Daniel 9:27

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watcher2013

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When and what was the transgression of Israel?
Did it says in Isaiah what are the transgressions?
*[[Isa 53:10-12]] KJV* %v 10% Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. %v 11% He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. %v 12% Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 
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Did it says in Isaiah what are the transgressions?
*[[Isa 53:10-12]] KJV* %v 10% Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. %v 11% He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. %v 12% Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
I think that might have been for that time period, but I believe Daniel is prophetic of the last days. In my opinion the transgression was the rejection of Jesus.
 

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I think that might have been for that time period, but I believe Daniel is prophetic of the last days. In my opinion the transgression was the rejection of Jesus.
Daniel 9:24-27 vision was for:
1. Thy people
2. Thy holy city

the duration to finish the sins up to messiah was 69 weeks. (as reference to thy people in no. 1)
The duration for (confirmation of covenant in lev.26 or destruction of city and its desolation) was 1week (as referenced to thy holy city in no. 2)

Obviously the city must be rebuild first because it was in ruined during the vision.

It did not said it was for the last days, having said that, peter at pentecost refenced Joel saying it was the last days.
 

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The Hebrew below is for those who may be interested. It says he will make an agreement (covenant) with many inhabitants. Since this beast will be heading the world, I have always taken this to refer to inhabitants of the earth, not just Israel, although all will be centered in the Israel of this age.

I believe all who love Jesus Christ will understand what is happening implicitely come the time of this beast. God will not leave His children of light in the dark, ever. He is always good to all, amen.


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i am thankful that i am not learned. What i know is merely what He told me.

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The Hebrew below is for those who may be interested. It says he will make an agreement (covenant) with many inhabitants. Since this beast will be heading the world, I have always taken this to refer to inhabitants of the earth, not just Israel, although all will be centered in the Israel of this age.


Is this the topic statement?
Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people [Daniel's people] and upon thy holy city, . . . .


 
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Anti-Christ Dies In Battle But Is Resurrected by the Devil:
(Which is the result of Israel & Rome breaking their Covenant with him):
(Also, Anti-Christ's Resurrection Begins the Surviving Tribulation Saint's 1,335 Day of Testing):


Daniel 11:30a and Daniel 11:30b DRB (Douay-Rheims Bible)
For the ships of... the Romans shall come upon him, and he shall be struck, and shall return, and shall have indignation against the covenant of the sanctuary, and he shall succeed: and he shall return and shall devise against them that have forsaken the covenant of the sanctuary.

Revelation 13:1-3a

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast that I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:

Revelation 17:8 NLT

The beast you saw was once alive but isn't now. And yet he will soon come up out of the bottomless pit and go to eternal destruction. And the people who belong to this world, whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made, will be amazed at the reappearance of this beast who had died.​


Commentary - Daniel 11:30


If you end up studying the End Times, you will discover that most End Times teachers will tell you that it is the Anti-Christ will be the one who will break the seven year covenant with the Jews. However, in Daniel 11:30, it states, "and he shall return and shall devise against them that have forsaken the covenant of the sanctuary." In other words, it will be certain nations who will forsake the seven year treaty that causes the antichrist to attack the Jews and the Romans. I believe the Jews and the Romans will be among those nations who will end up breaking the covenant with the antichrist. So in a way the Jews will be paying the price in breaking the treaty. This sort of reminds me of the story of King Zedekiah. For God warned King Zedekiah from the beginning of his reign that his only hope was in submitting to Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 27:1-11). Jeremiah pleaded with the king to listen to God and to ignore the false prophets. However, Zedekiah made a deal with the Egyptians to rescue Judah against the warnings of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 37:1-10). Therefore, because of his stubbornness, the Egyptians retreated and Jerusalem was sieged and people died.


Commentary - Daniel 12:12 ISV and Daniel 12:12 NIV


I believe it is a possibility that the saints will be tested the moment the anti-christ is resurrected and appears publicly. For the anti-christ will more than likely tell everyone that he has survived betrayal from his very own allies (i.e. the Jews and the Romans) and will encourage all people, including many of the world's professing Christians into following him. This will start the "great falling away" or "apostasy" in many Christian churches and the day of testing for the true Christian will then begin. In fact, Daniel 12:12 says... "Blessed is the one who perseveres...and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." So the blessed one or the saint who will survive for 1,335 days will begin their day of testing with the public arrival of the resurrected Anti-Christ and it will end when Christ gathers the remaining Elect who are still living on the Earth near the end of the 7 year Tribulation.


 
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"Days of Vengeance":


Anti-Christ's Armed Forces Attack Jerusalem:


Luke 21:20-24a

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:


Commentary - Luke 21:24a


Luke 21:24a says, "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword"; What is interesting about this passage is that there are a lot of Christians that immediately assume that these words must be referring to the time of the Temple Destruction in 70 AD because we do not use swords in battle anymore. First off, Revelation 6:3 says that the Red horseman was given a great sword and took peace from the earth and so that people could kill one another. When you read this passage, this is obviously not referring to a bladed weapon but an unknown weapon that causes great destruction. So the reference of the "edge of the sword" is a phrase used by the author Luke to describe the only offensive weapon he knew about in battle during his life time. Second, as you can see from the photo below in a recent Investment article, the miltary still uses bayonets...





In fact, according to the article, the Army said it currently stocks more than 415,000 bayonets and the Marines possess 195,000 more with plans to buy an additional 175,000.


So is it possible that bayonets could be used in this future battle? Absolutely!
For bayonets are still in use today!


Article Source:
Obama's bid to school Romney on the military backfires big-time by Andrew Malcolm - Investors.com


The Middle of the Tribulation:
(Also Known As the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):
(Last Month of the 1st Half of the Tribulation):
(30 Days Before the Midpoint Day of the Tribulation):


Anti-Christ Takes Jerusalem & The Temple Sacrifices Are Stopped:
(And the Gentile Nations Will Trod Down Upon the City for 42 Months):
(This capture of Jerusalem will happen 30 days prior to the Abomination of Desolation and this 42 month period of the "Trodding Down of the Gentiles" will conclude upon the completion of the 6th Trumpet with 30 more days left until the end of Daniel's 70th Week):


Daniel 11:31a NIV

His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice.

Daniel 12:11a NLT and Daniel 12:11b NLT

From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped... there will be 1,290 days.

Revelation 11:2 NLT

The nations ... will trample the holy city for 42 months.

Midpoint Day of the Tribulation:
(Continuation of the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):


The Anti-Christ Sets Up the Abomination of Desolation in the Jewish Temple:


Matthew 24:15-22

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand): Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Mark 13:14-20

But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



A Select Group of Jews Flee to the Mountains:
(Which can also be referred to as "the wilderness" within the Scriptures)


Revelation 12:6

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three score days.

Revelation 12:14-16

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
 
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Actually, I forgot to mention this first. This takes place before all that. Which is...

The Beginning of Sorrows Begins - The First Seal:

The Anti-Christ Comes Forth:
(Being a Savior to the Entire World by possibly stopping Destructive Nations):

Revelation 6:1-2

The First Seal Opened


And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four living creatures saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Daniel 7:8 GWT (God's Word)

A little horn... had eyes like human eyes and a mouth that spoke impressive things.

Daniel 7:25 ASV (American Standard Version)

And he shall think to change the times and the law

Daniel 7:24 DRB (Douay-Rheims Bible)

And the ten horns of the same kingdom, shall be ten kings: and another shall rise up after them, and he shall be mightier than the former, and he shall bring down three kings.


Anti-Christ Makes A Peaceful Covenant With Israel & Other Nations:

Daniel 8:25 and Daniel 11:21

"By peace he shall destroy many," and "he shall come in peaceably and obtain the kingdom by flatteries"

Daniel 9:27a

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

The Jews Have 220 Days of Uninterrupted Sacrifice in The Temple:
(See an explanation on this here).
 
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Anti-Christ Dies In Battle But Is Resurrected by the Devil:
(Which is the result of Israel & Rome breaking their Covenant with him):
(Also, Anti-Christ's Resurrection Begins the Surviving Tribulation Saint's 1,335 Day of Testing):


Daniel 11:30a and Daniel 11:30b DRB (Douay-Rheims Bible)
For the ships of... the Romans shall come upon him, and he shall be struck, and shall return, and shall have indignation against the covenant of the sanctuary, and he shall succeed: and he shall return and shall devise against them that have forsaken the covenant of the sanctuary.

Revelation 13:1-3a

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast that I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:

Revelation 17:8 NLT

The beast you saw was once alive but isn't now. And yet he will soon come up out of the bottomless pit and go to eternal destruction. And the people who belong to this world, whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made, will be amazed at the reappearance of this beast who had died.​


Commentary - Daniel 11:30


If you end up studying the End Times, you will discover that most End Times teachers will tell you that it is the Anti-Christ will be the one who will break the seven year covenant with the Jews. However, in Daniel 11:30, it states, "and he shall return and shall devise against them that have forsaken the covenant of the sanctuary." In other words, it will be certain nations who will forsake the seven year treaty that causes the antichrist to attack the Jews and the Romans. I believe the Jews and the Romans will be among those nations who will end up breaking the covenant with the antichrist. So in a way the Jews will be paying the price in breaking the treaty. This sort of reminds me of the story of King Zedekiah. For God warned King Zedekiah from the beginning of his reign that his only hope was in submitting to Nebuchadnezzar (Jeremiah 27:1-11). Jeremiah pleaded with the king to listen to God and to ignore the false prophets. However, Zedekiah made a deal with the Egyptians to rescue Judah against the warnings of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 37:1-10). Therefore, because of his stubbornness, the Egyptians retreated and Jerusalem was sieged and people died.


Commentary - Daniel 12:12 ISV and Daniel 12:12 NIV


I believe it is a possibility that the saints will be tested the moment the anti-christ is resurrected and appears publicly. For the anti-christ will more than likely tell everyone that he has survived betrayal from his very own allies (i.e. the Jews and the Romans) and will encourage all people, including many of the world's professing Christians into following him. This will start the "great falling away" or "apostasy" in many Christian churches and the day of testing for the true Christian will then begin. In fact, Daniel 12:12 says... "Blessed is the one who perseveres...and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." So the blessed one or the saint who will survive for 1,335 days will begin their day of testing with the public arrival of the resurrected Anti-Christ and it will end when Christ gathers the remaining Elect who are still living on the Earth near the end of the 7 year Tribulation.


Where do you find a seven year tribulation in the bible?
 

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People wiser than you and I have come to the great tribulation as totaling seven years from the information afforded by the Holy Scriptures. Perhaps because it is not written for us as just plain old seven years some do not see it, but I for one, believe it is to be seven years. Show it is not. Meanwhile I will have to go with the wisdom of these spirit filled men.

Where do you find a seven year tribulation in the bible?
 
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People wiser than you and I have come to the great tribulation as totaling seven years from the information afforded by the Holy Scriptures. Perhaps because it is not written for us as just plain old seven years some do not see it, but I for one, believe it is to be seven years. Show it is not. Meanwhile I will have to go with the wisdom of these spirit filled men.


Originally Posted by KJV1611

Where do you find a seven year tribulation in the bible?
I wouldn't call them wiser... more like greedy. They're making a fortune selling books on this. I don't trust any mans view on scripture, I study the bible to make sure they're not trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
 

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Just curious, do you come to the time of the Beast being six years? Thanks........

I wouldn't call them wiser... more like greedy. They're making a fortune selling books on this. I don't trust any mans view on scripture, I study the bible to make sure they're not trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
 
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I wouldn't call them wiser... more like greedy. They're making a fortune selling books on this. I don't trust any mans view on scripture, I study the bible to make sure they're not trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
People make fortunes selling KJV Bibles. Doesn't make the KJV bad; And not every Christian who is into Eschatology or the Study of the End Times agrees with each other exactly on how the events unfold in Daniels 70th week.
 
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Just curious, do you come to the time of the Beast being six years? Thanks........
I don't know for sure, it depends on when the two witnesses (Old Testament & New Testament) have finished their testimony. As I see the state of the church today, the falling away, it does seem like the time of the two witnesses is over. I can not say that for certain though. So to answer your question, yes I think the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit in the last 7 years... the last 7 years not being the "Seven Year" tribulation, the tribulation has been going on since Christ left.
 
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Just curious, do you come to the time of the Beast being six years? Thanks........
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Exodus 16:26 Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”

Romans 6:21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!

2 Corinthians 9:6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

God was referring to man as the beast, his six day creation. The mark represent the fruits of man's labor and the years him and his works will reign through out the land.
 
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People make fortunes selling KJV Bibles. Doesn't make the KJV bad; And not every Christian who is into Eschatology or the Study of the End Times agrees with each other exactly on how the events unfold in Daniels 70th week.
I agree there are many views on end times. But just because someone writes a book on end times doesn't mean their view is right. My advise is don't read end times books to understand the end times, read the bible.
 
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I wouldn't call them wiser... more like greedy. They're making a fortune selling books on this. I don't trust any mans view on scripture, I study the bible to make sure they're not trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

"In the Midst of the Week." Now that we have defined these terms, let us reread Daniel 9:27:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

I want you to notice one thing. The abomination of desolation splits the seven years in half. In other words, it occurs at the three-and-one-half year point, three and one-half years before Christ returns to earth.

Think about it now. Doesn't this tell us the time? If your lover went overseas and was scheduled to return in three and one-half years, wouldn't you have the date circled in red on your calendar? Likewise, if I were on earth during the tribulation, and if I spotted the abomination of desolation, I would immediately count three and one-half years and I would know the time of Christ's return Simple isn't it? What prevents me from doing that?

"Forty-two Months."
Well, three and one-half years is only approximate, you say. That still doesn't give away the exact day.
Is it only approximate? Or did God really mean three and one-half years exactly?

I think I see another missing piece peeking out at me. Ah, look at this one. Revelation 13:5 says:

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

Forty-two months! How long is that? Exactly three and one-half years.

"Twelve Hundred Sixty Days."
Oh, but forty-two months still doesn't tell us much, you say. Some months have thirty days, some thirty-one, one has twenty-eight; so that still doesn't reveal the exact day.
Don't give up yet. Look! I spy another missing piece. Revelation 12:6 says:

"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

"A Thousand Two Hundred and Threescore Days." Oh, the beauty and harmony of God's Word! How long is 1260 days? Precisely 42 months or 3½ years. The Biblical month, therefore, is thirty days long. (See also Genesis 7:11 and 8:3–4 where 150 days are five months.)

When God said three and one-half years, He meant it after all, right down to the very day.

Source:
The Rapture Solution - Will Believers Know the Day?
(Side Note: I provided this source not because I believe everything this person says on the topic of Eschatology; In fact, this person does not believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture (Which I believe is supported by a ton of verses in Scripture). I provided the source to show you that I am not providing a cookie cutter biased account that you seen from most Eschatology teachers).

 
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But make no mistake, though. The source I provided is dead wrong about denying the Pre-Trib Rapture. There are tons of verses supporting the Pre-Trib Rapture. Not just a few. Tons.