Are we already in the temple?

[1still_waters]

I need some interpretative assistance. Let me bounce an idea off of you all. I need to know the theological implications.

Here we go.

Revelation 21 says...

22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb

The LORD God the Almighty and the Lamb are the temple.

Are Christians/believers/what ever word you want to use to describe the saved, are they already in the temple considering the fact that the Lamb and the LORD God the Almighty are the temple in Rev 21?

Christians are already described as being in Christ.

Romans 8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 1 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

Is it a terrible leap in reason to reach that conclusion?
What are the theological implications?

 

[StoneThrower]

I'd say no, we are in Christ, but we are not in the very presence of God we are earth bound at the moment. I knew where you were going by the title. I don't think it gains us anything by suggesting that and it would cause confusion and Gods not the author of confusion. Would it be heresy no, but it would be abhorrent. At best its an over spiritualizing of things and just violates a Historical, Grammatical, hermeneutic of interpreting scripture.

 

[1still_waters]

I'd say no, we are in Christ, but we are not in the very presence of God we are earth bound at the moment. I knew where you were going by the title. I don't think it gains us anything by suggesting that and it would cause confusion and Gods not the author of confusion. Would it be heresy no, but it would be abhorrent. At best its an over spiritualizing of things and just violates a Historical, Grammatical, hermeneutic of interpreting scripture.

Thanks. Good thoughts.

I appreciate input when I'm trying to connect dots. Some of these dots don't need to be connected to each other.

 

[Jackson123]

[h=1]God is a temple. and We want to be in the temple. And ya what we do is prove we not in the temple yet.

We not doing what we want.

Also we are suppose to be the temple too. And yet by examine myself I perfectly understand that I am not a good temple.

1 Corinthians 6:19[/h][h=1]98% of America to Be Impacted by Military Project (moneymorning)

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[h=2]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghostwhich is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[/h]

 

[Timeline]

Revelation 21:25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

1 Thessalonians 5:5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;

 

[1still_waters]

Revelation 21:25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

1 Thessalonians 5:5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;

Thanks for muddying the waters.
Jk.

I'll take that into consideration.
Although I'm cautious in letting the 1 thes verse interpret the Rev 21 verse.

 

[Timeline]

Revelation 21:25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

1 Thessalonians 5:5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

 

[1still_waters]

BTW this is one of the times I find this type of forum super super useful.
Because when I start trying to connect dots, I have a guzillion opinions I can hear from.
I'm one of these folks who thinks God educates through people in His church, and not just through sitting alone in the woods waiting around for a light from above. I mean that didn't end too well for ole Joseph Smith...

 

[Timeline]

It wasn't until just recently that I realized that Paul went to Arabia (I knew that part), but that Mt. Sinai was in Arabia. Why did he go to Arabia?

Galatians 1:15-17
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased [SUP]16 [/SUP]to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, [SUP]17 [/SUP]nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.


Galatians 4:25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

Acts 3:17-26
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, [SUP]21 [/SUP]whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ [SUP]24 [/SUP]And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days. [SUP]25 [/SUP]It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ [SUP]26 [/SUP]For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

Luke 16:16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

Sorry if this seems to be off topic, but ultimately, I don't think that it is.

 

[2Thewaters]

I need some interpretative assistance. Let me bounce an idea off of you all. I need to know the theological implications.

Here we go.

Revelation 21 says...


The LORD God the Almighty and the Lamb are the temple.

Are Christians/believers/what ever word you want to use to describe the saved, are they already in the temple considering the fact that the Lamb and the LORD God the Almighty are the temple in Rev 21?

Christians are already described as being in Christ.


Is it a terrible leap in reason to reach that conclusion?
What are the theological implications?

Those who are sealed with the spirit and faultless in christ the word of God, are with him.
He is in the temple on Sabbath. Where are you?

 

[Timeline]

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

Sorry, this is Romans 13......but y'all probably already knew that.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

Considering the circumstances thats about as logical as it gets.

 

[1still_waters]

It wasn't until just recently that I realized that Paul went to Arabia (I knew that part), but that Mt. Sinai was in Arabia. Why did he go to Arabia?

Galatians 1:15-17
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased [SUP]16 [/SUP]to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, [SUP]17 [/SUP]nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus.


Galatians 4:25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

Acts 3:17-26
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, [SUP]21 [/SUP]whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ [SUP]24 [/SUP]And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days. [SUP]25 [/SUP]It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ [SUP]26 [/SUP]For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

Luke 16:16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

Sorry if this seems to be off topic, but ultimately, I don't think that it is.

OUCH! The below sinks a few theological hobby horses.
Galatians 4:25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

 

[crossnote]

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by the way which he dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having a great priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience: and having our body washed with pure water,
(Heb 10:18-22)

We enter by faith not yet having seen it (only from 'afar') but will one day actually fully experience it. Even as we 'see' Jesus by faith, one day face to face.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

revelation 21:9..."Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, 'Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.' And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God"

we are the new jerusalem...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

OUCH! The below sinks a few theological hobby horses.
Galatians 4:25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

also compare that verse with this passage...

hebrews 12:18-24..."For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command, 'If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.' And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, 'I am full of fear and trembling.' But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel."

 

[2Thewaters]

There are 144,000 in the temple
the rest remain in the outer courts.
Why?
Because the 144,000 are the only ones who follow Jesus everywhere he goes by the word of God

they do everything Jesus says in the word of God they are special servants who obey promptly and quickly
you can be one also if you believe and follow the word of God

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with churches; for they are set apart and sanctified following Jesus alone. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among the churches,
being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile (NO SIN AT ALL):
for they are without fault WITHOUT ANY KIND OF SIN)
before the throne of God.

these are the obedient army of Jowl chapter 2.

Notice they follow the lamb wherever he goes!

where does Jesus go on the seventh day of the week?

Luke 4:16 and, as [JESUS'] custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

So since Jesus changes not...
and his custom is to keep the seventh day Sabbath
as he did with adam and eve
and noah
and abraham
and as he promised in the last days his 144,000 wil be keeping the Sabbath

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." -Revelation 12:17.


"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." -Revelation 14:12.


also///

Since the 144,000 keep the Sabbath
and Jesus keeps the Sabbath
doesnt it make sense they are both in the temple on sabbath?

the only way to follow Jesus wherever he goes 7 days a week is to keep the Sabbath
there is no other way

if you are a pope day keeper you could only follow him 5 days out of the week and pope day you would be in the temple and Jesus would not be there
and on Sabbath would be in the temple and you would not be there

so 5 out of 7 is not following him 7/7

sso basically
pope day keepers cannot be one of the 144,000

no dispute on this, there it is.


The 144,000 are Sabbath keeping Jews by adoption through Jesus.

there will be 144,000

the only question is
will you be one of them.

now you can understand better:

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." -Revelation 12:17.


"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." -Revelation 14:12.

and the other peope will get really mad at them

 

[1still_waters]

also compare that verse with this passage...

hebrews 12:18-24..."For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. For they could not bear the command, 'If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.' And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, 'I am full of fear and trembling.' But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel."

So first century Jerusalem was viewed as a slave in bondage.

we are the new jerusalem...

The first century church was viewed as the new Jerusalem.
The LORD God the Almighty and The Lamb were viewed as the temple to the first century church.

The pieces continue to fall into place?

 

[JesusChica1991]

I agree. There will be no literal Third Temple. Although it is said that the Jews are building a third temple, I'm not sure exactly how truly accurate that is. Christ is the third Temple. God tore that curtain in the Temple to symbolize that there is no longer a separation between Yahweh God and His sheep for a reason.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Temple was the place where the very presence of God and mankind could come together. it showed how horrible mans sin was, and how depraved his situation is that only one man,k only once a year could enter the presence of God, and only after certain things were completed, and even then. only if done 100 % correct (anything short. the high priest would die immediately after entering the presence of God, which brought out the fact the priests had to tie a rope to the high priest so if he did die, they could pull his corpse out)

The OT temple was a shadow of Christ. WHo would be that means by which man could enter into a relationship with God. When Israel did not follow God and worship him as God. His presence left the temple. their relationship was severed. (this is proven by the fact that after a period of time. Sinful high priests could enter the inner sanctum and would live, and not die as they should have)

Now thanks To Christ fulfilling that temple symbol. We have the ability to BOLDLY enter the throne room of Grace and come to the presence of God (yes here on earth) as our true high priest. whi speaks to God the father on our behalf.