the doctrine according to godliness whereby we are made the righteousness of God IN Him via abiding in the Spirit of His life.

Don't be deceived by all those who deny the purging of sin and the subsequent result of a pure heart.

Purity is key.

God bless.

 

[crossnote]

If this is an exercise in Gospel reductionism then the cross is only one of the particulars. If I were to encapsulate the whole I would put the whole into the Person of Jesus Christ. Then to break it down into particulars you have such as ...the Cross, the Incarnation, the Resurrection, the Ascended and Reigning Lord etc., all integral in the Person of Jesus and our salvation.

 

[daughteroflight]

Hi,
I read many Gospels like, the Gospel of Christ, the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD,
the Gospel of the grace of GOD ....

I read that the simplicity is in Christ...

2 Cor.11
[2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:
for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

After baptism calling on his name, things vastly change.
The attentive to GOD hears all things...

 

[reject-tech]

Understand this, If a man goes to church every week and gives to the poor and helps all that ask, he is a good man. Yet he never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior.

Sounds like to me that man did in fact call upon the name of Jesus Christ, follow Him, and accept Him as his savior, he just never jumped through the trivial hoops that satisfy the preacher and the rest of the congregation's paper thin faith of signing a dotted line.

The second guy on the death bed is the thief on the cross that asked "remember me"

 

[Cobus]

Understand this, If a man goes to church every week and gives to the poor and helps all that ask, he is a good man. Yet he never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Then, there is another man who was evil. Spent his life in debauchery, never helped a person, cursed those who ask him for help, never went to church, but with his last breath called on Jesus and accepted Him.

Which one went to heaven? Where does theology stand on that point?

Neither goes to heaven... AS I said before, no use you preach the Cross, and do not understand that NO MAN HAS EVER ACCEPTED JESUS.... NO MAN EVER.... this is teachings from Satan..... For a man to ACCEPT Jesus as his saviour the man has to CHOOSE Jesus..... And it does not work that way.... God does the choosing...

Kerry STOP preaching lies!!!! Come on man.... Look who choose and ACCPET WHOM.....John 15:16... Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:
You start by saying: THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO... but then you say the man calls out to Jesus.... why? I thought there was nothing we can do? You contradict yourself and that is ok, but to contradict the Truth God's Word, I will correct you...

Not EVER has one person accepted God. God chose the man, and called the man and justified the man and glorified the man.. and that man is saved.... God DID ALL!!!! Even the man on the cross received GOD's REVELATION to save the man... one moment he was a scorner and the next he was made KNOWN that it is Jesus Christ the Son of God next to him... how? How did that man know Jesus in a second? God gave that man the Holy Spirit. God says it is ONLY the Holy Spirit that beareth witness that Jesus is the the Truth and the Spirit of Truth... 1 John 5... So that man could not have witnessed that Jesus is Lord, without GOD REVEALING IT TO HIM BY HIS OWN SPIRIT......

Now please, stop saying things like ACCEPT Jesus as you saviour... No man can accept Jesus... We can only RECEIVE Him if GOD gives HIM TO US.... No man ACCEPT the Holy Spirit, God GIVES it to SAINTS..... not sinners SAINTS.... And the Saints were chosen even before the earth was made.... Predestined.... God does not need your permission to save you.... Ask Saul!

 

[Rockbysea]

Understand this, If a man goes to church every week and gives to the poor and helps all that ask, he is a good man. Yet he never accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Then, there is another man who was evil. Spent his life in debauchery, never helped a person, cursed those who ask him for help, never went to church, but with his last breath called on Jesus and accepted Him.

Which one went to heaven? Where does theology stand on that point?

There will be many who are saved who never accepted Christ as their Lord and Saviour and there will be many who will perish who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Saviour. And Jesus is not some magic word like hocus pocus … God looks on the heart... He knows true repentance

 

[zone]

The death of Christ did not effect any legal transaction whatsoever

you are in a heap of trouble then.

 

[zone]

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

no "Legal Transaction"? are you not dealing with The One Who Judges; and the One Who gave the Law?

and you're not involved in any Legal Transaction; declarations He makes?

.....

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

was Jesus a sinner, skinski?

and WHO MADE YOU to be the Righteousness of GOD?

YOU?

yes, you believe so...you're pure, after all. just like Jesus, your "example"

incidentally, your understanding of the Cross, and the POWER of the GOSPEL preached is pathetic.

pelagian gnostic and all....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

you are in a heap of trouble then.

Dead in his sins.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

no "Legal Transaction"? are you not dealing with The One Who Judges; and the One Who gave the Law?
and you're not involved in any Legal Transaction; declarations He makes?
.....
was Jesus a sinner, skinski?
and WHO MADE YOU to be the Righteousness of GOD?
YOU?
yes, you believe so...you're pure, after all. just like Jesus, your "example"
incidentally, your understanding of the Cross, and the POWER of the GOSPEL preached is pathetic.

pelagian gnostic and all....

And Finneyist. At least with Finney we have abundant writings to compare skinski's against.