Yes I am a Calvinist

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Phoenix

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The title sums it up. Yes I am
I believe in the total depravity of man
I believe we cannot "choose God" for we are dead in our sins and love it.
I believe that God called His elect before the foundation of the World to be Holy and Blameless before Him.
I believe that God does all the saving so that we have no part in it that we may boast of His Work.
I believe that God does predestine people for Hell so His Power and Justice may be Known.
I believe In God the Father. Almighty maker of Heaven and maker of Earth.
I believe In Jesus Christ His only Begotten Son.
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit Born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Poncious Pilot .
He was Crucified, buried, and dead.
On the Third Day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven Where He sits at God's Mighty right hand.
He will come back to Judge the Dead and the Sons of Men.
I believe that He took the Wrath of God for His elects sins.
I believe that if we are truly His He Will not let us Go.
This is My Creed
See if you find Fault in Me.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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Phoenix said:
The title sums it up. Yes I am
I believe in the total depravity of man
I believe we cannot "choose God" for we are dead in our sins and love it.
I believe that God called His elect before the foundation of the World to be Holy and Blameless before Him.
I believe that God does all the saving so that we have no part in it that we may boast of His Work.
I believe that God does predestine people for Hell so His Power and Justice may be Known.
I believe In God the Father. Almighty maker of Heaven and maker of Earth.
I believe In Jesus Christ His only Begotten Son.
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit Born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Poncious Pilot .
He was Crucified, buried, and dead.
On the Third Day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven Where He sits at God's Mighty right hand.
He will come back to Judge the Dead and the Sons of Men.
I believe that He took the Wrath of God for His elects sins.
I believe that if we are truly His He Will not let us Go.
This is My Creed
See if you find Fault in Me.
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That's very interesting beliefs. :) But who am I to disagree because I don't even know what I believe totally.
 
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I don't believe we're called to follow anyone or be identified by anyone other than Jesus Christ. By the way pilot is spelt pilate , that's one fault.

"I believe that God does predestine people for Hell so His Power and Justice may be Known."

BAAMP, wrong.
 
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Phoenix said:
The title sums it up. Yes I am
I believe in the total depravity of man
I believe we cannot "choose God" for we are dead in our sins and love it.
I believe that God called His elect before the foundation of the World to be Holy and Blameless before Him.
I believe that God does all the saving so that we have no part in it that we may boast of His Work.
I believe that God does predestine people for Hell so His Power and Justice may be Known.
I believe In God the Father. Almighty maker of Heaven and maker of Earth.
I believe In Jesus Christ His only Begotten Son.
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit Born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Poncious Pilot .
He was Crucified, buried, and dead.
On the Third Day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven Where He sits at God's Mighty right hand.
He will come back to Judge the Dead and the Sons of Men.
I believe that He took the Wrath of God for His elects sins.
I believe that if we are truly His He Will not let us Go.
This is My Creed
See if you find Fault in Me.
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I don't see where you confess Him as Lord, and call upon the name of the Lord ......... the demons believed and trembled
 
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Phoenix

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Sorry Im tired and have horrible spelling. Yes I know that He is Lord and I know demons acknowledge that also. @snail he did the same to pharoah he hardened pharoah's heart. Or did you just skip that part
 
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Jordan9

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No, I am not a Calvinist.
Lol.
But Mark Driscoll is a Calvinist (a self identified "four-and-a-half point Calvinist") and I enjoy his sermons. John Piper is ok too.
But a Calvinist I am not.
 
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Sorry Im tired and have horrible spelling. Yes I know that He is Lord and I know demons acknowledge that also. @snail he did the same to pharoah he hardened pharoah's heart. Or did you just skip that part
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Read the story of Pharoah from beginning to end. Did you miss the part where it says Pharoah hardened his own heart?
 
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hey I will give you a shot at this just I have all other calvinist. please help me. if paul truely preached the predestination. as many say then why would he say this .

2ti 2:10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
if the elect are In by God's choice then why did paul, say that the elect needed to obtain salvation , you can't say that he didn't know who the elect was , for clearly he says that the elect needs to obtain salvation . and that he has suffered for the elect to obtain salvation
 
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tryingtofindhim

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Thaddaeus said:
hey I will give you a shot at this just I have all other calvinist. please help me. if paul truely preached the predestination. as many say then why would he say this .

2ti 2:10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
if the elect are In by God's choice then why did paul, say that the elect needed to obtain salvation , you can't say that he didn't know who the elect was , for clearly he says that the elect needs to obtain salvation . and that he has suffered for the elect to obtain salvation
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I have a question about that. Since God knows everything he knows who's going to go to hell and who isn't isn't that kind of like predestination?
 
MahogonySnail

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that's called foreknowledge. Knowing something will happen before it does, but not directly destining it to happen.
 
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tryingtofindhim

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MahogonySnail said:
that's called foreknowledge. Knowing something will happen before it does, but not directly destining it to happen.
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OH ok that makes sense, kind of.......
 
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Phoenix

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@pastorkieth. Paul is referring to the Gospel. The reason he said he suffered is of course that he is attacked thrown in jail, and eventually killed. The part that says so they may obtain salvation. Does not refer to them choosing it means that he preaches the Gospel to them so that the people whom God had chosen will be awoken. Just as the prodigal son came to. So did the elect who Paul preached to. @snail friend by saying that you are implying that God just knows, and has no control over anything.
 
MahogonySnail

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@snail friend by saying that you are implying that God just knows, and has no control over anything.
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The alternative is to say that God is directly responsible for and has control of all evil in the world and that's not right either.

All in all I'd say your point about God predestinating people to hell is particularly offensive to the Gospel and what Christianity stands for, and in no way reflects the heart of God.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
Read the story of Pharoah from beginning to end. Did you miss the part where it says Pharoah hardened his own heart?
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God had said that He would put the same curse on the egyptians, that they put on his people , the curse was put on Israel when moses was a child that every first born hebrew male child was to be put to death, maybe You overlooked this part and this is why God harden the heart of pharoah, so that the curse could be returned as He had promised, you can not show anywhere in the scriptures where God ever forced anyone to believe in Him, or to call him Lord. now scriptures does say sometime in the future every knee will bow, but this is only after all, have had many chances to bow willingly, and on our own will
 
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MahogonySnail said:
The alternative is to say that God is directly responsible for and has control of all evil in the world and that's not right either.

All in all I'd say your point about God predestinating people to hell is particularly offensive to the Gospel and what Christianity stands for, and in no way reflects the heart of God.
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Actually no. That is not what scripture teaches. He allowed evil to come in so that Christ could come in and save His elect. Let me ask you snail. Then what is the Gospel? Why did Christ die?
 
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@pastorkieth. Paul is referring to the Gospel. The reason he said he suffered is of course that he is attacked thrown in jail, and eventually killed. The part that says so they may obtain salvation. Does not refer to them choosing it means that he preaches the Gospel to them so that the people whom God had chosen will be awoken. Just as the prodigal son came to. So did the elect who Paul preached to. @snail friend by saying that you are implying that God just knows, and has no control over anything.
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no you twist the scripture to your belief , paul said that they may obtain salvation , not that they may know they have it, sorry good try better than most. but that is wrong anybody can see that, this is not saying what you say, then it would have to read: I suffer That the elect may know that they have been chosen, this is not what it says or even implies, read it again. if they need to obtain they do not have it yet,

and the reason most calvinist say that we still need to preach the Gospel is because we don't know who the elect is , but what difference does it make if God chose you to in before time, as we know began, then does it make if we hear the gospel or not we are already in either way. what difference does it make it we are saved. or if we have obtained, a mass murderer could be in and still make it in. sorry You have not answered why the elect need to obtain salvation. good try though
 
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Phoenix said:
The title sums it up. Yes I am
I believe in the total depravity of man
I believe we cannot "choose God" for we are dead in our sins and love it.
I believe that God called His elect before the foundation of the World to be Holy and Blameless before Him.
I believe that God does all the saving so that we have no part in it that we may boast of His Work.
I believe that God does predestine people for Hell so His Power and Justice may be Known.
I believe In God the Father. Almighty maker of Heaven and maker of Earth.
I believe In Jesus Christ His only Begotten Son.
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit Born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Poncious Pilot .
He was Crucified, buried, and dead.
On the Third Day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven Where He sits at God's Mighty right hand.
He will come back to Judge the Dead and the Sons of Men.
I believe that He took the Wrath of God for His elects sins.
I believe that if we are truly His He Will not let us Go.
This is My Creed
See if you find Fault in Me.
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Hmm let me pick at it.

T- check
U- well they have to hear the gospel
L- check, only those of faith
I- check, because God gives you His spirit and a new heart He created
P- Hmm, there are promises of security and also warnings of a falling away.

May God be with you trying to convince people they are not resposible for their salvation, they had to 'choose'.
 
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Actually no. That is not what scripture teaches. He allowed evil to come in so that Christ could come in and save His elect. Let me ask you snail. Then what is the Gospel? Why did Christ die?
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Why did Christ have to come at all?

Let me ask you, why did Christ have to die if God has already determined whether inidividuals go to hell or heaven? Then for a person destined to hell, Christ cannot save them, and for a person destined to heaven, Christ cannot prevent.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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I choose to love Jesus, believe, and follow Him. If you do too then thats good enough for me, brother.
 
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Thad, I thought I had already mentioned this to you, faith comes by hearing. The elect are those that will believe at the hearing, they must still hear though. I believe this is for those who understand election, that the elect need to hear the gospel. Those whose it was God's will to demonstrate His mercy on. Shall the lamb not have His full reward?
 
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