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    This is what God said.

    Matthew 5:17
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    ….48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.




    This is what Luther, your father, said.

    "BE A SINNER AND SIN BOLDLY,  … As long as we are here  we HAVE TO SIN.....It is enough that by the riches of God’s glory we have come to know the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world.  No sin will separate us from the Lamb, EVEN THOUGH WE COMMIT FORNICATION AND MURDER A THOUSAND TIMES A DAY...."

    God says "Go, and sin no more."

    When God was asked directly how to inherit eternal life he went to the law.

    Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
    26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
    27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]
    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”


    The gospel message of Jesus Christ was "Repent, for the kingdom of God has drawn near."


    There is a reason that more children are sexually abused by Protestant Clergy than Catholic, but nothing is made of it.

    There is a reason that Atheist's obey God in practice on divorce more than Protestants.

    Your weird little religion will come to an end.

    P.S. Paul is not God.

    Start with what God said, and then you interpret all else through that.

    Good luck.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gotime View Post
    The Cross is indeed the foundational truth by which we are saved. but God did not stop at the cross. In the Sanctuary which showed the whole plan of salvation. The cross is the first part seen in the Altar of sacrifice. but there is more after that. and all that comes after is possible because of the cross.

    The problem is most people ignore everything that comes after and think thats ok.
    After the death we are saved by the resurrected Christ. The life is now given to us from Father, raised us back to life if we agreed to die to self as well as Paul said without one dying there is no life. Just as a seed has no life unless it be put in the ground and die
    1Cor 15 clear about the resurrected Christ where new life is today in the spirit of God in our new mindsets, renewed from Father to us that he accepts as believers
    For God will have Mercy on whom God will have Mercy. There is a hard work to come to enter his rest, by belief our self flesh just does not want to give up,
    ever time I (flesh) wants to do good it just can't not perfectly and is upset over it, trying over and over again to be perfect and in control. when no flesh can please God ever, from Adam on and after Christ. Christ is the only flesh that ever pleased God and took sinful flesh and condemned all sin to flesh, our unredeemed flesh. now this is why God can only be worshipped in Spirit and Truth
    Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwark View Post
    There is a reason that more children are sexually abused by Protestant Clergy than Catholic, but nothing is made of it.
    Probably nothing is made of it because it isn't true. I would be willing to change my mind though if you could provide evidence to support your accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_highwayman View Post
    Sorry but John 14.6 and in red says:
    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    He did not say

    Jesus saith unto him, THE CROSS is the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by the CROSS.

    What can we do to stand before God has Righteousness!?!?

    2 Cor 5.17-21 says:
    17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
    18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
    20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    It was Christ that made us roghteouss before God, not the tree..
    Yet that final sacrifice and shedding of /blood had to be made right, and why to do what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexis View Post
    So Jesus is the cross? Sorry I'm just really slow I guess but I don't understand.. I mean I know He gave His life on the cross

    Please don't think I'm being disrespectful I truly don't understand.

    It unfortunately gets into semantics. The problem with English, for one word there are different interpretations to another
    Without the Death first where we are cleansed, to Father by son, we would not be viewed from Father as perfect, by son, and thus therefore we would not be able to have received new ,life in the Spirit of Father, without first being cleansed by Son's sacrificial death for us in our first born flesh attitudes in being good when none of us are good, only Father is.
    So Christ made us first perfect through his death at the cross to redeem us to Father and Father when we see this get new life from Father as a gift to us in the Spirit
    John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    This is done in the resurrected Christ not the death
    So :
    Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    praying this helps you to see through to the full Gospel, not half of the Gospel, for death is death and is in need of new life so ask Father to show this to you, which I think he has already, just for further standing in trust to Father through Christ for you
    Phil 3 very clear 1-11 about the fight war between flesh and the Spirit of God, and how that death to self is important in your carnal mind, and be renewed in God's Spiritual mind


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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsponge View Post
    GOD is PERSONALLY with us who are with his BELOVED Son , his BELOVED Apostles
    and his BELOVED Prophets.

    Jump in
    Ephesians 1:1-13

    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


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    Quote Originally Posted by alexis View Post
    Honestly this is the most confusing thread I have ever seen or read... The cross whatever it is, can not compete with The Law handed down by God to Moses for that is Biblical text. The cross is only mentioned in The Bible as a piece of wood Jesus carried when He sacrificed to free us of sin.

    Now Christ is the answer, by following His teachings you will follow the what God has asked.
    as for the cross... It's wood that's all

    If the word cross in this thread is code for God's love and Jesus' sacrifice then that is different but since no one is willing to tell me what the word is a metaphor for its simply wood to me nothing more

    That is where he took all sin and condemned it to the cursed tree , and all flesh. The tree that Adam and Eve ate from

    Romans 8:1-3

    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Thewaters View Post
    The cross allows you by grace to keep the law

    Fulfill means to magnify it

    you need to read the next verse

    Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    heaven is still here and the earth is still hear

    fulfill means to guard it and proclaim it
    it is the law we need to keep by grace
    The law is still in place for the Law breakers, those that have not finalized what Christ did for them at the cross, and have not moved on to new life found in the resurrected Christ by Father. How can anyone move on if they are busy trying to be as perfect as possible, when the word says:
    Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    Tell me how can anyone of us ever improve on perfect, Holy?
    It is what it is, either we believe or we do not, free will choice for each and all. Thanks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Thewaters View Post
    Don't you have a very difficult time finding a pslam that does not magnify the law?
    The letter of or the Spirit of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Thewaters View Post
    I think the common vernacular on the cross means self sacrificing love
    That is how I take it.

    Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
    Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
    Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
    So maybe ask God to co-crucify us with Son at the death of Son at the cross, so that we being dead to flesh too, we can see the new life in the Spirit, praying God reveals this to us and put no confidence in the flesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry View Post
    Still no takers, then shut up about your law, Please.
    I agree with much of what you say Kerry, God has given you much insight/
    now is not the Law still needed to show us our need for Christ until one comes to the fullness of Christ's final sacrifice, and see all they need is Christ and thus receive the Love from Father to walk in as Christ did?
    I know for me it took many years to see this truth being all God and none of me. Yet without the constant want to be, I might not have ever come to the end of the energy of my own flesh. Just vitals to eat and praise for all those under the Law that is leading them to the finished work of Christ as God leads not me, Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotime View Post
    Why is it when someone speaks of keeping the law its assumed that they are doing it by works?

    My experience is that with Faith in Jesus what I could not do before He does in me now. I can't explain how it works. Just that His promises are true. Indeed keeping the law in other words doing what is right. was impossible before Faith came, but when Faith came through Jesus all things became possible.

    Jesus did more than die, He was raised and is High Priest even now. The old man of sin could never keep the law though we trie. now He is dead in Christ and behold He makes us new creatures praise His name. Christ lives in us and by His Spirit the keeping the law becomes natural. why, because its natural for Jesus and Jesus live in us.

    Thats not works thats grace in full blown power.
    Yes agreed, yet what Law are you saying we are keeping? The Mosaic Law where by and through it we are to still sacrifice an innocent animal, and shed its blood for our sin.
    That is the Mosaic Law, no matter what way anyone slices, dices and or cubes it/
    Or are you saying the Laws of Love written into us from Father and the sacrifices are over, it is Mercy that God sees over sacrifices right?

    Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

    you might already know this, and whatever way you see it, hope this might be helpful to your walk


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    Quote Originally Posted by gotime View Post
    Romans 7 describes a person who is a slave to sin until they come to the cross and are freed at the end of Romans 7 Romans 8 is the person who is free in Christ.
    Those that seek after the Spirit of God, 100% truth and God is the one that knows who are who, I rest in that, and just continue to be God's newsboy over what I used to be an editor

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan3 View Post
    Why is anything in the Bible vs anything in the Bible ?
    The fight that is going on to this very day is why
    Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwark View Post
    This is what God said.

    Matthew 5:17
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    ….48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.




    This is what Luther, your father, said.

    "BE A SINNER AND SIN BOLDLY,  … As long as we are here  we HAVE TO SIN.....It is enough that by the riches of God’s glory we have come to know the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world.  No sin will separate us from the Lamb, EVEN THOUGH WE COMMIT FORNICATION AND MURDER A THOUSAND TIMES A DAY...."

    God says "Go, and sin no more."

    When God was asked directly how to inherit eternal life he went to the law.

    Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
    26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
    27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]
    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”


    The gospel message of Jesus Christ was "Repent, for the kingdom of God has drawn near."


    There is a reason that more children are sexually abused by Protestant Clergy than Catholic, but nothing is made of it.

    There is a reason that Atheist's obey God in practice on divorce more than Protestants.

    Your weird little religion will come to an end.

    P.S. Paul is not God.

    Start with what God said, and then you interpret all else through that.

    Good luck.


    Yes all you said is truth, before the cross where Christ finished his work given to him from Father to go to that cross and die to the flesh, to be our flesh death to self, each that believe God. Then God by the death of Son we being participators in this death to self receive new life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of Father and thus led as Christ was led, and we walk as Christ walked by Faith in Father and thus led by Father the same is for us today, yet not of flesh, rather of the Spirit of God

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead View Post
    Probably nothing is made of it because it isn't true. I would be willing to change my mind though if you could provide evidence to support your accusation.
    Valerie Tarico: The Protestant Clergy Sex Abuse Pattern

    Protestant Sex Abuse

    Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches | Fox News

    Billy Graham's grandson: evangelicals 'worse' than Catholics on sex abuse | Religion News Service

    Google it, the list is long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homwardbound View Post
    Yes all you said is truth, before the cross where Christ finished his work given to him from Father to go to that cross and die to the flesh, to be our flesh death to self, each that believe God. Then God by the death of Son we being participators in this death to self receive new life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of Father and thus led as Christ was led, and we walk as Christ walked by Faith in Father and thus led by Father the same is for us today, yet not of flesh, rather of the Spirit of God
    I know you sincerely believe that what you said was meaningful. It certainly was a kind response. You are mixing Paulinian church speak with scripture.

    Faith is a verb for an action when it is used by Christ. It is a work. Faith, like Grace and works have no effectual saving power in themselves. Only God saves and he will judge us to salvation or damnation by what we say and do. There is no free ride. And you will know that you are saved, or not, at the great and terrible day of the Lord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwark View Post
    I know you sincerely believe that what you said was meaningful. It certainly was a kind response. You are mixing Paulinian church speak with scripture.

    Faith is a verb for an action when it is used by Christ. It is a work. Faith, like Grace and works have no effectual saving power in themselves. Only God saves and he will judge us to salvation or damnation by what we say and do. There is no free ride. And you will know that you are saved, or not, at the great and terrible day of the Lord.
    Amen Brother Amen. for the Lord knoweth who are his and I can and do rest in that, thanks

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    All these talks without listening to the author and the finisher.
    Someone mentioned Matt 5:17-19. No one cares.
    Here I'm quoting one of Yeshua's teachings: You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sisterwill be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’s answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
    Did He nullify His teaching on the cross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry View Post
    The cross is everything, without the cross there is nothing. A house is in the cross , a car is in the cross, eternal life is in the cross, Your need is met in the cross and not what you can do, What can you do, feed the poor, do not the wicked do that as well, clothe the naked, don not the wicked do that also? what is it that you can do to stand before God as righteous. The only thing you can do is have faithh in the work of the cross and nothing else. It is the only thing that God will accept.
    Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
    Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    There is this little thing called the resurrection that saves us.

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