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Arminianism is very unscriptural,
and is based on a certain philosophy
which is saying that God must do what humans think a good God should do.
It puts man's idea of 'fairness' above what God clearly states in Scripture,
and puts man's freewill above and in front of God's sovereignty, placing man in control rather than God.
Calvinism can be taken to extremes, but the basic premises are solidly Biblical.
If you take it too far, man is no longer responsible for his own actions,
which is clearly against Scripture.
Chances are, you are one or the other. If you feel 'in-between' or 'neither', then likely you either don't truly understand the positions of each,
or you are a moderate in one of the camps. There aren't really any other possible definitions for God's election of the saints.
Either you hold man's freewill above God's Sovereignty,
or you hold that God's Sovereignty is above man's freewill.
As long as your conclusion is that God is sovereign over all, and man is responsible for his own sin,
then you have a Scriptural perspective.
and is based on a certain philosophy
which is saying that God must do what humans think a good God should do.
It puts man's idea of 'fairness' above what God clearly states in Scripture,
and puts man's freewill above and in front of God's sovereignty, placing man in control rather than God.
Calvinism can be taken to extremes, but the basic premises are solidly Biblical.
If you take it too far, man is no longer responsible for his own actions,
which is clearly against Scripture.
Chances are, you are one or the other. If you feel 'in-between' or 'neither', then likely you either don't truly understand the positions of each,
or you are a moderate in one of the camps. There aren't really any other possible definitions for God's election of the saints.
Either you hold man's freewill above God's Sovereignty,
or you hold that God's Sovereignty is above man's freewill.
As long as your conclusion is that God is sovereign over all, and man is responsible for his own sin,
then you have a Scriptural perspective.
yeah, it is dangerous because some unbelievers are told by their parents that they are chosen,
so they don't ever even seek God, because mommy said that they were already saved, and secure.
It's not about the sin. It's about the lack of faith.
True faith always grows up into faithfulness.
That's why James says "I will show you my faith by my deeds"
Also, you can't have faith in someone you don't know. You have to have a relationship with Christ.
so they don't ever even seek God, because mommy said that they were already saved, and secure.
It's not about the sin. It's about the lack of faith.
True faith always grows up into faithfulness.
That's why James says "I will show you my faith by my deeds"
Also, you can't have faith in someone you don't know. You have to have a relationship with Christ.
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Ok, so from what I read here..............
1) If one believes in Free Will, their beliefs are "very unscriptural," and based on a philosophy of man...........
2) If one goes with Calvin, as long as they don't take it "to extremes," then their "basic premises are solidly Biblical."
Well, no bias there!
..............goodness.............sigh...........
1) If one believes in Free Will, their beliefs are "very unscriptural," and based on a philosophy of man...........
2) If one goes with Calvin, as long as they don't take it "to extremes," then their "basic premises are solidly Biblical."
Well, no bias there!
..............goodness.............sigh...........
Ok, so from what I read here..............
1) If one believes in Free Will, their beliefs are "very unscriptural," and based on a philosophy of man...........
2) If one goes with Calvin, as long as they don't take it "to extremes," then their "basic premises are solidly Biblical."
Well, no bias there!
..............goodness.............sigh...........
1) If one believes in Free Will, their beliefs are "very unscriptural," and based on a philosophy of man...........
2) If one goes with Calvin, as long as they don't take it "to extremes," then their "basic premises are solidly Biblical."
Well, no bias there!
..............goodness.............sigh...........
The idea of willpower is very present in Scripture.
I suppose it's just when you take the idea of willpower/freewill to the extreme, then you fall from what the Bible says.
I wasn't raised a calvinist.
My 'bias' is from study, so it's not really bias.
It's a conclusion.
Free will is certainly the "issue" when you state that it is unscriptural.........and simply a philosophy of man..........
BTW........Calvinism...........Predestination...........IS ALSO a philosophy of man.......that man would be Calvin himself.
And stating that "bias" is not "bias" because it is a conclusion makes no sense........especially if one discounts one side of an issue while upholding the other as "Biblically sound."
My belief in free will is also a "conclusion reached from the study of God's Word." And it is Biblically sound. Calvinism, on the other hand, is not Biblically sound, but simply a philosophy of man. And, in saying that, by your standard, neither am I showing "bias."
BTW........Calvinism...........Predestination...........IS ALSO a philosophy of man.......that man would be Calvin himself.
And stating that "bias" is not "bias" because it is a conclusion makes no sense........especially if one discounts one side of an issue while upholding the other as "Biblically sound."
My belief in free will is also a "conclusion reached from the study of God's Word." And it is Biblically sound. Calvinism, on the other hand, is not Biblically sound, but simply a philosophy of man. And, in saying that, by your standard, neither am I showing "bias."
I find it odd that you immediately got offended by my responses. I was not trying to be aggressive.
Is there some past argument between us that put you immediately on the offensive?
Predestination is not philosophy. It is clear and clearly all over Scripture.
How can you think that predestination is not Truth, when the very word is used many times, and many more if you include it's other forms. There is no way to go through even the Gospels without running into election and predestination over and over again as topics and discourses. Look at John 6, and try to tell me that God does not predestine those who are His.
I already told you that I am not debating against free will.
However, I am stating that man's free will is not the basis for his salvation.
Free will is ALWAYS the reason for a person's lack of salvation. In our free will, we CHOOSE to sin, and choose Hell.
All humans freely choose Hell. No one does good. No one chooses Heaven.... but by the grace of God, He grants faith to the Remnant, and saves us from sin. We are reborn, with a new will: God's Will set on our hearts.
People give Calvin too much credit.
Is there some past argument between us that put you immediately on the offensive?
Predestination is not philosophy. It is clear and clearly all over Scripture.
How can you think that predestination is not Truth, when the very word is used many times, and many more if you include it's other forms. There is no way to go through even the Gospels without running into election and predestination over and over again as topics and discourses. Look at John 6, and try to tell me that God does not predestine those who are His.
I already told you that I am not debating against free will.
However, I am stating that man's free will is not the basis for his salvation.
Free will is ALWAYS the reason for a person's lack of salvation. In our free will, we CHOOSE to sin, and choose Hell.
All humans freely choose Hell. No one does good. No one chooses Heaven.... but by the grace of God, He grants faith to the Remnant, and saves us from sin. We are reborn, with a new will: God's Will set on our hearts.
People give Calvin too much credit.
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We shouldnt be anything
Christianity came from the dark ages from a church that had 100% error in evvery doctrine, luther and calvin read the Bible and found some majore truth changes
each successive improvement developed over time
as they progressed they found more and more Bible truths.
eventually the seventh day baptists found the truth on the sabbath
but each have their deficiencies
people stuck with their religions because their grandfathers were of that religion so some became stuck i the mire at lutheran levels, calvin levels baptist levels and adventist levels none went on to complete bible belief which is what the 144,000 will be
the last church will follow the commandments and the whole Bible (except no sacrifices or circumcision since that is clearly not needed since the blood of Jesus covers these things
so whatever you are, your still confused a bit
Jesus says to all his people come OUT of her and her babylonian confused doctrines (some more than others) read the bible
be born again
follow the word of God
and when 144,000 of them follow the whole Bible Jesus returns.
Christianity came from the dark ages from a church that had 100% error in evvery doctrine, luther and calvin read the Bible and found some majore truth changes
each successive improvement developed over time
as they progressed they found more and more Bible truths.
eventually the seventh day baptists found the truth on the sabbath
but each have their deficiencies
people stuck with their religions because their grandfathers were of that religion so some became stuck i the mire at lutheran levels, calvin levels baptist levels and adventist levels none went on to complete bible belief which is what the 144,000 will be
the last church will follow the commandments and the whole Bible (except no sacrifices or circumcision since that is clearly not needed since the blood of Jesus covers these things
so whatever you are, your still confused a bit
Jesus says to all his people come OUT of her and her babylonian confused doctrines (some more than others) read the bible
be born again
follow the word of God
and when 144,000 of them follow the whole Bible Jesus returns.
I agree. With all the wonderful studies we can do to better understand God's word, and the time it all takes, who has time to waste going into the doctrines of men? It is only for those who do not love the Lord.
Today, I have explored why the Lord gave us the feasts to celebrate and what each meant. I have explored scripture about the Mosaic Law, what is it why did the Lord give it? What is the Sabbath as God tells us, and what is it for? Not by a verse or two, but the entire bible. Are the Sacraments used for atonement related to the blood of Christ, and how? Exactly what did Christ replace, and how are they related? I could go on and on. Scripture tells me, but doctrines tell me nothing.
Today, I have explored why the Lord gave us the feasts to celebrate and what each meant. I have explored scripture about the Mosaic Law, what is it why did the Lord give it? What is the Sabbath as God tells us, and what is it for? Not by a verse or two, but the entire bible. Are the Sacraments used for atonement related to the blood of Christ, and how? Exactly what did Christ replace, and how are they related? I could go on and on. Scripture tells me, but doctrines tell me nothing.