What keeps us from experiencing the full fruits of the spirit?

[RedTent]

Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

This is what God gives us freely, yet none of us experience the fullness of all of these fruits. What do you think is the barrier between us using all the fruits of the spirit to manage our everyday problems and life?

Some say we receive them by putting on Christ, some say it is through the Holy Spirit, some say it is through filling out minds with scripture and following that, some say it is handled by our free will, and some say that every one of these things must come together. Others have an “only” prescription, like only faith, only repentance, or only Christ without more explanation than the word “Christ”.

Many think that accepting sin in our lives without repentance is a barrier to the fruits, but there is huge disagreement there, too. Some say that to recognize sin through scripture is wrong. Their objection to scripture seems to be that recognizing sin must never come through giving any physical way it is carried out, and they give scripture after scripture of explanations saying God cancelled all He said about sin. Scripture says that to see sin only from a physical viewpoint is wrong and leads to legalistically obeying, and to see sin from only a spiritual viewpoint is also wrong because without any doing of what is right, it makes knowing only useless. Scripture says it takes both.

What do you think?

 

[ji]

Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

This is what God gives us freely, yet none of us experience the fullness of all of these fruits. What do you think is the barrier between us using all the fruits of the spirit to manage our everyday problems and life?

Some say we receive them by putting on Christ, some say it is through the Holy Spirit, some say it is through filling out minds with scripture and following that, some say it is handled by our free will, and some say that every one of these things must come together. Others have an “only” prescription, like only faith, only repentance, or only Christ without more explanation than the word “Christ”.

Many think that accepting sin in our lives without repentance is a barrier to the fruits, but there is huge disagreement there, too. Some say that to recognize sin through scripture is wrong. Their objection to scripture seems to be that recognizing sin must never come through giving any physical way it is carried out, and they give scripture after scripture of explanations saying God cancelled all He said about sin. Scripture says that to see sin only from a physical viewpoint is wrong and leads to legalistically obeying, and to see sin from only a spiritual viewpoint is also wrong because without any doing of what is right, it makes knowing only useless. Scripture says it takes both.

What do you think?

What keeps us from experiencing the full fruits of the spirit? -
self pride
..satan is not even anywhere near us to harm us when we become Christians,he is just there to stimulate us to sin...he is a weakling..nor any other things,
but we ourselves and our promoting of self pride is the problem...
we must put to death the works of flesh,when we start doing that we just start connecting ourselves to the early Apostolic Church life..Its universal not in any denomination or in some geographical area..

 

[followjja]

If you check with what Jesus taught you will get a different result.

If one plants wheat, one expects to harvest wheat. Plant tomatoes, expect to harvest tomatoes, etc.

See Matt 13:24-43. Jesus is the sower, the planter who sows the word of God

Plant the word of God (Jesus is the sower) what do you get? People should be repeating the same words that Jesus spoke.

 

[Least]

If you check with what Jesus taught you will get a different result.

If one plants wheat, one expects to harvest wheat. Plant tomatoes, expect to harvest tomatoes, etc.

See Matt 13:24-43. Jesus is the sower, the planter who sows the word of God

Plant the word of God (Jesus is the sower) what do you get? People should be repeating the same words that Jesus spoke.

Even in the world, a seed planted takes time to grow to maturity.

As Paul wrote..1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

A seed planted doesn't suddenly sprout fruit. Takes time to get to maturity.

Edited to add one more verse:

Mark 4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.

 

[RedTent]

Even in the world, a seed planted takes time to grow to maturity.

As Paul wrote..1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

A seed planted doesn't suddenly sprout fruit. Takes time to get to maturity.

Edited to add one more verse:

Mark 4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.

Are you saying that it is through the words of scripture put in our minds that we reap the fruits?

I have been saying that, with the idea that it is all scripture we must have, so declaring some of it made void is a terrible thing. I found that when I found someone who could explain the culture of the people of the OT to me I could understand the spiritual lessons it was giving. I needed to relate the NT to each chapter, to see how Christ expanded all. then it was like fertilizer for my fruit.

But I still feel something more is required, for I still could react to how others treated me in the wrong way. I seem to need to apply a scripture to a situation. There must be more required.

 

[Least]

Are you saying that it is through the words of scripture put in our minds that we reap the fruits?

I have been saying that, with the idea that it is all scripture we must have, so declaring some of it made void is a terrible thing. I found that when I found someone who could explain the culture of the people of the OT to me I could understand the spiritual lessons it was giving. I needed to relate the NT to each chapter, to see how Christ expanded all. then it was like fertilizer for my fruit.

But I still feel something more is required, for I still could react to how others treated me in the wrong way. I seem to need to apply a scripture to a situation. There must be more required.

I agree completely, Jesus did say that "the word is the seed," In Luke 8:11, when He explained the parable to the disciples plainly.

He also said that we should live on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. At that time, the only scriptures they had were the OT scriptures. We definitely shouldn't reject any part of it.

I still struggle with how I react with others at times too.

I've considered that some things come with practice, like the passage where Paul says to take every thought into captivity that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, sometimes getting frustrated and angry can do just that...cause us to be exalted in our own hearts.

So then I read a passage about practicing our faith, and having our faith exercised. Actually there's quite a bit in the word on this subject.

God gives us things to be exercised with. (Ecc 1: 13-14) (sometimes the very situations that upset us...could be part of that exercise? mabye?)

The bible speaks about exercising godliness (1 Timothy 4:8 )

And exercising our senses to discern both good and evil (Hebrews 5:14)

Just my thoughts, but it seems to me that it goes along with being doers of the word and not hearers only, to apply these things in different situations especially when we know how short we come in these areas.

I personally step back and ask God to help me handle these situations His way, but still there are times when I don't. Perhaps that's part of the fruit maturing.

 

[Least]

Was just thinking this after I posted...

In the parable of the seed sower, the seed fell on different kinds of ground.

Some fell by the wayside, Perhaps seeds of the word that weren't taken seriously or half heatedly.

Some fell on stony ground where there was no deepness of ground, so the root of the seed couldn't be established to begin with. With a seed planted on that type of ground..."when the sun came up it withered," Perhaps this has to be with not being grounded in the word? Just my thought.

Some fell among thorns, I am convinced that thorns are lies or doubt, and those things choke out the truth of the word.

And the some fell on good ground...

Those are the seeds that produce good fruit.

The bible even gives examples of seeds planted that aren't good....but that's another topic.....I guess.

 

[Least]

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luke 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

 

[Simiel]

When you deny yourself and get in a relationship with the Farther you will bear these fruits.

 

[just-me]

Was just thinking this after I posted...

In the parable of the seed sower, the seed fell on different kinds of ground.

Some fell by the wayside, Perhaps seeds of the word that weren't taken seriously or half heatedly.

Some fell on stony ground where there was no deepness of ground, so the root of the seed couldn't be established to begin with. With a seed planted on that type of ground..."when the sun came up it withered," Perhaps this has to be with not being grounded in the word? Just my thought.

Some fell among thorns, I am convinced that thorns are lies or doubt, and those things choke out the truth of the word.

And the some fell on good ground...

Those are the seeds that produce good fruit.

The bible even gives examples of seeds planted that aren't good....but that's another topic.....I guess.

Excellent!!! The good ground is not just there for the seed to be planted. The ground/heart needs to be prepared.

Leviticus 26:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

Galatians 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Obviously there needed to be a preparation time for God's plan to have full effect, and it is also true in our lives.

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[RedTent]

Thank you all, especially you, Least. Truth has such beauty it makes me cry with awe, and truth put in words of today and applied to our lives has such complete beauty. You are all helping me grow, I know others will grow, too.

 

[just-me]

When you deny yourself and get in a relationship with the Farther you will bear these fruits.

James 4:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
1 Peter 5:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Jesus has the power to re-position us out from underneath the curse of the law. WE move, and His word stands forever! AMEN!

 

[Least]

Thank you all, especially you, Least. Truth has such beauty it makes me cry with awe, and truth put in words of today and applied to our lives has such complete beauty. You are all helping me grow, I know others will grow, too.

Thank you for posting this topic! I'm edified too not only here but in so much that you share sis. When we come together without strife and debate God's word speaks more clearly than any of us. How wonderful His word is. How wonderful HIS instruction. From beginning to end.

 

[Least]

The good ground is not just there for the seed to be planted. The ground/heart needs to be prepared.

Leviticus 26:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

Galatians 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Obviously there needed to be a preparation time for God's plan to have full effect, and it is also true in our lives.

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

AMEN!!! Thank you for these verses. "The Lord is not slack concerning HIS promise", reminds me that HE is faithful to finish the good word that HE has started in us.

 

[crossnote]

John 15:4-6 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

This is what God gives us freely, yet none of us experience the fullness of all of these fruits. What do you think is the barrier between us using all the fruits of the spirit to manage our everyday problems and life?

Some say we receive them by putting on Christ, some say it is through the Holy Spirit, some say it is through filling out minds with scripture and following that, some say it is handled by our free will, and some say that every one of these things must come together. Others have an “only” prescription, like only faith, only repentance, or only Christ without more explanation than the word “Christ”.

Many think that accepting sin in our lives without repentance is a barrier to the fruits, but there is huge disagreement there, too. Some say that to recognize sin through scripture is wrong. Their objection to scripture seems to be that recognizing sin must never come through giving any physical way it is carried out, and they give scripture after scripture of explanations saying God cancelled all He said about sin. Scripture says that to see sin only from a physical viewpoint is wrong and leads to legalistically obeying, and to see sin from only a spiritual viewpoint is also wrong because without any doing of what is right, it makes knowing only useless. Scripture says it takes both.

What do you think?

All the fruit of the spirit is serving others, or love.

Our problem is we are still to self focused (carnal) when this happens we can not do the fruit of the spirit.

 

[Powemm]

I agree red tent, it takes both... believing God and "application" of his instructions

 

[Stephen63]

2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV) [SUP]14 [/SUP]If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

What wicked ways? We see apostasy due to the great influx of false doctrine & leaving the Word altogether..... believing we're Spirit led against the Word...... doing what's right in our own eyes.

Colossians 2:18-23 (NASB) [SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, [SUP]21 [/SUP]"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!" [SUP]22 [/SUP](which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.

Colossians 2:18-23 (NLT) [SUP]18 [/SUP]Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it. [SUP]20 [/SUP]You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? [SUP]22 [/SUP]Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. [SUP]23 [/SUP]These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.

 

[jb]

You can find a bit of a study Here on the fruit of the Spirit (and the works of the flesh)...

Yahweh Shalom...

 

[TheTruthAboutTheTruth]

The Main reason why is our pride