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The creation was put here as an incubator for His children to reach the maturity to be born into His family. The snakes are not here for the snake's sake, they are here as part of the creation to incubate sons and daughters of God...
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
This creation has the important purpose of incubating children for God.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
This creation has the important purpose of incubating children for God.
It's been going throughout the entire time since i've posted it, and i think it's fabulous. It brings issues to the fore that need to be discussed where people need to learn and be educated. That being said, this is a christian chat/discussion website - thriving thread discussion is going to happen.
Normality is itself a relative concept dictated by the consensus of opinion among a particular group or by the everyday behaviour of a particular individual. What is 'normal' to you, however, may be odd or weird to somebody else. That these people (and you) should be treated with dignity and respect depends upon people being accepted as valid human beings as part of an inclusive society. The subjective ideas of the importance of normality - conformity to already existent social stereotypes and pressured trends - has no place in creating such a society, for obvious reasons, as it results in the stigmatisation and exclusion of anybody considered 'not normal'. The idea of normality is an unspoken form of social ranking and in order to treat humans with dignity and respect it should be replaced by ideas of acceptance of the inherent uniqueness of the individual.
The reasons for a person's not 'being normal' or not 'fitting in' have little to do with the excluded individual's own traits and much more to do with the expectations and judgements of those unwilling to accept them. People do not actively exclude themselves, they are excluded by those who would exclude them; by definition exclusion must be carried out by the excluder.
A redefinition of 'normal' is a step not far enough. What we need is a significant shift in perspective towards views that forego ideas of 'normality' in place of acknowledgement of the majority's role in creating social stigma for those who fall outside normality's subjective parameters; admission that partisan viewpoints lead to ultimately factional societies; and a dramatic emphasis on co-operation, replacing fear, anger, offense and vitriol in response to the unusual with genuine interest, understanding and rational thought.
We aren't apes any more. Human hierarchies based on predefined social standards perpetuated by people ignorant of the vast natural divergence of human characteristics are ultimately detrimental to any legitimate progression towards a genuinely just society.
The reasons for a person's not 'being normal' or not 'fitting in' have little to do with the excluded individual's own traits and much more to do with the expectations and judgements of those unwilling to accept them. People do not actively exclude themselves, they are excluded by those who would exclude them; by definition exclusion must be carried out by the excluder.
A redefinition of 'normal' is a step not far enough. What we need is a significant shift in perspective towards views that forego ideas of 'normality' in place of acknowledgement of the majority's role in creating social stigma for those who fall outside normality's subjective parameters; admission that partisan viewpoints lead to ultimately factional societies; and a dramatic emphasis on co-operation, replacing fear, anger, offense and vitriol in response to the unusual with genuine interest, understanding and rational thought.
We aren't apes any more. Human hierarchies based on predefined social standards perpetuated by people ignorant of the vast natural divergence of human characteristics are ultimately detrimental to any legitimate progression towards a genuinely just society.
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What if "normal" to you is having sex with children? How can you stop that if you were born that way? What if "normal" to you is having sex with animals? How can you stop that if you were born that way? its not a matter of "normal".Its a matter of God saying it is wrong.I cant get around that.That is not Gods plan for our lives.Marriage is between a man and a woman.Without being too vulgar we were created with certain parts fit the opposite sex.Sex outside marriage,straight or gay,tends to bring on different sexual diseases.Though not everyone becomes ill it is a constant threat to couples who are having sex outside traditional marriage.
I cannot believe God would create someone to be gay and then turn around and call it an abomination in His Word.We dont hate gays,God doesnt hate gays but He does call the act sin that will keep you out of heaven.Any sin will keep us out of heaven unless we repent.Being gay was not Gods plan for man and woman.Its not what best for us.As humans we confuse what we want with what we need.God knows what we need.We have to trust Him that he created us and He knows the best path for us.
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It comes up because sexual preference is is sexual preference. It has already been argued by some physiologists that those who molest children should not feel guilt about it.They cannot help that that is their predilection and society is being cruel for making them feel guilt. I believe being gay is a choice.You're not a Christian so if I cite where the Bible says its wrong you'll argue black and blue that Im wrong and a horrible person to believe that.I also think the Mormons who believe in having 10 wives will try to get legal rights too.I dont agree with them either so maybe that is a better comparison for you.
It's a faulty correlation to bring up child molesters in this argument and equate them to the LGBT community. Child molesters actively harm others. Child molestation is not consensual, and child molestation is a crime. Bestiality actively harms an animal, bestiality is not consensual, and bestiality is a crime. Going through life with the feeling that you are the wrong sex, or that you are attracted to the same sex, or that you want to be a different sex, is not actively harmful to others, nor criminal.
The passage citing homosexuality as an abomination is found in Leviticus, and while I make no judgement on whether the writings found with in the book are to be taken as God's word thus followed accordingly, I do find it quite suspicious that you take such a harsh stance against homosexuality based on the verses within that book yet do not adhere to the teachings of the various other prohibitions in the book, such as:
Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6, penalty is death by God's hand), tearing your clothes (10:6, again, penalty is death by God's hand), eating pig (11:4-7), touching the dead flesh of a pig (11:8), going to church within 33 days of giving birth to a male (12:4), within 66 of a female (12:5), wearing clothing of mixed fabric (19:19), eating fruit from a tree less than 4 years old (19:23), cutting your hair at the sides (19:27), and selling land (29:23).
This leads me to believe you like to pick and choose which parts of the book to follow, evidenced unambiguously by the verifiable fact that you only adhere to some of the instructions in said book.
The bible also does not prohibit the desire to, or act of, changing one's sex.
The passage citing homosexuality as an abomination is found in Leviticus, and while I make no judgement on whether the writings found with in the book are to be taken as God's word thus followed accordingly, I do find it quite suspicious that you take such a harsh stance against homosexuality based on the verses within that book yet do not adhere to the teachings of the various other prohibitions in the book, such as:
Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6, penalty is death by God's hand), tearing your clothes (10:6, again, penalty is death by God's hand), eating pig (11:4-7), touching the dead flesh of a pig (11:8), going to church within 33 days of giving birth to a male (12:4), within 66 of a female (12:5), wearing clothing of mixed fabric (19:19), eating fruit from a tree less than 4 years old (19:23), cutting your hair at the sides (19:27), and selling land (29:23).
This leads me to believe you like to pick and choose which parts of the book to follow, evidenced unambiguously by the verifiable fact that you only adhere to some of the instructions in said book.
The bible also does not prohibit the desire to, or act of, changing one's sex.
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The difference between a sexual preference for the same sex and a sexual preference for children is that the former doesn't require that in order to live out the desire one must force another human being into a non-consensual situation. That's the reason that drawing such a parallel is offensive, unfair and ignorant.
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You are really wasting your time with non-Christians, possibly atheists and /or member of the LGBT community. The Scripture makes it clear as to how we are to conform and obey norms created by God Himself.
It is an old trick by non-Christians to slant the Scriptures to their advantage when it does give a clear indication of its purpose. Just as quickly as their political base is being established to give them "special rights," it will be quickly destroyed by the Tribulation Period. God will not allow it to stand very long. It is all part of biblical prophecy.
It is an old trick by non-Christians to slant the Scriptures to their advantage when it does give a clear indication of its purpose. Just as quickly as their political base is being established to give them "special rights," it will be quickly destroyed by the Tribulation Period. God will not allow it to stand very long. It is all part of biblical prophecy.
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Okay. Have to throw my 2scents into this pile...
First of all the lgbt community doesnt want "special rights". All we want is to simply be left alone and given the same opportunities as every white christian male wants. Which means in a business atmosphere if were doing the job leave us alone to do our job. What business is our bedroom to you? Do we go into yours and preach about the right way you shoukd be doing things?
Second. Dont accuse us of "slanting" the word when you have no counter for it. It just makes you look foolish and thats a huge problem the xhurch has had these days. I know alot of educated christians so there is source matterial you xan use in these debates. It just takes time and homework in the * gasp* bivle.
Third. Dont sterotype people. There is goid and bad in every group. Yes even christianity. How fair would it be for me to xall all of you child molesters and elder abusers because of a few bad eggs. Yes there are lgbt groups who attack for a belief and some may even want special rights. But they are a minority. Persinally im disgusted how the lgbt groups shut down christian business. But then i am appalled by anyone being shut down for a belief. You want to hate blacks. Fine dont expect my tax dollars to fund ypu when your business goes down
People are being driven away from the church not just because they cant face the truth. But because of the hypocrosy. You want to stand with Christ then treat all sinners the same. Would you beat and kill an alcholoic? We all have our cruches and no one is perfect. But if we try and lay it at the cross and try and repent its amazing what the lord xan do.
First of all the lgbt community doesnt want "special rights". All we want is to simply be left alone and given the same opportunities as every white christian male wants. Which means in a business atmosphere if were doing the job leave us alone to do our job. What business is our bedroom to you? Do we go into yours and preach about the right way you shoukd be doing things?
Second. Dont accuse us of "slanting" the word when you have no counter for it. It just makes you look foolish and thats a huge problem the xhurch has had these days. I know alot of educated christians so there is source matterial you xan use in these debates. It just takes time and homework in the * gasp* bivle.
Third. Dont sterotype people. There is goid and bad in every group. Yes even christianity. How fair would it be for me to xall all of you child molesters and elder abusers because of a few bad eggs. Yes there are lgbt groups who attack for a belief and some may even want special rights. But they are a minority. Persinally im disgusted how the lgbt groups shut down christian business. But then i am appalled by anyone being shut down for a belief. You want to hate blacks. Fine dont expect my tax dollars to fund ypu when your business goes down
People are being driven away from the church not just because they cant face the truth. But because of the hypocrosy. You want to stand with Christ then treat all sinners the same. Would you beat and kill an alcholoic? We all have our cruches and no one is perfect. But if we try and lay it at the cross and try and repent its amazing what the lord xan do.
Yikes!!! 
Let me start out by stating I believe homosexuality is immoral. Having said that, how do you correlate "homosexuality" with "child molestation?" Do you honestly believe it's that slippery of a slope? Do you realize that back when there were interracial marriage laws, people made the same exact statements at the prospect of doing away with those laws??!! To my knowledge, people are still against bestiality and child molestation.
Siting such an ignorant and minority group of researchers who feel child molesters are "born that way" as the stretched bridge to show how and why society will somehow come to accept it is preposterous. I don't even think you truly believe this... or do you?! The majority of people who have molested children were either A.) victims themselves or B.) have control and sexual self-esteem issues (they only feel comfortable in displaying sexual dominance with inferior human beings).
I will do my best to be objective and open-minded to your "linkage" from the acceptance of homosexuality to child molestation. Can you please articulate this for me so that I can understand where you're coming from better?
Let me start out by stating I believe homosexuality is immoral. Having said that, how do you correlate "homosexuality" with "child molestation?" Do you honestly believe it's that slippery of a slope? Do you realize that back when there were interracial marriage laws, people made the same exact statements at the prospect of doing away with those laws??!! To my knowledge, people are still against bestiality and child molestation.
Siting such an ignorant and minority group of researchers who feel child molesters are "born that way" as the stretched bridge to show how and why society will somehow come to accept it is preposterous. I don't even think you truly believe this... or do you?! The majority of people who have molested children were either A.) victims themselves or B.) have control and sexual self-esteem issues (they only feel comfortable in displaying sexual dominance with inferior human beings).
I will do my best to be objective and open-minded to your "linkage" from the acceptance of homosexuality to child molestation. Can you please articulate this for me so that I can understand where you're coming from better?
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It's the entire 'union' as a concept that is the issue on the table. The whole nature of homosexuality is completely wrong whether it's acted on or not, whether it's thoughts, feelings and actions. What business is homosexuality of christians? When you need to be taught to turn your lives over to God and to learn the ways of Jesus, when your sin is a constant the world, of course we're going to stand up and do something about it.
Stand up and tell people it's wrong and that they should change their ways. Don't say, "You're wrong, therefore I'm going to do everything in my power to take away your rights."
If two people of the same gender want to get married, that's their business. And if you believe it spits in the face of God, then let God sort them out. But here on earth you have no reason to make their marriage illegal anymore than anyone should have the ability to take away your right to preach what you feel is right and wrong.
The scriptures are very clear when it comes to homosexuality. But when you feel scripture should be law, then we've got an issue. I believe religion is a personal choice and that any religion that must be forced through government means is too incompetent to stand on its own.
If two people of the same gender want to get married, that's their business. And if you believe it spits in the face of God, then let God sort them out. But here on earth you have no reason to make their marriage illegal anymore than anyone should have the ability to take away your right to preach what you feel is right and wrong.
The scriptures are very clear when it comes to homosexuality. But when you feel scripture should be law, then we've got an issue. I believe religion is a personal choice and that any religion that must be forced through government means is too incompetent to stand on its own.