The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law.

[Scuba]

The Law on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law. Listen.

The Law written on tablets of stone.

Exodus 24:12 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”

The Law written on tablets of stone.

Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The Law written on tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

The Law not written on tablets of stone, but rather, now written on the heart.

2 Corinthians 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The Law on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law.

 

[crossnote]

Try another verse.

2Cor 3:3 says nothing about the law. It says you are an EPISTLE of Christ, ministered by the apostles, written by the Holy Spirit on the heart...nothing about the Law.

 

[gotime]

Try another verse.

2Cor 3:3 says nothing about the law. It says you are an EPISTLE of Christ, ministered by the apostles, written by the Holy Spirit on the heart...nothing about the Law.

notice the words "not on tables of stone".

What was written on tables of stone? The 10 commandments/the law.

but the law on stone only brought death because we are sinners breaking it. but if that same law is written on our hearts.

what does God write on our hearts in the new covenant?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

notice the "Law is written on our "hearts".

The law on the heart is a clean and new heart that obeys Gods law perfectly because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

as it is written:

Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

this is the power of God in Christ Jesus who died for our sins.

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

God gives us a new heart with the law written on it and the Holy Spirit which causes us to keep his laws. praise His name, this is imputed righteousness. The free gift of God in Christ. True freedom from sin. this is not in mans power to do, but by faith we may all claim in the name of Jesus this new heart which enables us to obey perfectly Gods law.

 

[4enlightment]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

The Laws were summed up which means the main purpose of the laws were that we are to show the things that are consist of showing love to one another. But we had taken it way out of context and started judging one another for not taken it literally.

 

[crossnote]

I was just pointing out to Scuba that 2Cor 3:3 is not the goto verse.
Heb 8:10 and Jer 31 are addressed to Israel and Judah.

 

[posthuman]

try this one:

For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God,
but the doers of the law who will be justified.
For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires,
they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,
while their conscience also bears witness,
and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
on that day when, according to my gospel,
God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

(Romans 2:13-16)

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[JaumeJ]

When we are taught that faith establishes the law one must keep in mind our faith comes with mercy, the mercy of the Blood of Yeshua.

Of course the laws of the Ten are written on stone, there is not yet faith there, nor mercy for we have nor received Yeshua.

When we repent and come to know mercy, that faith coming with it establishes the Commandments on our hearts, never again to be without mercy.

The difference between stone and the heart, cold and without mercy and mercy because of faith and the mercy we have received.

Do not teach against the Commandments of the Lord, it is spiritually unhealthy. Praise Yahweh.....

 

[gotime]

I was just pointing out to Scuba that 2Cor 3:3 is not the goto verse.
Heb 8:10 and Jer 31 are addressed to Israel and Judah.

sorry I misunderstood you.

As to Hebrews 8 and jer 31 I agree, all who have faith in Jesus are Israel. never was a bout the flesh.

 

[RedTent]

notice the words "not on tables of stone".

What was written on tables of stone? The 10 commandments/the law.

but the law on stone only brought death because we are sinners breaking it. but if that same law is written on our hearts.

what does God write on our hearts in the new covenant?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

notice the "Law is written on our "hearts".

The law on the heart is a clean and new heart that obeys Gods law perfectly because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

as it is written:

Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

this is the power of God in Christ Jesus who died for our sins.

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

God gives us a new heart with the law written on it and the Holy Spirit which causes us to keep his laws. praise His name, this is imputed righteousness. The free gift of God in Christ. True freedom from sin. this is not in mans power to do, but by faith we may all claim in the name of Jesus this new heart which enables us to obey perfectly Gods law.

If the same law that was written on stone is written on our hearts, and that law only brought death because we are sinners, are you saying we should have nothing to do with the law in our hearts or on stone being they are the same and bring death?

 

[gotime]

If the same law that was written on stone is written on our hearts, and that law only brought death because we are sinners, are you saying we should have nothing to do with the law in our hearts or on stone being they are the same and bring death?

no that is not what I am saying. only the law on stone brought death, because I sinned and broke it. Law written on stone can do nothing for me but condemn me if I sin which all have done.

But Jesus died for my sin and then He writes that same law in my heart, this means I have anew heart that keeps his law. The law condemns those who break it not those who keep it. Only by grace through Faith can we have the law on our hearts. Thus the law of condemnation becomes the law of liberty to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Without Christ we can not keep the law. in Christ all thins are possible. Jesus died to take away my sins and give my a heart that would keep his law.

Deu_5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

through Jesus and his death and resurrection We by Faith may have this new heart.

 

[RedTent]

no that is not what I am saying. only the law on stone brought death, because I sinned and broke it. Law written on stone can do nothing for me but condemn me if I sin which all have done.

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If the law on stone and the law in our hearts are the same, how could only the law on stone bring death, but if the same law is in our hearts it will not bring death?

 

[pickles]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

Ive been reading these debates for some time, and praying alot about it too. Needed to.
Mostly because, it seems to bring so much debate, and saddly confusion for many.
It was something I recently read, that Paul said that brought clarity.
That the law was for the lawless.
Then it became clear, for the law was made for those who were not in Jesus.
Simply because they needed something to know what sin is, and that which could bring conviction, condemnation.
Conviction so we would come to Jesus in faith.
But we , who by faith, are in Jesus no longer need the law, because by faith, we are under grace, not condemnation.
Also, because His spirit is alive in us, will bring to compleation the good work begun.
Tha law was made for when man lived in flesh.
Grace removes the condemnation of the law, and Jesus brings in us, because of our love and life in Him, rightousness.
Its not that one in Jesus is with out the law, but one in Jesus lives what the law was made to perfect, to bring one to.

In Jesus, God bless
pickles

 

[JaumeJ]

Hello L... I believe this is addressed in my post above, 7. When the laws were engraved in stone, there was no mercy for the true nature of the law was not yet revealed. When we repent we receive faith and mercy, and the law is inscribed on our hearts with faith and mercy.

According to the law on stone there came punishments with it, even death. According to the same laws written on our hearts, faith and mercy dictate that the punishments are not to be observed. I know in my heart, soul and mind that Jesus wants us to show mercy where the law would not, thus the curse of the law is nil with we who believe Yeshua.

Now we are free to obey the law in faith and mercy without fear of reprisals should we slip up, and we all do, be it in action or mind, we do. Praise our Salvation, Yeshua, amen.

Keep in mind, Yahweh declared in Ezekiel that He gave laws that were bad, that should not be followed because the Children of Israel were so hard headed.. Mercy screams which are not to be obeyed, while geography tells us some cannot, etc............ After we receive mercy the laws become uncommon common sense. I say uncommon because we must all study them and consult them when need be.

If the same law that was written on stone is written on our hearts, and that law only brought death because we are sinners, are you saying we should have nothing to do with the law in our hearts or on stone being they are the same and bring death?

 

[gotime]

If the law on stone and the law in our hearts are the same, how could only the law on stone bring death, but if the same law is in our hearts it will not bring death?

the answer is in the why, why does the law on stone bring death?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

the law is not sin but points out sin.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

notice that the law could not save us why? because it was weak through the flesh. So we are the problem not the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

So the issue is with us being sinners, thus the good law shows us to be sinners thus condemning us. The law itself is not bad.

So The law on stone is outside of me. its just writing that condemns sinners. this does not help me except to realize that I am due for death and need a savior.

But if the law is in me on my heart then Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. so if the law is in our heart then it is part of us, we are enabled by the new heart to keep the law. The law does not condemn those who keep it. So thus in the heart it becomes the law of liberty.

Old heart sinned and thus condemned.

New heart has the law and thus liberty from sin.

Jesus died to take care of our sins which we have committed giving us a new and clean slate. Then bye the power of The Spirit we are given new hearts that delight in the law of God and are enabled to obey fully. No more sin in our lives.

If being sinners is slaver then freedom is being obedient. We need a new heart from God for that and He has promised exactly that.

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

But God says:

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Thus only by faith in Christ and his promise are we saved and the law that once condemned us is now the law of liberty. not of works but of Faith in Jesus.

 

[Hoffco]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

If the law on stone and the law in our hearts are the same, how could only the law on stone bring death, but if the same law is in our hearts it will not bring death?

Why are you so confused? Do you not understand what the new birth is? I'm sorry to say, it has to be your rebellion against God's New Testament. You will not learn the supremacy of the new Testament teaching. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

to gotime, we must never call the moral law ,the law of liberty, The moral law is still as strict as ever, and they in the O.T. were forgiven by their faith in God and by in their offering of the sacrifice required. O.T. is full, of Mercy for salvation to sinners who repent. The law of liberty allows us to eat pork, drink wine and go to movies, have a TV. in our homes, etc. ; these things are not covered in the ten com.. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[gotime]

to gotime, we must never call the moral law ,the law of liberty, The moral law is still as strict as ever, and they in the O.T. were forgiven by their faith in God and by in their offering of the sacrifice required. O.T. is full, of Mercy for salvation to sinners who repent. The law of liberty allows us to eat pork, drink wine and go to movies, have a TV. in our homes, etc. ; these things are not covered in the ten com.. Love to all, Hoffco

I disagree the law of liberty is this:

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

what word is it that God has implanted in us to save our souls.

Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

notice that those who do not do the word are like those who look into a mirror, the mirror shows them what they are. what did God give us to show we are sinners?

The law which makes known sin. so the word is the law here as David said in Psalm 119.

Psa_119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Remember what James said this word is implanted. so the law is implanted thus the law is written on our hearts.

Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Then James names this law as:

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

so the word is the law here also according to James. But to be clear what law is it?

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Here James quotes the 10 commandments and says that if we commit sin then we are transgressors which we souls know if we look into it. and it is this law that James says is the law of liberty, as he concludes his reason for bringing up the law.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Thus the law of liberty is clearly the 10 commandments implanted.

 

[enlightener]

THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT Gods law the peoples law and self moral laws ten commandments government law and the knowledge of good and evil we got in the garden is the laws of the conscience.

 

[enlightener]

THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT Gods law the peoples law and self moral laws ten commandments government law and the knowledge of good and evil we got in the garden is the laws of the conscience.

 

[enlightener]

the engrafted word is the code in the kjv bible that hides the truth and without it confusion and doubt.