Healing without asking or Prayer?

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Graybeard

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I have just had an experience that I can'y explain as to why?
From time to time I get very painful in my left index finger joint, this has been occurring for a few years now. I have always suspected it to be early stages of arthritis.
I was sitting by my computer browsing Christian Chat when my wife asked me to make some tea (not in a demanding way for those who may think:)) so I made some tea, brought it to her and sat down, my finger was throbbing so I casually told her that my finger joint was very painful throughout the day and she replied...."arthritis?"
without a thought I answered "NO!, symptoms of it.....I won't except it is arthritis" and intermediately the pain just left, I stared at the finger, grabbed it with my other hand and bent it sideways..GONE..no pain! Praise God!

I have no doubt that The Lord healed it there and then but my question is:
Is there any healings/miracles in the Bible that happened without anyone asking or any prayer specifically for that ailment/sickness?
Do you think that the moment I audibly did not accept it that faith was manifested?
In other words..WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Please give opinions but scripture as always are good.
 
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Graybeard said:
I have just had an experience that I can'y explain as to why?
From time to time I get very painful in my left index finger joint, this has been occurring for a few years now. I have always suspected it to be early stages of arthritis.
I was sitting by my computer browsing Christian Chat when my wife asked me to make some tea (not in a demanding way for those who may think:)) so I made some tea, brought it to her and sat down, my finger was throbbing so I casually told her that my finger joint was very painful throughout the day and she replied...."arthritis?"
without a thought I answered "NO!, symptoms of it.....I won't except it is arthritis" and intermediately the pain just left, I stared at the finger, grabbed it with my other hand and bent it sideways..GONE..no pain! Praise God!

I have no doubt that The Lord healed it there and then but my question is:
Is there any healings/miracles in the Bible that happened without anyone asking or any prayer specifically for that ailment/sickness?
Do you think that the moment I audibly did not accept it that faith was manifested?
In other words..WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Please give opinions but scripture as always are good.
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explain why or how God works, ok that should be easy, LOL.. Some say that we have to speak things, some say we can even speak curses upon ourselves just as you didn't want to claim the arthritis, But I feel that this was done because you did something nice for someone so God rewarded you by doing something for you, Heb 11:6 we must believe that He is , and that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him. but when we do these good deeds we are not to exspect God to physically reward us but yet lay us up treasures in heaven, now the pain being taken away was what is called a handful of purpose, when we exspect something in return then we did the deed for the wrong reason.
 
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Graybeard said:
I have just had an experience that I can'y explain as to why?
From time to time I get very painful in my left index finger joint, this has been occurring for a few years now. I have always suspected it to be early stages of arthritis.
I was sitting by my computer browsing Christian Chat when my wife asked me to make some tea (not in a demanding way for those who may think:)) so I made some tea, brought it to her and sat down, my finger was throbbing so I casually told her that my finger joint was very painful throughout the day and she replied...."arthritis?"
without a thought I answered "NO!, symptoms of it.....I won't except it is arthritis" and intermediately the pain just left, I stared at the finger, grabbed it with my other hand and bent it sideways..GONE..no pain! Praise God!

I have no doubt that The Lord healed it there and then but my question is:
Is there any healings/miracles in the Bible that happened without anyone asking or any prayer specifically for that ailment/sickness?
Do you think that the moment I audibly did not accept it that faith was manifested?
In other words..WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Please give opinions but scripture as always are good.
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Yes there is. The woman with the blood condition never asked for prayer, Jesus was passing by and she touched the hem of His garment and received her healing. (Mark 5:23-36) Jesus responded, "Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace and be healed of your affliction." Another instance is when Peter's shadow healed people. (Acts 5:12-16)

Some people actually get healed of their sickness from just reading scriptures about God desiring to heal people, or actually hearing from God. (Proverbs 4:20-22).

It is the healing Presence of the Holy Spirit that heals physical ailments. Whenever something happens to initiate His healing Presence, it is normal for disease and physical injuries to be healed.

In your case I think it may have been your faith and acknowledgment of the truth that your arthritis was not God's will for your life; that initiated His healing Presence to heal your finger. The woman with the issue with blood was healed instantly because of her faith, and it seems you were too. :)
 
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Thaddaeus said:
explain why or how God works, ok that should be easy, LOL.. Some say that we have to speak things, some say we can even speak curses upon ourselves just as you didn't want to claim the arthritis, But I feel that this was done because you did something nice for someone so God rewarded you by doing something for you, Heb 11:6 we must believe that He is , and that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him. but when we do these good deeds we are not to exspect God to physically reward us but yet lay us up treasures in heaven, now the pain being taken away was what is called a handful of purpose, when we exspect something in return then we did the deed for the wrong reason.
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thanks for replying, Not sure what nice thing I could have done for someone, maybe a few days back or so, still a nice thought.
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Yes there is. The woman with the blood condition never asked for prayer, Jesus was passing by and she touched the hem of His garment and received her healing. (Mark 5:23-36) Jesus responded, "Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace and be healed of your affliction." Another instance is when Peter's shadow healed people. (Acts 5:12-16)

Some people actually get healed of their sickness from just reading scriptures about God desiring to heal people, or actually hearing from God. (Proverbs 4:20-22).

It is the healing Presence of the Holy Spirit that heals physical ailments. Whenever something happens to initiate His healing Presence, it is normal for disease and physical injuries to be healed.

In your case I think it may have been your faith and acknowledgment of the truth that your arthritis was not God's will for your life; that initiated His healing Presence to heal your finger. The woman with the issue with blood was healed instantly because of her faith, and it seems you were too. :)
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Thanks, but it was different, the woman with the blood condition was seeking healing. Peters shadow, the people were all seeking healing...the amazing thing is that I was not even thinking about praying or healing.
 
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I must say that some who read this thread may think it trivial, a small insignificant thing. I mean c'mon...some pain in a finger! but I honestly feel that some enlightenment(don't like using that word) can come out of it, so he who has wisdom please share.
speak about wisdom, I might add that earlier before coming on CC, I prayed for The Lord to give me wisdom and understanding of a certain thread I'm really concerned about...perhaps that had something to do with it?

I should also say that I believe there is power that we do not realize in our words.
 
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thanks for replying, Not sure what nice thing I could have done for someone, maybe a few days back or so, still a nice thought.


Thanks, but it was different, the woman with the blood condition was seeking healing. Peters shadow, the people were all seeking healing...the amazing thing is that I was not even thinking about praying or healing.
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you got your wife some tea , you stop what you were doing and became a servant to someone else , thats something nice.
 
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The trouble with Benny Boy- (Benny Hinn) :)


Real, biblical miracles and healings- are 100 percent healing, basically instant and permanent. These are real healings.. the birth of a child you could claim as a kind of a 'miracle' but it isn't a biblical one.. and there are numerous other examples of this too.

Anyway.. the trouble with Benny Boy is if he really had the gift of miracles.. he could walk straight out of those services he does with no prior prompting and go to the nearest person on the street with an ailment.. and heal them under God's authority straight off the bat. No faith required from them.. 100 percent healing of the ailment that is permanent. The only way they would have further problems in the same area or illness would be an injury or trauma to the same place that creates a new problem.

So yeah.. if Benny Boy could really heal all those people - he should be able to do it off the cuff with anyone, anywhere .. because that is real miraculous healing.

In regards to your finger... there is no way I can say it is for real or no because it is your own words. God can heal if He wants to though.. and sometimes requires nothing from the person to do it.. eg.. Lazarus.. and the way Jesus would find people with ailments and just heal them.
 
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Graybeard said:
I have just had an experience that I can'y explain as to why?
From time to time I get very painful in my left index finger joint, this has been occurring for a few years now. I have always suspected it to be early stages of arthritis.
I was sitting by my computer browsing Christian Chat when my wife asked me to make some tea (not in a demanding way for those who may think:)) so I made some tea, brought it to her and sat down, my finger was throbbing so I casually told her that my finger joint was very painful throughout the day and she replied...."arthritis?"
without a thought I answered "NO!, symptoms of it.....I won't except it is arthritis" and intermediately the pain just left, I stared at the finger, grabbed it with my other hand and bent it sideways..GONE..no pain! Praise God!

I have no doubt that The Lord healed it there and then but my question is:
Is there any healings/miracles in the Bible that happened without anyone asking or any prayer specifically for that ailment/sickness?
Do you think that the moment I audibly did not accept it that faith was manifested?
In other words..WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Please give opinions but scripture as always are good.
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Do you mean healing without desire for healing from the recepient (the cripple healed by Peter and John), healing without prayer by the recepient (anyone unconscious when healed), or healing when there is desire by no apparent prayer (Peter's shadow falling on the sick). Best I can do on a moment's notice.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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wattie said:
The trouble with Benny Boy- (Benny Hinn) :)


Real, biblical miracles and healings- are 100 percent healing, basically instant and permanent. These are real healings.. the birth of a child you could claim as a kind of a 'miracle' but it isn't a biblical one.. and there are numerous other examples of this too.

Anyway.. the trouble with Benny Boy is if he really had the gift of miracles.. he could walk straight out of those services he does with no prior prompting and go to the nearest person on the street with an ailment.. and heal them under God's authority straight off the bat. No faith required from them.. 100 percent healing of the ailment that is permanent. The only way they would have further problems in the same area or illness would be an injury or trauma to the same place that creates a new problem.

So yeah.. if Benny Boy could really heal all those people - he should be able to do it off the cuff with anyone, anywhere .. because that is real miraculous healing.

In regards to your finger... there is no way I can say it is for real or no because it is your own words. God can heal if He wants to though.. and sometimes requires nothing from the person to do it.. eg.. Lazarus.. and the way Jesus would find people with ailments and just heal them.
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Twice in two days I've heard his name. He would be happy-any publicity is good publicity. lol
 
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it is important thet you made the tea,, that is biblical

many years ago I remember wishing(not praying) that my divorced grandparents would get back together

eventually they did - I believe God heard me.

I have experienced the fulfillment other things I wanted; but it did not occur to me to specifically ask
 
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Graybeard

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Thaddaeus said:

you got your wife some tea , you stop what you were doing and became a servant to someone else , thats something nice.
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lol...okay

wattie said:
The trouble with Benny Boy- (Benny Hinn) :)
Real, biblical miracles and healings- are 100 percent healing, basically instant and permanent. These are real healings.. the birth of a child you could claim as a kind of a 'miracle' but it isn't a biblical one.. and there are numerous other examples of this too.
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yes..I agree

Anyway.. the trouble with Benny Boy is if he really had the gift of miracles.. he could walk straight out of those services he does with no prior prompting and go to the nearest person on the street with an ailment.. and heal them under God's authority straight off the bat. No faith required from them.. 100 percent healing of the ailment that is permanent. The only way they would have further problems in the same area or illness would be an injury or trauma to the same place that creates a new problem.

So yeah.. if Benny Boy could really heal all those people - he should be able to do it off the cuff with anyone, anywhere .. because that is real miraculous healing.
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not too sure what "Benny Boy" has got to do with this...:confused:

In regards to your finger... there is no way I can say it is for real or no because it is your own words. God can heal if He wants to though.. and sometimes requires nothing from the person to do it.. eg.. Lazarus.. and the way Jesus would find people with ailments and just heal them.
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That's okay, I'm not asking if God heals or trying to prove if God healed my finger, that is between God and me...I know that I know that I know....and that is sufficient for me:)
Lazarus is not the same, Jesus prayed specifically for him.

charisenexcelcis said:
Do you mean healing without desire for healing from the recepient (the cripple healed by Peter and John), healing without prayer by the recepient (anyone unconscious when healed), or healing when there is desire by no apparent prayer (Peter's shadow falling on the sick). Best I can do on a moment's notice.
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no, because the crippled healed through Peter and John was healed when they prayed for him.
anyone unconscious is prayed for by someone.
Peters shadow falling on the sick was done purposefully to heal the sick and the sick where laid purposefully to be healed.

I mean healing without desire for healing specifically for an ailment and without anyone specifically praying for the healing of that ailment
 
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greatkraw said:
it is important thet you made the tea,, that is biblical

many years ago I remember wishing(not praying) that my divorced grandparents would get back together

eventually they did - I believe God heard me.

I have experienced the fulfillment other things I wanted; but it did not occur to me to specifically ask
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lol...it was not the first time I had made tea by the way.
well, your wishing was actually a desire and God granted it
things you want are things you desire:)
 
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lol...it was not the first time I had made tea by the way.

HE-BREWS:)

well, your wishing was actually a desire and God granted it
things you want are things you desire:)
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the desires of my heart, yes you are right
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Graybeard said:
lol...okay


yes..I agree


not too sure what "Benny Boy" has got to do with this...:confused:


That's okay, I'm not asking if God heals or trying to prove if God healed my finger, that is between God and me...I know that I know that I know....and that is sufficient for me:)
Lazarus is not the same, Jesus prayed specifically for him.


no, because the crippled healed through Peter and John was healed when they prayed for him.
anyone unconscious is prayed for by someone.
Peters shadow falling on the sick was done purposefully to heal the sick and the sick where laid purposefully to be healed.

I mean healing without desire for healing specifically for an ailment and without anyone specifically praying for the healing of that ailment
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I suppose that happens, God is sovereign. I'm not sure that the person who neither asks, desires, or is prayed for is going to testify of the healing.
 
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I had an experience at work last Friday. I was at my machine doing my thing and I had a flash vision in this vision half my face was torn and my eyeball was hanging out of my head. I said to God "don't allow this to happen" and I was thinking about it for a little bit and said "I don't want to go through life with only one eye". Hours later at the very end of the night I was working with different machine and the last part the arm slammed down and took my glasses off. The thing would have ripped through my head, I didn't get a scratch.

The thing about this prayer is years ago I told God about something major in my life saying "don't allow this if it is bad for me" God answered that prayer and as a result I didn't get married I was so infuriated with God I screamed at Him for a week I yelled, even though I asked for God to keep me from what is bad for me and knew that God had what was best for me in mind. I knew when I said "God don't allow this" that the prayer would work for me.
 
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Hearing about healing without prayer is such a blessing to people. Why is it that with all my prayer, I can not get the healing that I so desperately need? I am so starting to lose hope. I have prayed and prayed. I have tried to follow the "rules" of prayer in not being reptitious, or praying for others to see, or doubting God, because one thing i know for SURE is that God can heal me and heals people every second. I have tried listening to the still small voice of God. I have tried letting my heart cry out to God since I sometimes can not form the words to speak to God, and still I feel no healing, Maybe the answer is no, I am not to be healed from this anxiety and depression. Does anyone know f that is possible? And how I will know if that is the answer?

Debbie
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Hearing about healing without prayer is such a blessing to people. Why is it that with all my prayer, I can not get the healing that I so desperately need? I am so starting to lose hope. I have prayed and prayed. I have tried to follow the "rules" of prayer in not being reptitious, or praying for others to see, or doubting God, because one thing i know for SURE is that God can heal me and heals people every second. I have tried listening to the still small voice of God. I have tried letting my heart cry out to God since I sometimes can not form the words to speak to God, and still I feel no healing, Maybe the answer is no, I am not to be healed from this anxiety and depression. Does anyone know f that is possible? And how I will know if that is the answer?

Debbie
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Well, all other issues aside (such as faith, self-infliction, etc), I have always had this philosophy: If it keeps me from my calling, God will heal or provide. If it helps me to my calling, may I never be "healed" (in this life).
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
I suppose that happens, God is sovereign. I'm not sure that the person who neither asks, desires, or is prayed for is going to testify of the healing.
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Why not?...I was healed by my Father in Heaven who for no reason I... myself...do not know as I had not specifically asked or thought/prayed for!!...what a Great Good God we serve!! I consider myself a child of God Almighty by faith because The Word says so and if He so happens to out of the blue heal me albeit a little throbbing finger...who else can it be? ...the devil....a deceiving spirit?...I have one answer for that:
HA HA I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and all things work for the good to those that love the Lord.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Graybeard said:
Why not?...I was healed by my Father in Heaven who for no reason I... myself...do not know as I had not specifically asked or thought/prayed for!!...what a Great Good God we serve!! I consider myself a child of God Almighty by faith because The Word says so and if He so happens to out of the blue heal me albeit a little throbbing finger...who else can it be? ...the devil....a deceiving spirit?...I have one answer for that:
HA HA I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and all things work for the good to those that love the Lord.
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Can you really say you did not desire to be healed. Didn't you answer that you didn't have arthritis?
 
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greatkraw

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Debbie is talking about an emotional healing, not a physical

my friend has GAD

the cause is psychological

the symptoms are physical

I think she still does not understand that the cure will be spiritual

she says she cannot let go and let God - to me this means she does not trust God
 
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