The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law.

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notice the words "not on tables of stone".

What was written on tables of stone? The 10 commandments/the law.

but the law on stone only brought death because we are sinners breaking it. but if that same law is written on our hearts.

what does God write on our hearts in the new covenant?

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

notice the "Law is written on our "hearts".

The law on the heart is a clean and new heart that obeys Gods law perfectly because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

as it is written:

Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

this is the power of God in Christ Jesus who died for our sins.

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

God gives us a new heart with the law written on it and the Holy Spirit which causes us to keep his laws. praise His name, this is imputed righteousness. The free gift of God in Christ. True freedom from sin. this is not in mans power to do, but by faith we may all claim in the name of Jesus this new heart which enables us to obey perfectly Gods law.
Very nicely laid out and smooth...:cool:
 
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4enlightenment you are on the right track. immoral person could of not have came to that conclusion. I would like to here more. The Days of Enlightenment are upon us. but you only got part of the lesson being taught
 

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Try another verse.

2Cor 3:3 says nothing about the law. It says you are an EPISTLE of Christ, ministered by the apostles, written by the Holy Spirit on the heart...nothing about the Law.
How about this one?

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

or this one?

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now let me quote the most unpopular voice in the New Testament...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Many love to quote Paul out of context when it seems he is speaking against the Law (in fact he supports the Law) yet hardly any quote the One Christianity is supposed to be all about.
 

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I was just pointing out to Scuba that 2Cor 3:3 is not the goto verse.
Heb 8:10 and Jer 31 are addressed to Israel and Judah.
And just to whom is the New Covenant made?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
 

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try this one:

For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God,
but the doers of the law who will be justified.
For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires,
they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,
while their conscience also bears witness,
and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
on that day when, according to my gospel,
God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.


(Romans 2:13-16)

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May I add to this?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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If the law on stone and the law in our hearts are the same, how could only the law on stone bring death, but if the same law is in our hearts it will not bring death?
The Law on stone influenced the outward behavior of spiritually dead people through fear of punishment. The motive for following the principles of love and righteousness was fear but that's not what God is looking for in His people. He wants His people to see value in the principles of love and righteousness and follow them because they are loving and righteous, not because you're afraid of being punished if you don't. In order for this to happen God must change our nature. He must cleans us of all the affects of the old way of living and put a new spirit in us. This clean person with a new way of thinking will be empowered by God Himself. The Law written on the heart means our obedience is coming from an inward motive because we love and value for the goodness of creation. This leads to obedience from the heart.

Ephesians 6:6 not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

Obedience from the heart is the same as the Law written on the heart.
 
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Ive been reading these debates for some time, and praying alot about it too. Needed to. :)
Mostly because, it seems to bring so much debate, and saddly confusion for many.
It was something I recently read, that Paul said that brought clarity.
That the law was for the lawless.
Then it became clear, for the law was made for those who were not in Jesus.
Simply because they needed something to know what sin is, and that which could bring conviction, condemnation.
Conviction so we would come to Jesus in faith.
But we , who by faith, are in Jesus no longer need the law, because by faith, we are under grace, not condemnation.
Also, because His spirit is alive in us, will bring to compleation the good work begun.
I would ask a question of you, has the definition of sin changed for those who are converted?

Tha law was made for when man lived in flesh.
Grace removes the condemnation of the law, and Jesus brings in us, because of our love and life in Him, rightousness.
Its not that one in Jesus is with out the law, but one in Jesus lives what the law was made to perfect, to bring one to.

In Jesus, God bless
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If grace removes the condemnation of the Law, then are we free from obeying the Law?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin, very simply, is breaking the Law, so does grace and faith abolish the Law?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Or rather, does God write His Law on our hearts and minds so we can obey the Law?
 

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to gotime, we must never call the moral law ,the law of liberty, The moral law is still as strict as ever, and they in the O.T. were forgiven by their faith in God and by in their offering of the sacrifice required. O.T. is full, of Mercy for salvation to sinners who repent. The law of liberty allows us to eat pork, drink wine and go to movies, have a TV. in our homes, etc. ; these things are not covered in the ten com.. Love to all, Hoffco
I disagree also and again quote the most unpopular Voice of the New Testament...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
 

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THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT Gods law the peoples law and self moral laws ten commandments government law and the knowledge of good and evil we got in the garden is the laws of the conscience.
Christ is pretty confused isn't He? He gave a Law to Adam, another to Abraham, a different one to Israel and then something totally different for the New Testament church.

You really believe Christ is that inconsistent and incompetent?

Personally, I think He got it right the first time.
 

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Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same


Joh 14:26


But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
 
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to gotime, we must never call the moral law ,the law of liberty,
God looks at the things we do in His creation and labels them by their effects. The Law of liberty is referring to the effect God's Law will have on the life of the one living by them. Sin brings sickness, hardship, suffering and death. Sin is the transgression of the Law. When the Law is followed for the right reason much of the world will be free from sickness, hardship, suffering and death of which brings bondage not abundant life.

Look at it this way.

Will sitting around all day and everyday eating unhealthy food and not exercising bring liberty and abundant life or will taking care of our body and eating right bring liberty and abundant life?

Is this guy free or in bondage?

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Did you know that every sin and crime committed in the world has it root in God's Law?

Are these people free because they obeyed God's Law of bondage?

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God's Law is most surly the Law of liberty once you understand the effects of it.





 

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Keep in mind, Yahweh declared in Ezekiel that He gave laws that were bad, that should not be followed because the Children of Israel were so hard headed..


let's have a look at this closely, with some context, because there are some very serious implications if God Himself gave commandments which ought not be obeyed:

15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16 because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. 17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness. 18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the Lord your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 and hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name’s sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols. 25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; 26 and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

27 Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me. 28 For when I had brought them into the land, for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings. 29 Then I said unto them, What is the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day. 30 Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations? 31 For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? AsI live, saith the Lord God, I will not be enquired of by you. 32 And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.


(Ezekiel 20:15-32, ESV)

now when i read this, i see that God through His prophet is chastising Israel for not following His commands, and for polluting His sabbaths. (verses 1-14 are similar to 15-21 -- He also chastises them for forsaking His law and His rest).
now any reading of the prophets and of the Torah makes it clear that God esteems His law very highly. see how highly honored the law is to David, the man after God's own heart, in Psalm 119. see how here in Ezekiel the argument God has against His people is that they forsook His law. see how He says if anyone keeps His law, it is life.
so there is a very sharp contrast with the rest of the Bible if God indeed gave commands that make a people desolate, and judgments that brought only death.

verses 25-26 is the specific passage referred to here:

Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

"wherefore" indicates this is something the Lord did "because" of something else. because of what? because (v.24) they rejected His judement, His statutes, and polluted His rest.

what statutes are referred to as "not good" and what judgments (contrary to the rest of the chapter, and the rest of the whole Bible) were not 'to live by' ? verse 26: making their firstborns pass through the fire. see again in verse 31.

now what does "making your sons pass through the fire" remind you of?
Molech worship.
And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God:
I am the LORD.

(Leviticus 18:21, KJV)

now either there is a serious contradiction in the laws of God, or we are not interpreting this prophet correctly, because the Torah specifically forbids the "law" referred to here. yes, God's law calls this practice 'bad.' how then could God have given them this as a commandment, both not to do, and to do?

here is some insight:

Hear, O my people, while I admonish you!
O Israel, if you would but listen to me!
There shall be no strange god among you;
you shall not bow down to a foreign god.
I am the LORD your God,
who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.
Open your mouth wide, and I will fill it.But my people did not listen to my voice;
Israel would not submit to me.
So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts,
to follow their own counsels.

(Psalm 81:8-12, ESV)

God gave them over to the abominable worship of the nations around them.
we're not talking about the law of God here in Ezekiel 20:25-26, we're talking about the laws of Ba'al, and Asherah, and Molech. the laws of the idolatry that Israel ran after.
God did not command the people to make their children pass through the fire; Molech did.
because the people rejected God, He gave them over to the wickedness they had desired, and it was that law of wickedness that they could not live by, and which made them desolate, and the contrast is whereby they should know that the LORD is God!

isn't it also written in Jeremiah, that the people followed prophets of strange gods, and that many false prophets were in the land saying 'the Lord says this..' when the Lord had not said it? that while the book of the law was lost, even the priests and the scribes did not know God, nor sought Him, but had "lying pens" ?


now back on topic -- the law written in men's hearts -- compare this:

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God,
God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

(Romans 1:28, ESV)

those that reject God, and reject the law of Christ, God also gives over in their hearts to false law, for their own destruction, that the Truth be made manifest and plain.

isn't this also what Paul meant when he said of men among the believers, who reject the truth:

you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

(1 Corinthians 5:5)

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if we will not receive the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, we will be given over to a law and ministration of destruction, even in our hearts, so that sin will become mature and bear it's fruit of death, and the soul may be purged, and the true law of Life may be glorified.

when the tares are fully grown, they are easily separated from the wheat, but if you try to uproot them while they are seedlings, you may also destroy the good crop with the bad. (Matthew 13:24-30)


this is how i understand this passage. i know it is a controversial one, and i don't get this from reading what other men wrote - but from reading the scriptures and asking for understanding.


 

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When we come to know Jesus, Yeshua, He teaches us that it is alright to show mercy instead of the law of punishement with the woman caught in adultery. And so it is with all the laws for execution, and other serious punishments. All of those are bad laws as far as my understanding will take me. If I ask for mercy, I must always show mercy, even at my own expense. I believe this is true for all who follow Yeshua, Jesus.

Again the word for statute from the Hebrew also means ordinan ce, law and more. My being correct or incorrect on these points may cause joy or tears come our Lord's return, but what I believe in this regard will not harm my walk with Yeshua. I do blieve this is part of what was being said.

It seems to have similar sense as what I posted earlier about the Ten Commandments. here below:

I believe this is addressed in my post above, 7. When the laws were engraved in stone, there was no mercy for the true nature of the law was not yet revealed. When we repent we receive faith and mercy, and the law is inscribed on our hearts with faith and mercy.

According to the law on stone there came punishments with it, even death. According to the same laws written on our hearts, faith and mercy dictate that the punishments are not to be observed. I know in my heart, soul and mind that Jesus wants us to show mercy where the law would not, thus the curse of the law is nil with we who believe Yeshua.

Now we are free to obey the law in faith and mercy without fear of reprisals should we slip up, and we all do, be it in action or mind, we do. Praise our Salvation, Yeshua, amen.

Keep in mind, Yahweh declared in Ezekiel that He gave laws that were bad, that should not be followed because the Children of Israel were so hard headed.. Mercy screams which are not to be obeyed, while geography tells us some cannot, etc............ After we receive mercy the laws become uncommon common sense. I say uncommon because we must all study them and consult them when need be.
 
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PS to 33...... If we think on how the law is completed by the Blood of the Lamb of God, and how the law previously had a built in curse, punishment and death, it is almost sure that the quote from Ezekiel is making reference to the laws of punishment. At least it seems clear to me. Perhaps others know something I am not understanding, but I have a clear conscience in this understanding, for it magnifies the mercy and grace of Yahweh.
 

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Keep in mind, Yahweh declared in Ezekiel that He gave laws that were bad, that should not be followed because the Children of Israel were so hard headed..

please consider:

The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.

(Psalm 19:7)

and the entirety of Psalm 119,

and read post #32 --- if the scriptures say the law is perfect, how is it also corrupt and untrustworthy? did Christ fulfill "bad commandments" or only part of the law ?

didn't He also bear the just punishment when He took on our sins? if blood was not required for remission of sins, why was His blood poured out for us?
 

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maybe i am confused. i don't mean to argue with you JaumeJ -- i respect you and the Truth we both look for.
:)

i just have to reconcile in my mind how God, whose ways are all righteous, could give evil commands. i think what Ezekiel was talking about is the idolatry God gave the Israelites over to, and that there is a parallel in people's hearts today, where those that reject Christ are given over to their own deception.
 

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I have never thought the Law to be untrustworthy or corrupt. Yeshua exposed for all that the law without mercy has a curse. Now, one may say if it contains a curse, it is corrupt and untrustworthy, but it is that curse that brings many to the Cross. If it indeed contains a curse, without mercy, then what I understand is not in any manner opposed to the perfection of the Law. Psalm 119 is wonderful, the Law is wonderful for it instructs to wisdom, and with the mercy given by Yeshua by His life, suffering and crucifixion, we understand that laws overlooking mercy are bad, for they are the ones composing punishement and death as a result of breaking the ones with that punishement. Breaking a law is sin, but we need not fear the laws of punishment because we are in grace because of Yeshua. Jesus teaches us this by His own actions. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. It is so wonderful. We now obey by nature, and this is our due, and it is wonderful.
 

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1 Timothy 1:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Love out of a pure heart. A good conscience. Faith unfeigned.

These are some of the things written on our hearts. Not actual words of the law. Love keeps all the law written on stone. That's because Love is the Law. The law written on stone is just the description of this love in action, which can't be kept by the will of fleshly men. It can only be kept by the Holy Spirit because it is the actual description of what the Holy Spirit does (and does not do).

That is why we need our Saviour and why the Law condemns. We can't do the work that the Holy Spirit does just by willing ourselves to keep the law. We can only do the work that the Holy Spirit does when we have faith in Christ that He is growing this Holy Spirit in us.

No one can understand this until they come to Christ and they see what Christ's work does for them compared to what their own works did for theirselves. Which is also the reason why we don't go back to our own work after coming to Christ. It is an on-going growth, trust, and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and in Christ alone.
 

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Now I now the sentiment is not one sided. Everyone who loves Yeshua by whatever name they prefer, is family, and my only love is our Savior, and because of this the last thing I want to do is be an offense to any family member. I have not taken your posting as argumentative, and I know most people, even family in Yeshua, may not be in agreement, so I cannot fault anyone for wondering about this, but I truly believe this is the case about the declaration in Ezekiel. I do not intend to "enforce" this on anyone,not that I could, but this is truly how I believe this is. It may be a tear come the Day of the Lord, and it may be just one more joy. Yahweh bless you and hold you close forever, amen........if I do not see you here, I will see you there.

maybe i am confused. i don't mean to argue with you JaumeJ -- i respect you and the Truth we both look for.
:)

i just have to reconcile in my mind how God, whose ways are all righteous, could give evil commands. i think what Ezekiel was talking about is the idolatry God gave the Israelites over to, and that there is a parallel in people's hearts today, where those that reject Christ are given over to their own deception.
 

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1 Timothy 1:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Love out of a pure heart. A good conscience. Faith unfeigned.

These are some of the things written on our hearts. Not actual words of the law. Love keeps all the law written on stone. That's because Love is the Law. The law written on stone is just the description of this love in action, which can't be kept by the will of fleshly men. It can only be kept by the Holy Spirit because it is the actual description of what the Holy Spirit does (and does not do).

That is why we need our Saviour and why the Law condemns. We can't do the work that the Holy Spirit does just by willing ourselves to keep the law. We can only do the work that the Holy Spirit does when we have faith in Christ that He is growing this Holy Spirit in us.

No one can understand this until they come to Christ and they see what Christ's work does for them compared to what their own works did for theirselves. Which is also the reason why we don't go back to our own work after coming to Christ. It is an on-going growth, trust, and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and in Christ alone.
So what does the word end here mean?

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

So the result or conclusion of the Law or obedience to the Law is a pure heart, a good conscience and sincere faith.

Same word is used here...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

and it is used here...

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

and here...

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Now, do you want to tell me that the word end (G5056; telos) means the cease to exist? Or does it mean the result?