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K
THe cross is offensive, the cross tears our flesh, the cross separates us from worldly acts. Why is the church trying to be like the world? And where are all the law keepers did they duck out. Come on Saturday or Sunday or Wednesday ot Thursday. How bout erry day. Do you have worldly singers in your church oes it ever mention sin or the cross. Come on lawyers I know you out there!!
No one ever said the cross is our salvation, so getting our feathers ruffled about people preaching about it is meaningless. The cross is an amazing thing because it symbolizes Jesus sacrifice, love and willingness to go through great unbearable suffering for us. this is why you ser the cross on churches and necklaces. no one worships the cross, they see the cross think of Jesus and are reminded of all he did
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The cross allows you to keep the law
very simple
Jesus is given the right, by dying for you, to fill you with divine power and give you law keeping power.
They go together.
And you fall in love with him each day more and more
like a bride falling in love with husband.
Letting Jesus die on the cross and then ignoring the law
is like a woman getting married so her husband can support her other boyfriends, it doesnt work that way.
If you love Jesus you will keep all the laws in his word with all your heart
if you dont love him but are just trying to excape punishment you will say you dont have to keep the law.
like a Boy who his father askes to mow the lawn
He says, I am born into this family and am guaranteed an inheritance so I dont have to do nothing!
right.......
Wont he be surprised.
very simple
Jesus is given the right, by dying for you, to fill you with divine power and give you law keeping power.
They go together.
And you fall in love with him each day more and more
like a bride falling in love with husband.
Letting Jesus die on the cross and then ignoring the law
is like a woman getting married so her husband can support her other boyfriends, it doesnt work that way.
If you love Jesus you will keep all the laws in his word with all your heart
if you dont love him but are just trying to excape punishment you will say you dont have to keep the law.
like a Boy who his father askes to mow the lawn
He says, I am born into this family and am guaranteed an inheritance so I dont have to do nothing!
right.......
Wont he be surprised.
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Honestly this is the most confusing thread I have ever seen or read... The cross whatever it is, can not compete with The Law handed down by God to Moses for that is Biblical text. The cross is only mentioned in The Bible as a piece of wood Jesus carried when He sacrificed to free us of sin.
Now Christ is the answer, by following His teachings you will follow the what God has asked.
as for the cross... It's wood that's all
If the word cross in this thread is code for God's love and Jesus' sacrifice then that is different but since no one is willing to tell me what the word is a metaphor for its simply wood to me nothing more
Now Christ is the answer, by following His teachings you will follow the what God has asked.
as for the cross... It's wood that's all
If the word cross in this thread is code for God's love and Jesus' sacrifice then that is different but since no one is willing to tell me what the word is a metaphor for its simply wood to me nothing more
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The cross allows you by grace to keep the law
Fulfill means to magnify it
you need to read the next verse
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
heaven is still here and the earth is still hear
fulfill means to guard it and proclaim it
it is the law we need to keep by grace
Fulfill means to magnify it
you need to read the next verse
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
heaven is still here and the earth is still hear
fulfill means to guard it and proclaim it
it is the law we need to keep by grace
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David was inspired and teaches us the lovely law:
"But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night." Psalms 1:2
"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." Psalms 19:7
"The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Psalms 37:31
"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalms 40:8
"Maschil of Asaph. Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth." Psalms 78:1
"For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:" Psalms 78:5
"They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;" Psalms 78:10
"For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob." Psalms 81:4
"If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;" Psalms 89:30
"Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;" Psalms 94:12
"Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?" Psalms 94:20
"And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:" Psalms 105:10
"ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD." Psalms 119:1
"Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law." Psalms 119:18
"Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously." Psalms 119:29
"Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart." Psalms 119:34
"So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever." Psalms 119:44
"The proud have had me greatly in derision: yet have I not declined from thy law." Psalms 119:51
"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law." Psalms 119:53
"I have remembered thy name, O LORD, in the night, and have kept thy law." Psalms 119:55
"The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law." Psalms 119:61
"Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law." Psalms 119:70
"The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver." Psalms 119:72
"Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight." Psalms 119:77
"The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law." Psalms 119:85
"Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction." Psalms 119:92
"MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day." Psalms 119:97
"My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law." Psalms 119:109
"SAMECH. I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love." Psalms 119:113
"It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law." Psalms 119:126
"Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law." Psalms 119:136
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." Psalms 119:142
"They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law." Psalms 119:150
"RESH. Consider mine affliction, and deliver me: for I do not forget thy law." Psalms 119:153
"I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love." Psalms 119:163
"Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them." Psalms 119:165
"I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight." Psalms 119:174
"But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night." Psalms 1:2
"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." Psalms 19:7
"The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Psalms 37:31
"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalms 40:8
"Maschil of Asaph. Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth." Psalms 78:1
"For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:" Psalms 78:5
"They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;" Psalms 78:10
"For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob." Psalms 81:4
"If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;" Psalms 89:30
"Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;" Psalms 94:12
"Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?" Psalms 94:20
"And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:" Psalms 105:10
"ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD." Psalms 119:1
"Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law." Psalms 119:18
"Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously." Psalms 119:29
"Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart." Psalms 119:34
"So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever." Psalms 119:44
"The proud have had me greatly in derision: yet have I not declined from thy law." Psalms 119:51
"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law." Psalms 119:53
"I have remembered thy name, O LORD, in the night, and have kept thy law." Psalms 119:55
"The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law." Psalms 119:61
"Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law." Psalms 119:70
"The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver." Psalms 119:72
"Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight." Psalms 119:77
"The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law." Psalms 119:85
"Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction." Psalms 119:92
"MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day." Psalms 119:97
"My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law." Psalms 119:109
"SAMECH. I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love." Psalms 119:113
"It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law." Psalms 119:126
"Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law." Psalms 119:136
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." Psalms 119:142
"They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law." Psalms 119:150
"RESH. Consider mine affliction, and deliver me: for I do not forget thy law." Psalms 119:153
"I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love." Psalms 119:163
"Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them." Psalms 119:165
"I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight." Psalms 119:174
I get that but what are you challenging them with?
I read everything you say and just don't get what the "cross" is
please just explain what the word means like when you say cross can I replace that with Jesus?
I don't understand why there is a secret code that's not taught in The Bible
I mean no disrespect but how can a young Christian learn if no will give an explanation... You can't explain what the cross is by saying the cross is the answer and things like that. It makes no sense. Is the cross representative of God His love and sacrifice?
I think the Law keepers as you call them may be easier convinced if you spoke clearly.
Or possibly I'm just ignorant
I read everything you say and just don't get what the "cross" is
please just explain what the word means like when you say cross can I replace that with Jesus?
I don't understand why there is a secret code that's not taught in The Bible
I mean no disrespect but how can a young Christian learn if no will give an explanation... You can't explain what the cross is by saying the cross is the answer and things like that. It makes no sense. Is the cross representative of God His love and sacrifice?
I think the Law keepers as you call them may be easier convinced if you spoke clearly.
Or possibly I'm just ignorant
BELIEVE GOD'S WORD!!! ROMANS 6:14-15==For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!==ROMANS 7:6==But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
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I think the common vernacular on the cross means self sacrificing love
That is how I take it.
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
That is how I take it.
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
K
My dear sister and praise God that you are interested in the things of God at 15. My sister the cross is everything. When I say the cross, I do not speak of the wooden beam, but the work that was performed on it by Christ. Christ took all our sins and hung them on the cross. The law called for a lamb without spot or blemish to atone for your sin. It only atoned and did not remove it. The cross removes the sin and your faith in the work of the cross gives you the free gift of righteousness and eternal life. There is nothing else that you can do. No matter how good you are, no matter if you went to church everyday of your life, no matter if you don't work on the Sabbath, no matter if you give your bread to the poor. It is only by faith in the cross, do you understand?